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..Judge: Mo. funeral protest ban unconstitutional

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. – A federal judge Monday ruled that Missouri laws restricting protests near funerals are unconstitutional.

Missouri legislators passed two laws in 2006 in response to protests at servicemembers' funerals by members of Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan. The church contends the deaths are God's punishment for the U.S. tolerating homosexuality.

U.S. District Judge Fernando Gaitan ruled the laws violate the right of free speech guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution.

The primary state law had barred protests near any church, cemetery or funeral establishment from an hour before until an hour after any funeral ceremony, procession or memorial service. The secondary measure specifically stated protesters must stay back at least 300 feet from ceremonies and processions. Both provisions levied the same penalty: up to six months in jail and a $500 fine for a first offense and up to one year in jail and a $1,000 fine for repeat offenders.

Gaitan concluded Missouri officials did not demonstrate the protest restrictions served a significant government interest nor that they had been narrowly tailored to prevent the harm of interruptions of funeral services. The judge wrote he was sympathetic to the argument people attending a funeral deserve some protection but noted a federal appeals court already had previously rejected that argument.

The ruling came in a lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union on behalf of Westboro church member Shirley Phelps-Roper. Last year, Missouri officials were barred from enforcing the protest restrictions while the lawsuit was pending. Missouri Attorney General Koster appealed that decision but the U.S. Supreme Court refused without comment to consider the case.

Koster also plans to appeal Gaitan's latest ruling, said spokeswoman Nanci Gonder.

Gonder said Gaitan's hands were tied by a federal appeals court ruling that there was no compelling government interest in protecting people from unwanted speech outside their homes. She said the attorney general's office would ask the appeals court to "reconsider the abhorrent acts" church members "routinely inflict upon our servicemen and women."

ACLU attorney Tony Rothert said Monday that Missouri's restrictions created too large a zone in public areas where speech was restricted and made even non-disruptive speech illegal.

"Just not liking speech isn't enough reason," Rothert said.

Rothert added that the ban was aimed at the Kansas church but could have affected others. For example, he said it could have made it illegal to picket anywhere a funeral procession happened to drive past.

Numerous states have passed laws restricting protests at funerals; Phelps-Roper also challenged a similar law in Ohio. Missouri's law was sponsored by two St. Joseph lawmakers after Westboro members protested outside the 2005 funeral of a soldier from their legislative districts. State lawmakers said they approved two laws so there was a fallback in case one was challenged in court.

According to court documents, members of the Kansas church say they have held more than 42,000 pickets, including more than 500 at funerals.
 
With all due respect...

Huffington Post has all the bad news a person can stand, if you know what I mean-- along with tens of thousands of bloggers and local news sites.

Got any news about sex? Or writing? or writing sex?

That's what's I mostly hope to find in a pornwriter's forum. :)
 
Huffington Post has all the bad news a person can stand, if you know what I mean-- along with tens of thousands of bloggers and local news sites.

Got any news about sex? Or writing? or writing sex?

That's what's I mostly hope to find in a pornwriter's forum. :)

Let me keep looking.
 
The protests by that church, if made in the UK, would have the protesters arrested immediately. Repeat offences would lead to jail time.

But they are on the list of people not welcome in the UK so it won't happen.

Og
 
Someone needs to pass a law making it legal to punch Westborro Baptists in the face. The law will get overturned, but hopefully enough people will get their shots in during the interim to make it worth it.
 
I have a bias against Baptists...Southern Baptists, actually. Ruined more than a few good folk that I know.
 
Someone needs to pass a law making it legal to punch Westborro Baptists in the face. The law will get overturned, but hopefully enough people will get their shots in during the interim to make it worth it.

how long do you get for a first offense assault-and-battery?
 
Someone needs to pass a law making it legal to punch Westborro Baptists in the face. The law will get overturned, but hopefully enough people will get their shots in during the interim to make it worth it.

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PS Why am I shocked that it is a Church perpetuating these horrors? Feel like taking myself to Baptist land and doing a stand-up piss on their graves. Oooh, so unladylike!
 
We have law thing in the UK: "Disturbing the Peace".
Does nothing like that exist in the 'Sates?
 
The protests by that church, if made in the UK, would have the protesters arrested immediately. Repeat offences would lead to jail time.

But they are on the list of people not welcome in the UK so it won't happen.

Og

remember the furore in luton? although it weren't a church involved...
 
We have law thing in the UK: "Disturbing the Peace".
Does nothing like that exist in the 'States?

We have that, but we have some rights above the curbing of undesired behavior. We have the right to freedom of speech. Unpopular speech. Does not anything like this exist in the UK? :confused:

Protest is a protected right. They are not allowed to stand on private property to protest, and they don't. They stand on the public property at the (short) distance required by law (usually.) Usually, bikers carrying large, blocking American flags stand in front of them.

Nobody likes these idiots. That's not the point, though. Unpopular groups come and go, but with them we get tested. Do we still really believe in free speech or not?
 
Our Free Speech in the UK does not include the right to abuse people or incite hatred because of nationality, ethnic origin, religious belief or sexual orientation.

In some respects our Free Speech is more protected than in the US; in other respects it is less protected. It does not trump other legislation.

However, the application by the Police in a particular situation depends on their discretion. If the protest is likely to start a Breach of the Peace then it will be stopped.

The sort of demonstration carried out in the US by the particular church would be opposed by the police AND the public. A series of formal complaints from the public would soon end the church's right to demonstrate, and they would be a proscribed organisation. (and would probably reform under a new name and start again, generate complaints, be banned again, and so on.)

Og
 
Do we still really believe in free speech or not?

Hi DH,

Not at funerals. Funerals are sacred in my eyes and should be respected by all, no matter what culture or religion is conducting the ceremony. I find it despicable that anyone could bring their politics to a place where people are grieving.
 
Fred Phelps isn't an ordained minister. He's a self-appointed foaming-at-the-mouth soapbox preacher. All the members of his "church" are his family. They do these things to get the attention that we give them. Until we get our acts together and start treating them with ridicule instead of distain, they will persist because unless it gets you laughed at, any attention is better than being ignored. I have been told that the family members don't get along well together and the homophobic protests are about all they have in common. When Freddy dies they will fade away.
 
Hi DH,

Not at funerals. Funerals are sacred in my eyes and should be respected by all, no matter what culture or religion is conducting the ceremony. I find it despicable that anyone could bring their politics to a place where people are grieving.

Believe me, deeper than you can imagine, these people disturb me. It is amazing that this is protected free speech. They have been brought to court. If you do a google search, you can find where and how.

But as much as it pains me, I personally still want the standard for shutting anyone up to be to be limited. It's too sacred.
 
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The Phelps family is more to be pitied than scorned...I mean living with all that venom in you every day and you're not a rattlesnake must be wearying at the very least.

If they think Jesus will welcome them with arms outstretched when they're on the wrong side of the grass, do they have a surprise coming. ;)
 
the phleps' will be just as surprised as the suicide bombers when they get to where they think they are going. jesus will not welcome old fred into heaven and the seventy-two virgins waiting for the bomber won't be there either.

religious rhetoric and strict fundamentalism is not what religion is about. it's about faith. what that faith is, is up to you to find out, but following a crackpot or militant fundy is not faith. it's stupidity.
 
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