UN Inspections

[HeavyStick]

ok.... the time is drawing near, GW is bent on ousting Saddam and getting rid of Weapons of Mass Destruction. Sept 12th GW addresses the UN. Much speculation is going around to what he'll say or ask.

Britain is committed to helping.

Australia will help when proof is shown.

Despite what some people think, there are many allies willing to help when prrof is shown.



My opinion:

Use UN weapon inspectors, give them satellite phones and the moment they are delayed they call 1-800-AIR-STRIKE if Saddam has nothing to hide, why keep people waiting? (but bomb only that facility)

I say go ahead with unadulterated access by UN weapon inspectors. when that fails, he's hiding something and bomb what he prevents immediate access to.

He cannot be allowed to protect himself with weapons that the rest of the world are destroying and dismantling.

Your thoughts...opinions....

 

[HeavyStick]

*bump to get rid of the asshole with the long name*

 

[fgarvb1]

Given his past history,why wait? Or rather why not bomb everywhere some might be? if he happends to be there...well.

 

[Ishmael]

Unconditional inspections. OK, I'd go for it. Maybe.

There is photo evidence that he's deployed multiple mobile bio/chem labs. They've been caught on satelite photo's a couple of times.

Fixed facilities are easy, mobile facilities are like the old shell game. Have to find them. Using satelite imagery to locate them just won't work. Although we can read a license plate or a newspaper from 200 miles in space, the fact is you have to know where to look. You can't just take a wide angle of the whole country and then zoom in.

About the only facilites we could pinpoint with a good deal of certainty would be those dedicated to nuclear developement and he could play with that to a certain extent too.

My thought's are the same as before. Go in and get it over with.

Ishmael

 

[HeavyStick]

The satelite imagery you speak of... is it UN provided? they have taken a very big interest in this since the inspectors have last been there.

 

[JazzManJim]

Despite what some people think, there are many allies willing to help when prrof is shown.

I don't understand this at all.

What more proof does anyone need? Haven't they seen the photographs? Haven't they heard directly from the mouths of the defectors?

Did they not see the razed villages and the gassed civilians over the last ten years? Didn't they read the UN's own inspection reports?

I've seen all of that and I'm not the leader of any country.

Maybe, perchance they'd like to see a few more thousand dead around here. Perhaps that'll help make up their minds.

But no, it's not really their country. Why the hell should they care, really?

 

[Lancecastor]

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Could you arrange for the Citibank Visa building to be blown up instead of Iraq, please?

I'm over my limit again and I need to buy another tank of high test.

Thanks;

Lance

I don't understand this at all.

What more proof does anyone need? Haven't they seen the photographs? Haven't they heard directly from the mouths of the defectors?

Did they not see the razed villages and the gassed civilians over the last ten years? Didn't they read the UN's own inspection reports?

I've seen all of that and I'm not the leader of any country.

Maybe, perchance they'd like to see a few more thousand dead around here. Perhaps that'll help make up their minds.

But no, it's not really their country. Why the hell should they care, really?

 

[Ishmael]

The satelite imagery you speak of... is it UN provided? they have taken a very big interest in this since the inspectors have last been there.

No, the UN has no satelite resources per se. The imagery came from the US SRO. There was also some colaborative imagery of lesser resolution that the French have. Whether the 'raw' data has been shared with the UN or not I have no idea. But I suspect that it hasn't due to the fact that we don't want to tip our hand to our true capabilities.

You question implies that the photo's may be 'doctored'. And that is always a possibilty. I doubt that for several reasons. But people will believe what they want to believe even when confronted with the truth. Hell, there's a large body of people out there that think the moon landings were done on a sound stage and that Elvis is still alive.

Ishmael

 

[HeavyStick]

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I don't understand this at all.

What more proof does anyone need? Haven't they seen the photographs?

the sad thing JMJ is most people live in the present and remember the past only when convenient and only when they want.

I agree with you 100 %

instead of being the ultra right wing I am suspected of being, I am speaking from a practical point of view.

UN inspections... no delays... any delay is an act of guilt

 

[HeavyStick]

You question implies that the photo's may be 'doctored'. And that is always a possibilty. I
Ishmael

I was not suggesting or implying that, I was attempting to lead you to a conclusion. I have been listening to CNN and MSNBC with the 1st anniversary coming up. Both stations have been saying that UN has some satelite imagery but no source has been revealed.

 

[JazzManJim]

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UN inspections... no delays... any delay is an act of guilt

No more chances. No more delays. He's had ten years to comply. His time is up.

Any delay is an act of complicity. Any delay is a tacit admission that slaughtering 180,000 people is fine and dandy. any delay means that they're quite okay with those chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons being unleashed on us or anywhere else Hussein can have thm launched, dropped, or carried.

No more mollycoddling. At least that's where I stand.

 

[HeavyStick]

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No more chances. No more delays. He's had ten years to comply. His time is up.

again I agree, however in order for the US to act upon terrorism and those who sponsor it is easier for the world community to swallow that 2000lb bunker buster approved by the UN.

 

[JazzManJim]

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again I agree, however in order for the US to act upon terrorism and those who sponsor it is easier for the world community to swallow that 2000lb bunker buster approved by the UN.

I have no confidence in the wisdom of the UN. They are the ones who allowed Hussein to commit those murders and to build those weapons through impotence and apathy.

Im' not concerned about the world community. We asked the world community ten years ago to deal with the man individually and it refused. It didn't see the threat then, and I can't see any way that it'll see it now.

That these countries still ask for proof only tells me that even if we were to drag in Hussein himself mixing a smallpox cocktail, they'd want more proof.

