Trump says Putin will ultimately take over all of Ukraine

[JohnEngelman]

How about it folks? Should we let Russia conquer Ukraine?

For the record, I think we should not.

 

[Lazaran]

The corrupt orange traitor is a Russian asset as surely as JohnE. is a unabashed eugenic racist.

SAD!!!

 

[ll74]

Well, historically, we will. Belarus and Georgia went without much of an objection.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Well, historically, we will. Belarus and Georgia went without much of an objection.

NATO was not helping those countries.

 

[ll74]

NATO was not helping those countries.

Yah, you almost got my point.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

How about it folks? Should we let Russia conquer Ukraine?

For the record, I think we should not.

I would like to see a plan in place to drive Russia out by the end of this year. That would require rapid mobilization of all weapons, munitions, and support personnel necessary to do the job. It would mean accepting the risk of Russia introducing nuclear weapons and direct involvement from other countries friendly to Russia, most notably China and Iran. The US and NATO allies have not demonstrated a willingness to do that so this is likely to drain military resources and national treasuries for years.

 

[Rightguide]

Trump isn't the only per saying this. Qualified military sources are saying the same thing. The media just isn't covering the war and there's a reason why. It isn't going our way and Joe Biden is likely on the precipice of yet another foreign policy disaster.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Trump isn't the only per saying this. Qualified military sources are saying the same thing. The media just isn't covering the war and there's a reason why. It isn't going our way and Joe Biden is likely on the precipice of yet another foreign policy disaster.

Unlike Trump, I support defending Ukraine against the Russian invasion. But this dithering by the US and NATO allies isn’t giving me any confidence that there is a plan or an end game. Win or walk.

 

[Rotadom]

Trump isn't the only per saying this. Qualified military sources are saying the same thing. The media just isn't covering the war and there's a reason why. It isn't going our way and Joe Biden is likely on the precipice of yet another foreign policy disaster.

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Your brainwashing is complete. Please pull forward for your lobotomy.

 

[LLCox]

How about it folks? Should we let Russia conquer Ukraine?

For the record, I think we should not.

It all depends on if the US walks away like they usually do. Probably be the end of NATO.

 

[Chobham]

Unlike Trump, I support defending Ukraine against the Russian invasion. But this dithering by the US and NATO allies isn’t giving me any confidence that there is a plan or an end game. Win or walk.

Trump saying that Russia will prevail in Ukraine is NOT the same as supporting Russia's invasion. It is a fair real world assessment of what is transpiring. He is being honest, even if not a popular view in some circles. RG's point shouldn't be overlooked, this is going to happen under Biden's watch, not Trumps. The only way to stop this is for a full on NATO intervention and the Europeans are NOT gong to buy into a nuclear exchange even if some of the more rabid individuals in the administration think it's OK and winnable. And if you think Putin won't resort to nukes in that event, you're wrong. He knows he can't win in a head to head confrontation with NATO and won't hesitate to escalate.

For all intents and purposes Ukraine is already done. Russia already occupies the industrial east leaving only the agricultural west to be overrun. Because the industrialized portion is occupied Ukraine cannot aid in replenishing it war stocks. The refugees that have left Ukraine are not coming back, there's nothing left to come back to. Russia has trapped Ukraine into a war of attrition and that is a type of war that Ukraine cannot win no matter how much material we throw their way.

So what is the possible strategy in supplying the Ukrainians the way we are? One possible answer is to bloody the Russians to the point that after they take Ukraine they'll be so depleted that they'll be unable to molest their other neighbors. It's the Russians that will trapped in a guerrilla war (the Ukrainians are not going to stop being a thorn in Russia's backside) to which they will have to commit a great number of occupation troops. They will also be saddled with having to foot the bill for rebuilding, assuming they're even interested in doing so.

I don't expect Ukraine to survive to see next winter.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Trump isn't the only per saying this. Qualified military sources are saying the same thing. The media just isn't covering the war and there's a reason why. It isn't going our way and Joe Biden is likely on the precipice of yet another foreign policy disaster.

That is what you want to happen, isn't it?

 

[ll74]

That is what you want to happen, isn't it?

Putin gives him a hardon

 

[KeithD]

Putin will ultimately die without getting much of anything he now wants. But the same will happen to Trump.

 

[Lazaran]

Hmmmm…. I don’t see any signs that Ukraine is going to inevitably be taken over by Russia.

European NATO members are sending one million artillery shells to Ukraine over the next year, on top of what the US and others are committing. Israel is sending advanced anti drone systems. Advanced tanks and armored vehicles are arriving from Poland, America, the UK, etc. Fighter Jets are arriving from Poland and Slovakia. Patriot missile systems are coming online. Stinger, Javelin, and HIMARS missile production is being increased dramatically to meet demand,; in addition to the ramping up of artillery shell production.

Also: Warmer weather is coming, promising a Ukrainian spring offensive which will utilize all those recently delivered armaments.

