TVSCs

[MathGirl]

Does anyone know a good site for stories about cross-dressing singing cowboys? There must be some, but I can't find one.
MG

 

[Guest]

MG: check w/the John Wayne Society (his first name was Marian, ya know). I'd check out Roy Rogers and Gene Autry too. Singing to one's horse, or stuffing them after they die, raises an eyebrow. "Happy trails to you" raises another.

Helpfully, Perdita

 

[oggbashan]

Try asking here ...

If you ask the webmistress on this site:

http://www.crossdress.cd/

you might get an answer. That is if you are serious about wanting to find them.

If not, annoy any line dancing group.

Og

 

[Svenskaflicka]

Or go to Altavista and type in "morris dancers"...

 

[Chicklet]

Does anyone know a good site for stories about cross-dressing singing cowboys? There must be some, but I can't find one.
MG

thank god you asked, cause i was too shy to.

 

[MathGirl]

Re: Re: TVSCs

thank god you asked, cause i was too shy to.

Hiya, Chickie,
For some reason, I picked up a book about singing movie cowboys in their golden age (30s thru 50s) at the library. I thought the whole phenomenon was kind of funny. There's a picture of Tex Ritter wearing something that looks suspiciously like a garter belt.

I'm sure there must be thousands of people besides us who are interested in TVSCs, at there must be dozens of web sites. Perhaps they're all unlisted. Maybe if this thread keeps going, someone will see it and guide us.
Yippie Kiii Oooo,
MG
Ps. Did you know that Roy Roger's real first name was Leonard?

 

[Quasimodem]

Yippie Kiii Oooo: TVSCs

Did you know that Roy Roger's real first name was Leonard?

Wall, I shore did, Little Lady, and I thinks it wure mightly Slye of him, to boot.

 

[BlackSnake]

MG: check w/the John Wayne Society (his first name was Marian, ya know). I'd check out Roy Rogers and Gene Autry too. Singing to one's horse, or stuffing them after they die, raises an eyebrow. "Happy trails to you" raises another.

Helpfully, Perdita

lol

 

[MathGirl]

Re: Yippie Kiii Oooo: TVSCs

Wall, I shore did, Little Lady, and I thinks it wure mightly Slye of him, to boot.

Thanks, Quaz. I couldn't think of his last name. Trigger, Bullet, Gabby Hayes, and Dale Evans. I can't write that sort of stuff, but it might make a great group, animal, older, etc. story. Lot of potential there.

Happy trails to you,
MG
Ps. Yee Haw

 

[Quasimodem]

Why was Dale Evan's horse named 'Buttermilk?'

That is my churning question?

 

[MathGirl]

Pseudonymity

Why was Dale Evan's horse named 'Buttermilk?'

That is my churning question?

Dear Quaz,
To hide the fact that it was a gelding and its real name was "Buttercup."
MG
Ps. You tried to Slyde that one in on us, didn't you?

 

[Quasimodem]

No, REALLY!

Someone once told me it had something to do with its coat.

But, even then, I wasn't that foolish.

As anyone could see, Dale Evan's horse only wore a saddle. No coat, and not even a single pair of pants!

 

[MathGirl]

As anyone could see, Dale Evan's horse only wore a saddle. No coat, and not even a single pair of pants!

Probably had an illicit relationship out behind the paddock with Mister Ed.
MG

 

[Quasimodem]

Probably had an illicit relationship out behind the paddock with Mister Ed.
MG

I thought Mr. Ed was also a gelding?

So, what are you saying?

Mr. Ed was running for Mare in a fetching little halter-top, while Buttermilk - Nee: Cup - was simply ravishing in a minimalist English Saddle of almost scandalous brevity.

Sounds like strange goings-on at Rancho Bizarro!

 

[MathGirl]

I thought Mr. Ed was also a gelding?Sounds like strange goings-on at Rancho Bizarro!

Dear Quaz,
I don't think that ever held them back. Ummm...... I just had a very unsettling thought. Try to imagine what two horses would look like getting into a 69 position. No, it's best that you don't. I sure wish I hadn't.
MG
Ps. I'm pretty sure that Buttercup was a filly.

 

[Quasimodem]

Try to imagine what two horses would look like getting into a 69 position.

I can’t imagine, but it sounds like they would use up a quantity of orthopaedic resources.

I'm pretty sure that Buttercup was a filly.

I find that vaguely comforting.

 

[Alex756]

Why was Dale Evan's horse named 'Buttermilk?'

That is my churning question?

I will regret answering this question seriously I know

Becasue his color is what is known as a buttermilk dun, mostl likey a combination of the dun gene and the cream gene on a black base coat with the Agoti modifier aka Bay.

Pardon my poor spelling of genetics at this hour.

*does the horse genetics curtsie*

Its kinda like why 'silver' the grey horse was so named and such.

A really common thing was to name a horse after its color, hence the old sorrel, Brown Dick, Dun mare, and such that show up in old QH pedegrees.

YAA
Yet Another Alex
Appoligizing for answering this in geek fashion.
Alex756

 

[Quasimodem]

Alex756,

While you're here, could you tell me if it was Gene Autrey who recorded "Old Buttermilk Sky"?

That would be Champion.

Brown Dick? Nothing like Spotted Dick, I trust.

 

[MathGirl]

$%^&^*!!

Look here, you people. I don't give a good goddamn what color that fucking hoss was, Dale Rogers Evan's nag was named ButterCUP.
Pontifically,
MG

 

[Quasimodem]

Re: $%^&^*!!