 

[Ishmael]

I was not suggesting or implying that, I was attempting to lead you to a conclusion. I have been listening to CNN and MSNBC with the 1st anniversary coming up. Both stations have been saying that UN has some satelite imagery but no source has been revealed.

Let me clarify HS. I didn't mean you personally. I was merely anticipating the fact that regardless of the source, it will be suggested by some that the images are bogus. The images will be decribed as 'doctored' or alternate interpretations applied to them by 'experts' that will be trotted out by the crowd that see's this as a great endeavor by the American Multi-national Corporations that 'really' run the world.

Be that as it may, the French have released some imagery along with interpretations by their own nuclear experts. And the US has already made public the fact that we have photos of the mobile laboratories.

Ishmael

 

[HeavyStick]

as far as confidence in the UN goes, I haven't had any since their actions in the 60's.

I see where your coming from Ishmael. I'm waiting for the socialist and the "revolution" to wake up from their drunken and stoned stooper to find the thread and reply. hence my peaceful interaction and dialogue.

hic...

 

[JazzManJim]

Here's a perfect example of the folly we're about to undertake before the UN. We could actually use French imagery and intelligence to prove to the French that Hussein has these weapons.

I mean, c'mon. What the hell is wrong with saying, "Look. It's obvious to us that you don't give a fuck if Hussein kills 180,000 people or if he's uses the weapons you all know he has on us or anyone else, but we do. Come with us or not. We don't care. But we're going to deal with this problem before it kills another 180,000"?

 

[HeavyStick]

you have used the word "French" twice in one post... you have been warned. The people with berets and body odor cannot get across town without some portion of their public transportation going on strike. I wouldn't rely upon them for a bad attitude and giving up in 2 world wars.

 

[Ishmael]

as far as confidence in the UN goes, I haven't had any since their actions in the 60's.

I see where your coming from Ishmael. I'm waiting for the socialist and the "revolution" to wake up from their drunken and stoned stooper to find the thread and reply. hence my peaceful interaction and dialogue.

hic...

LMAO. Wonder who you're refering to?

You know, there is all this chatter about 'requiring evidence'. Why?

Saddam lost the second Gulf War in 1991. There were certain stipulations that he was required to fulfill to return to the community of nations. Those stipulations were not horrifically onerous and he, and his country, were signatories to the papers that ended the conflict. It was the price he was required to pay for starting the war to begin with. One of the stipulations was the UN Inspectors and the requirement that all CBN weapons be destroyed along with all facilities for their design and manufacture.

His manipulations regarding the inspections are a matter of record. He is in violation of the accords that he signed in 1991 and has been since 1991. Other than the fact that we are sucking up to the rest of the world, there is no new evidence required. It already existed in the form of his not fulfilling the accords already in existence.

Ishmael

PS. I refuse to use the 'new speak' "Weapons of Mass Destruction". Talk about a term that is ripe for misuse. A two shot pistol could be defind as a weapon of mass destruction because it has the capability to destroy more than on life. If 'mass' is dealt with on a cellular level, we can add single shot pistols. All depends on what the definition of 'is' is.

 

[HeavyStick]

omg... i made Ish laugh....*screen capture and save for archival purposes*

 

[Ishmael]

omg... i made Ish laugh....*screen capture and save for archival purposes*

LOL, you'd be surprised how much shit I post on this board laughing my ass off and tongue in cheek.

Ishmael

 

[Lasher]

Use UN weapon inspectors, give them satellite phones and the moment they are delayed they call 1-800-AIR-STRIKE

This would be a brilliant plan - except I think there are too many letters in the phone number.

Maybe they could just use an ordinary number and program it in to speed dial so they wouldn't have to look it up or anything...

 

[HeavyStick]

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This would be a brilliant plan - except I think there are too many letters in the phone number.

with me....errr... having heard of people being subject to "976" scams the phone companies disregard the extra numbers.... that's why we have country and area codes

 

[Lasher]

Hmmm....

I still see confusion. Speed dial just seems safer. You just hand this crazy UN inspectors the phones and say "Hey, if you need that air strike thingy, just dial *99 on your phone." or something like that.

I think you'd probably want to instruct them not to program the local Iraqi Pizza Huts' phone number too close to that. Imagine something awful like this...

"Hey, Gerd, is the Pizza Hut *69 or *99?"

"I think it's *99, Jaime."

"Ok"

And then he dials the *99 number and accidentally blows Iraq to hell.

There's some issues to work out on this, but otherwise still brilliant.

 

[HeavyStick]

Hmmm....



"Ok"

And then he dials the *99 number and accidentally blows Iraq to hell.

There's some issues to work out on this, but otherwise still brilliant.

well overall I think you understand what I mean. Iraq should adhere to the UN resolution. If it doesn't it should be held accountable.

I believe that if Iraq knew that immediate UN sanctioned action/retaliation was approved it MIGHT make a difference. The US and Soviet Union have been destroying biological agents for some time now, they have also reduced the amount of nuclear arms (still enough to devastate the planet), now the world has to worry about some crack pot destroying a very delicate balance.

 

[Ishmael]

Hmmm....

I still see confusion. Speed dial just seems safer. You just hand this crazy UN inspectors the phones and say "Hey, if you need that air strike thingy, just dial *99 on your phone." or something like that.

I think you'd probably want to instruct them not to program the local Iraqi Pizza Huts' phone number too close to that. Imagine something awful like this...

"Hey, Gerd, is the Pizza Hut *69 or *99?"

"I think it's *99, Jaime."

"Ok"

And then he dials the *99 number and accidentally blows Iraq to hell.

There's some issues to work out on this, but otherwise still brilliant.

Hey, why not keep air patrols up all the time and just give the inspectors laser designators. Eliminate the middleman.

Ishmael