Try working out the legal liability for this unusual death

DannyBoyUK

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No idea whether this is true but it would make a good law-school exam question

On March 23, 1994 the medical examiner viewed the body of Ronald Opus and concluded that he died from a shotgun wound to the head. Mr Opus had jumped from the top of a ten-storey building intending to commit suicide. He left a note to the effect indicating his despondency. As he fell past the ninth floor his life was interrupted by a shotgun blast passing through a window,which killed him instantly.

Neither the shooter nor the deceased was aware that a safety net had been installed just below the eighth floor level to protect some building workers and that Ronald Opus would not have been able to complete his suicide the way he had planned.
"Ordinarily," Dr Mills continued, "A person who sets out to commit suicide and ultimately succeeds, even though the mechanism might not be what he intended, is still defined as committing suicide."

That Mr Opus was shot on the way to certain death, but probably would not have been successful because of the safety net, caused the medical examiner to feel that he had a homicide on his hands.

The room on the ninth floor, where the shotgun blast emanated, was occupied by an elderly man and his wife. They were arguing vigorously and he was threatening her with a shotgun. The man was so upset that whem he pulled the trigger he completely missed his wife and the pellets went through the window striking Mr Opus.

When one intends to kill subject "A" but kills subject "B" in the attempt, one is guilty of the murder of subject "B".
this is known as transferred malice

When confronted with the murder charge the old man and his wife were both adamant and both said that they thought the shotgun was unloaded. The old man said it was a long-standing habit to threaten his wife with the unloaded shotgun. He had no intention to murder her. Therefore the killing of Mr Opus
appeared to be an accident; that is, if the gun had been accidentally loaded.

The continuing investigation turned up a witness who saw the old couple's son loading the shotgun about six weeks prior to the fatal accident. It transpired that the old lady had cut off her son's financial support and the son, knowing the propensity of his father to use the shotgun threateningly, loaded the gun with the expectation that his father would shoot his mother.

Since the loader of the gun was aware of this, he was guilty of the murder even though he didn't actually pull the trigger. The case now becomes one of murder on the part of the son for the death of Ronald Opus.

Now comes the exquisite twist.
Further investigation revealed that the son was, in fact, Ronald Opus. He had become increasingly despondent over the failure of his attempt to engineer his mother's murder. This led him to jump off the ten story building on March 23rd, only to be killed by a shotgun blast passing through the ninth story window.

The son had actually murdered himself so the medical examiner closed the case as a suicide.
 
This so sounds like a Paul Harvey canard. You forgot to close with "Good day."
 
Aren't you the guy with the massive manboobs that's in cahoots with a bunch of other fake people here?

I seem to remember you...
 
Ignore PC

Ignore PC, DannyBoy. He's not worthy of the attention of any serious, intelligent person.

God, I hated those law school hypotheticals.
 
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binkley said:
This so sounds like a Paul Harvey canard. You forgot to close with "Good day."

I thought he ended with ...

And now you know the rest of the story....
 
I don't think I am exactly in a position to criticise anyone right now.

I can't expect to get away with what I did to miles without getting stuff thrown back at me.

Apparently the above scenario is true!
 
Re: Ignore PC

REDWAVE said:
Ignore, PC, DannyBoy. He's not worthy of the attention of any serious, intelligent person.
And they would be... ? Certainly not us.
 
Re: Ignore PC

REDWAVE said:
Ignore, PC, DannyBoy. He's not worthy of the attention of any serious, intelligent person.

Mr. Kettle... Mr. Kettle? There's a Mr. Pot on the line for you.
 
Re: Ignore PC

REDWAVE said:
Ignore, PC, DannyBoy. He's not worthy of the attention of any serious, intelligent person.

God, I hated those law school hypotheticals.

Yeah, ignore me Danny. Afterall, you've got plenty of other friends. None of them are real, but what the hey...

What lawschool did you go to RED? And what cereal box do they advertise on?
 
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Problem Child said:
What lawschool did you go to RED? And what cereal box do they advertise on?
Hey, Texas has some fine law schools, I tell you what.
 
At least one

Well, DannyBoy has at least one real friend. Welcome back, DBUK.

None of your damn business where I went to law school, PC. Maybe you can have your alter ego Texan find out for you. He seems pretty good at spying on people.
 
DannyBoyUK:
"Apparently the above scenario is true!"

I've heard the same thing said about women masturbating with lobsters and having shrimp grow in her uterus because of it.. do you have anything to verify that?
 
Re: At least one

REDWAVE said:
Well, DannyBoy has at least one real friend. Welcome back, DBUK.

None of your damn business where I went to law school, PC. Maybe you can have your alter ego Texan find out for you. He seems pretty good at spying on people.


That's very noble of you not to expose your alma mater, especially after the virtual ass-whipping in legal theory that Mischka gave you a couple months ago.

No reason to embarrass them through your own incompetence.
 
Re: At least one

REDWAVE said:
None of your damn business where I went to law school, PC. Maybe you can have your alter ego Texan find out for you. He seems pretty good at spying on people.
Am I an alter-ego now, or did I miss the underlying subtext of this exegesis? Is there medical and dental?
 
lavender said:
The man who shot the gun is on trial. What is the outcome and why?

I hate word problems. Which way was the train going again?

I'd assume that he was convicted of murder. But I'm no lawyer.

btw, how come the female lawyers on Lit are cool and sexy, and the male lawyers are... well, like REDWAVE?
 
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DannyBoyUK:
"Apparently the above scenario is true!"

I've heard the same thing said about women masturbating with lobsters and having shrimp grow in her uterus because of it.. do you have anything to verify that?

Nothing to prove it at all (which is why I prefaced the scenario with the line I did)

The source from whom I nicked it,though, is usually a reliable one - I suspect that the story might have been enhanced a bit(the safety net stuff doesn't convince me)

Interesting all the same !
 
RawHumor said:
I'd assume that he was convicted of murder. But I'm no lawyer.

Oh yeah, lawyer talk. I'd assume 2nd Degree murder. It wasn't premeditated, but it was voluntary. I hope I got that right.
 
Shows what you know, PC

That shows how much you know, ignoramus. I whipped Mischka's cyberbutt. Her attempts to refute me only made my case for me. She obviously is lousy at legal analysis.
 
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