Look here, you people. I don't give a good goddamn what color that fucking hoss was, Dale Rogers Evan's nag was named ButterCUP.
Pontifically,
MG

Let's work it out, Math.

Alex756 said: "A really common thing was to name a horse after its colour. . . . "

If that is true, 'ButterCUP' should be a Palomino. But the Palomino in question was named "Trigger," and you know what a stuffed shirt HE turned out to be!

Maybe she called him/her/if Buttermilk because it was such a COW!

Just in reflex, shouldn't that be Dale Evens Rogers Slye?

Inquisitively

 

[MathGirl]

Dear Quaz,
You are being unnecessarily mulish about this whole thing. Since the hayburner was named ButterCUP, it was probably yellow. Knowing what that bunch did with their livestock after the demise of said critters, they probably had the poor nag painted yaller so her name would fit.

I started a perfectly reasonable thread about crossdressing singing cowboys, and it had degenerated into an argument about equine nomenclature, genetics, and hide hues. I wish I'd never brought it up.
MG
Ps. I'm turning this damned thing off and going to bed. I'll probably dream about the sexual carryings on of painted and stuffed horseflesh.
Pps. Dale Evans was a Valium addict. One of my mother's good friends was Dale's favorite source of prescriptions. Whether she ever gave the drug to ButterCUP is unknown.

 

[Quasimodem]

Dear Quaz,
You are being unnecessarily mulish about this whole thing. . . . I started a perfectly reasonable thread about crossdressing singing cowboys, and it had degenerated into an argument about equine nomenclature, genetics, and hide hues.. . . .

As you so rightly observe, this post started out to investigate the Transvestite proclivities of the phenomenon know as the Singing Cowboy.

It is true that I have been resisting this, not through any mule-headedness (or any other equine feature ) but because in the very thread's title, you have - I fear - got the cart before the horse.


TVSC , or more fully Transvestite Singing Cowboys tend to describe the group's transvestitism as a cover for being a Singing Cowboy. While I agree, the concept of a Singing Cowboy is fairly outre, I cannot help believing that the social phenomenon of the Singing Cowboy rather provided cover for the transvestitism already inherent in the individuals.

For proof, I offer that while all Singing Cowboys - to a greater or lesser degree - display symptomatic examples of transvestitism, transvestitism had been know to display itself outside the social context of the Singing Cowboy - “Charley’s Aunt” for example.

Acknowledging this would change the title from TVSC for Transvestite Singing Cowboys to SCTV for Singing Cowboy Transvestites.

Besides, being more accurate, I would find - coming from the particular area in which I have been raised - as a title, "SCTV" is a much more acceptable image.

One must, I fear, keep in mind some commercial considerations, when thoughts of publication come around.


I remain,
like Hoot Gibson’s mink leggings,
just one of the chaps,

 

[MathGirl]

Gd Grf!

like Hoot Gibson’s mink leggings,
just one of the chaps,

Hoot Gibson wore mink chaps? That was probably very Tony at the time.
MG
Ps. I was afraid that the acronym "SCTV" would cause confusion and possible copyright infringement with some advanced form of audio-visual telecommunication system.
Pps. Don't nag.

 

[Quasimodem]

Re: Gd Grf!

Hoot Gibson wore mink chaps? That was probably very Tony at the time.
MG

No. I protest!

You cannot bring Tony into the Mix. That is the silent era, and we are discussing the Singing Cowboy phenomenon. While, Tom may have brandished the odd guitar, and his wardrobe was undoubtedly “gay,” you cannot claim to have ever heard him sing.

What we should settle, is SCTV (which I still maintain is the proper nomenclature) how they travelled, the direction they travelled, and the degree to which they were in-the-closet.

Examples:

Transvestite Threesome: “The Three Mesquiteers” travelled in irrational numbers, singing variously and in combinations. Their garb, if not always strictly TV, was at least, always unmanly. At the end, they invariably rode off into the sunset, a habit that either led to their eventually drowning their horses in the Pacific, or emigrating via cattle boat to Hawaii.

I do recall a few embryonic attempts at Honolulu Cowpokes, but they failed to establish any series. Undoubted, the innate cruelty of forcing your horse into the western surf and swimming to the next island was more than their fans could endure. Too, they probably lacked Steele for the Hawaiian guitars. I believe Bob managed to crossover to legitimate films at that time.

The Masked: While the most effeminate, masked avenger, Zorro, assumed a mask for his most manly deeds, he lived quite openly as the merest of piffles. Only in “Zorro’s Fighting Legion,” however, was he ever heard to sing. Others, continued this tradition, some while warbling gaily, others in less slack-jawed incarnations.

Wrong Way Cowboys: At the top of this list, and singing lustily, one finds the indomitable duo of Jeannette MacDonald and Nelson Eddy, known ‘affectionately’ as the Iron Butterfly and the Singing Capon. This pair frequently strayed North of 49, and harassed fellow countrymen, with Eddy (usually) the one dressed, almost accurately, in RCMP regalia. This forced the RCMP to employ a degree of cruelty in their reprisals unseen since the Luis Riel rebellion.

As you can readily see, we have enough territory to cover. There is no need to add into the Mix those soundless, unsynched Singing Cowboys of the Silent Era.

Once you have thought it over, I am certain that you will agree.

Like Lash LaRue,
I too, can whip a lot of Bull!

 

[Guest]

the British fur industry

MG and Quas:
This is the best and most writerly thread going at the moment. You two make a great team (no innuendo, really).

My only concern: re. mink chaps (ignoring Tony), do you mean Hoot wore British lads on his legs? How tall was he? Were the Brits tiny?

Perdita