Ukraine Endgame?

[jaF0]

What? When?

After Vald's dead?

Will the EU and the US and whoever else keep sending stuff without sending troops?


The Fins and the Swedes are all but in NATO. Ukraine? Either NATO, EU or both? Or will it be assimilated by Vlad?



Something's gotta give. As it is today, it cannot remain to be.

 

[rockcasbah]

Americans will soon lose interest, just like Syria, Yemen, Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, etc etc.

They’re working on new diversions right now!

 

[oggbashan]

The Europeans won't. Putin is on their doorstep and threatening retaliations against EU, UK, and NATO countries that are supporting Ukraine.

Some of the EU have difficulty because they still rely on Putin's oil and gas, but they are taking steps to find alternatives. When they have, Russia will NEVER supply them again.

 

[ll74]

I'm all in for whatever it takes. I'd absolutely love to see Putin taken out.

Either we're leaders or we're followers.

 

[KeithD]

One thing is for sure (to the benefit of the United States and other NATO countries): Russian military/economic capability is being drained down significantly to where all it will have left for a very long time militarily is bluster. Ukrainians are taking the horrific brunt but even if Russia can occupy all or part of Ukraine, it won't be able to hold it over time.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

What is the Biden Administration’s goal? To supply Ukraine with weapons and money indefinitely? Is it to get Russia out of Ukraine completely? Or perhaps reach a settlement that lets them keep parts? What does American success look like to the administration?

And did they ever settle on exactly what type of weapons the US is willing to supply and what type it won’t?

What’s the administration’s end game? Or do they even have one?

 

[ll74]

What is the Biden Administration’s goal? To supply Ukraine with weapons and money indefinitely? Is it to get Russia out of Ukraine completely? Or perhaps reach a settlement that lets them keep parts? What does American success look like to the administration?

And did they ever settle on exactly what type of weapons the US is willing to supply and what type it won’t?

What’s the administration’s end game? Or do they even have one?

I had a similar question regarding the "war on drugs" and the "war on terror"

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

I had a similar question regarding the "war on drugs" and the "war on terror"

My question and the subject of this thread is about Ukraine. This is an armed conflict where one country has invaded another. They are targeting and killing innocent civilians. The US and it’s NATO allies are providing certain types of weapons, munitions, and money without any clear statement on what constitutes success.

 

[rockcasbah]

What is the Biden Administration’s goal? To supply Ukraine with weapons and money indefinitely? Is it to get Russia out of Ukraine completely? Or perhaps reach a settlement that lets them keep parts? What does American success look like to the administration?

And did they ever settle on exactly what type of weapons the US is willing to supply and what type it won’t?

What’s the administration’s end game? Or do they even have one?

Have you asked the National Security Council?

 

[ll74]

My question and the subject of this thread is about Ukraine. This is an armed conflict where one country has invaded another. They are targeting and killing innocent civilians. The US and it’s NATO allies are providing certain types of weapons, munitions, and money without any clear statement on what constitutes success.

Success in terms of what? I think it's clear that an intact country is the end goal of those who support it...rather than a conquered one.

I think the bigger question becomes why did we support Ukraine who was fighting against regime change, yet we fought on the other side in Iraq. Who defines those lines and why?

I think we need to push for a different kind of UN that can be the more defined line of world order.

 

[jaF0]

Russian military/economic capability is being drained down significantly ...

Is it though? Or will Xi and Modi align with them? Japan is wound up about China and Russia floating ships together.

I think we need to push for a different kind of UN that can be the more defined line of world order.

Puttyland needs to be booted off the Security Council for one thing.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Success in terms of what? I think it's clear that an intact country is the end goal of those who support it...rather than a conquered one.

I think the bigger question becomes why did we support Ukraine who was fighting against regime change, yet we fought on the other side in Iraq. Who defines those lines and why?

I think we need to push for a different kind of UN that can be the more defined line of world order.

“Intact” meaning complete and unconditional Russian withdrawal from all occupied areas?

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Have you asked the National Security Council?

No. Do they have the answers?

 

[ll74]

“Intact” meaning complete and unconditional Russian withdrawal from all occupied areas?

Intact meaning not absorbed into Russia

 

[Rightguide]

What is the Biden Administration’s goal? To supply Ukraine with weapons and money indefinitely? Is it to get Russia out of Ukraine completely? Or perhaps reach a settlement that lets them keep parts? What does American success look like to the administration?

And did they ever settle on exactly what type of weapons the US is willing to supply and what type it won’t?

What’s the administration’s end game? Or do they even have one?

Not only the supply of weapons but they are floating the idea of financing the rebuilding of Ukraine as well. I think at this point it is quite clear that Joe Biden has been compromised by the Ukrainians regarding the corrupt business dealings there of both him and Hunter. Why would he have sent so many billions and risked WWIII with Russia? It certainly isn't in the national security interests of the United States. He is actually drawing down the weapons reserves and future capability of the US military that could very well be engaged by both the Russian and Chinese military. Joe Biden is dancing to the tune of somebody other than the American people he allegedly represents.

 

[KeithD]

Is it though?

Yes, it is. Don't count on the Chinese to pull any chestnuts out the fire for Russia.

 

[KeithD]

Puttyland needs to be booted off the Security Council for one thing.

There's no means to do that. That dog don't bark. The last time they voluntarily walked away and just didn't participate, it didn't work well for them. There is no mechanism for removing them.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Intact meaning not absorbed into Russia

Or under Russian control via proxies?

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Not only the supply of weapons but they are floating the idea of financing the rebuilding of Ukraine as well. I think at this point it is quite clear that Joe Biden has been compromised by the Ukrainians regarding the corrupt business dealings there of both him and Hunter. Why would he have sent so many billions and risked WWIII with Russia? It certainly isn't in the national security interests of the United States. He is actually drawing down the weapons reserves and future capability of the US military that could very well be engaged by both the Russian and Chinese military. Joe Biden is dancing to the tune of somebody other than the American people he allegedly represents.

It’s ridiculous. There is no strategy. No end game. They’re just reacting haphazardly. At some point the American public is going to expect answers.

 

[ll74]

Or under Russian control via proxies?

If the country is under Russian control then they are Russia.

 

[Rightguide]

It’s ridiculous. There is no strategy. No end game. They’re just reacting haphazardly. At some point the American public is going to expect answers.

My sense is this is all due to a compromised President who has been instructed or blackmailed into destroying or weakening the combat power of the US military. There is really no other explanation for Joe Biden's woke policies that are designed to destroy military unit cohesion and morale and CRT teachings that will turn military personnel against each other. There is no other reason for his efforts that have reduced the budget, combat power, and lethality of the US military as he inches us closer to war. I know that sounds harsh but if it isn't true and only a big mistake you'd expect him to make a mistake in our favor from time to time, but as we see his march to our destruction is both methodical and accelerating.

 

[rockcasbah]

No. Do they have the answers?

Find out for yourself, potato.

 

[ll74]

My sense is this is all due to BDS

True

 

[jaF0]

The mechanism is that they were never officially part of it. They just waltzed in and sat down in the USSR's seat without any official approval.

 

[mayfly13]

One thing is for sure (to the benefit of the United States and other NATO countries): Russian military/economic capability is being drained down significantly to where all it will have left for a very long time militarily is bluster. Ukrainians are taking the horrific brunt but even if Russia can occupy all or part of Ukraine, it won't be able to hold it over time.

You're wrong, and American military analysts must certainly know that.
Tzarist Russia has always combined occupation, with immediate russification