A Russian supply base in Mariupol just got hit hard, and that wasn’t even part of a major offensive. I expect the Ukrainians to conduct multiple “softening up” actions all along the Russian lines in preparation for their main offensive. By striking all along the Russian lines, the Russians won’t know where the main thrust of the “spring offensive” will be focused when it does happen. The Ukrainians recent comments regarding Crimea creates more uncertainty for Russia in regards to Ukraine’s military intentions.

Spring is coming.

 

[BabyBoomer50s]

Trump saying that Russia will prevail in Ukraine is NOT the same as supporting Russia's invasion. It is a fair real world assessment of what is transpiring. He is being honest, even if not a popular view in some circles. RG's point shouldn't be overlooked, this is going to happen under Biden's watch, not Trumps. The only way to stop this is for a full on NATO intervention and the Europeans are NOT gong to buy into a nuclear exchange even if some of the more rabid individuals in the administration think it's OK and winnable. And if you think Putin won't resort to nukes in that event, you're wrong. He knows he can't win in a head to head confrontation with NATO and won't hesitate to escalate.

For all intents and purposes Ukraine is already done. Russia already occupies the industrial east leaving only the agricultural west to be overrun. Because the industrialized portion is occupied Ukraine cannot aid in replenishing it war stocks. The refugees that have left Ukraine are not coming back, there's nothing left to come back to. Russia has trapped Ukraine into a war of attrition and that is a type of war that Ukraine cannot win no matter how much material we throw their way.

So what is the possible strategy in supplying the Ukrainians the way we are? One possible answer is to bloody the Russians to the point that after they take Ukraine they'll be so depleted that they'll be unable to molest their other neighbors. It's the Russians that will trapped in a guerrilla war (the Ukrainians are not going to stop being a thorn in Russia's backside) to which they will have to commit a great number of occupation troops. They will also be saddled with having to foot the bill for rebuilding, assuming they're even interested in doing so.

I don't expect Ukraine to survive to see next winter.

Just to be clear, I did not say Trump supports Russia’s invasion but your points are well taken.

 

[icanhelp1]

^^^^^
And then China invades Taiwan.

 

[icanhelp1]

Just to be clear, I did not say Trump supports Russia’s invasion but your points are well taken.

There’s no way Ukraine can win this unless Putin drops dead or the west provides a ton of stuff. I mean the stuff that tilts the balance in air superiority. Armor is only as good as overhead cover. Biden’s trickle of weapons does nothing more than delay the inevitable. If NATO troops aren’t added to the equation it’s a war of attrition were Russia has the upper hand in numbers.

 

[Chobham]

That is what you want to happen, isn't it?

Stop projecting, the real world isn't based on dreams and wishes.

The Russians are throwing upwards of 500K troops into the mix while the Ukrainians have, maybe, 100K combat effectives. Both sides are heavily engaged at Bakmut where they are trading casualties at 1:1. You do the math on that outcome.

Why Bakmut? Bakmut is a major rail hub and once in Russian possession it will allow them to move troops and materials to any point in the front that they deem necessary. It is effectively Bastogne at this point in the conflict and the Ukrainians can't afford to let it fall but they don't have the troops to win.

The Russians have fully ramped up their munitions industry, the West hasn't and are depleting finite stocks.

 

[icanhelp1]

Trump isn't the only per saying this. Qualified military sources are saying the same thing. The media just isn't covering the war and there's a reason why. It isn't going our way and Joe Biden is likely on the precipice of yet another foreign policy disaster.

Biden certainly isn’t a military tactician, just look how he handled Afghanistan. Biden is sleepwalking through this potential disaster.

 

[ll74]

Biden certainly isn’t a military tactician, just look how he handled Afghanistan. Biden is sleepwalking through this potential disaster.

Seems like you don't like him. Who would've guessed

 

[Lazaran]

So America still being bogged down in Afghanistan would be helpful as we deal with Russia’s invasion of Ukraine??? As we deal with China’s aggression towards Taiwan???

Also, for the record: The exit from Afghanistan under President Biden’s leadership was an amazing feat of military coordination.

Those who think the one terror bombing that occurred cast the whole operation as a failure are complete idiots, and dishonor those who died.

The military performed exceptionally well.

 

[icanhelp1]

Trump was wrong for wanting to leave Afghanistan and so was Biden. Abandoning Bagram air base was a strategic mistake and we’ll pay for that mistake for years to come.

 

[ll74]

Trump was wrong for wanting to leave Afghanistan and so was Biden. Abandoning Bagram air base was a strategic mistake and we’ll pay for that mistake for years to come.

He was wrong fr negotiating with the Taliban.

 

[JohnEngelman]

Until this invasion I had no idea how evil Putin was. I knew he was authoritarian, but I thought that was what the Russian people wanted and needed at this time.

Putin thought the conquest of Ukraine would be easy. When it turned out to be difficult he did not know how to back out while saving face, so he escalated.

This war could have easily been avoided. Ukraine was not a threat to Russia. Neither was NATO. No Western leader wants to invade Russia. If Russia wins this war Russia will be much worse off than before starting it. If Russia loses, the Russian Federation may break up like the Soviet Union did.