Trump agrees with Andrew Yang

[DeluxAuto]

Free money to all!. All hail socialism!

 

[Bas_van_Fraassen]

I kinda figured UBI was inevitable, whether it happened in a matter of years or decades. And that exceptional events could trigger it, and not only creeping automation. But I didn't expect this.

 

[dp4shelly]

2+2 = 5

I kinda figured UBI was inevitable, whether it happened in a matter of years or decades. And that exceptional events could trigger it, and not only creeping automation. But I didn't expect this.

I think conflating this with UBI is kind of missing the point. But then again Big Brother likes people to believe that 2+2 = 5.

 

[Sean Renaud]

This is more of a one shot thing I'd assume than UBI in any real sense of the word.

 

[rae121452]

fuck yeah! gimme mines now! mo money, mo money, mo money! i'm old and at risk, can i get extra?

 

[Botanical11B]

Free money to all!. All hail socialism!

So you don't know what socialism is either....shocking.

I kinda figured UBI was inevitable

People have been figuring that for over a century....never really just happened, it's been a tooth pulling thing to even experiment with and it's failed everywhere it's been tried.

Inevitable is a bit of a strong word.

This is more of a one shot thing I'd assume than UBI in any real sense of the word.

Yes.....a common mans bail out.

Trump, more of a working mans liberal Democrat than Democrats have been in 57 years and the Democrats hate him for it

 

[DeluxAuto]

Thank you for being brave, botanical. Many of you are scared to step up.

 

[Bas_van_Fraassen]

I think conflating this with UBI is kind of missing the point. But then again Big Brother likes people to believe that 2+2 = 5.

I never said this program, or any particular UBI program, would exist in perpetuity. But I've also never seen evidence you're capable of critical thinking.

 

[Bas_van_Fraassen]

So you don't know what socialism is either....shocking.



People have been figuring that for over a century....never really just happened, it's been a tooth pulling thing to even experiment with and it's failed everywhere it's been tried.

Inevitable is a bit of a strong word.



Yes.....a common mans bail out.

Trump, more of a working mans liberal Democrat than Democrats have been in 57 years and the Democrats hate him for it

Possibly a strong word, but I would argue that it probably is inevitable. Or if not, then an alternative that's meant to fill the role of UBI is inevitable. Human work will, in all likelihood, become obsolete this century. The global economy is going to have to adapt somehow.

 

[DeluxAuto]

Possibly a strong word, but I would argue that it probably is inevitable. Or if not, then an alternative that's meant to fill the role of UBI is inevitable. Human work will, in all likelihood, become obsolete this century. The global economy is going to have to adapt somehow.

Botany's fake children are glad he spends more time embarrassing himself here than at their fake schools. *fixes yarmulke*

 

[Botanical11B]

Thank you for being brave, botanical. Many of you are scared to step up.

"you" being??

Botany's fake children are glad he spends more time embarrassing himself here than at their fake schools. *fixes yarmulke*

Now my kids are fake because you fucked up and got caught dishonestly trying to conflate heritage with family?

Brilliant

 

[Botanical11B]

Possibly a strong word, but I would argue that it probably is inevitable. Or if not, then an alternative that's meant to fill the role of UBI is inevitable.

I can appreciate this POV.

I disagree that it's inevitable, but I think an alternative that's mean to fill the role of it is possible.

Being a big sci-fi fan I think that alternative is post scarcity.

Tech will be key, and likely a ways off....but Star Trek.

People won't have to worry about food, housing, most services etc. materialism just won't be as important of a thing, it won't be a status symbol anymore.

People will invest their time in themselves and or their families instead of putting food on the table and a roof over their head.

That kinda shit is just isn't of value anymore.
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Human work will, in all likelihood, become obsolete this century. The global economy is going to have to adapt somehow.

As we understand it absolutely.

Think about what we consider work today vs 100 years ago. Nearly every job from back then is now gone.

Think about the most valuable jobs today, a large number of them didn't even exist 30 years ago.

It will adapt...the economy is people and as much as people love to bitch about it we are good at adapting.

 

[SithLordSexyPants1]

Free money to all!. All hail socialism!

Waiting for McConnell and the Senate Republicans to block it because they hate socialism, except when they personally gain from it.

 

[Sean Renaud]

He threatens to do one good thing and we're supposed to overlook all the rest of what he's done? Sounds legit.

 

[Botanical11B]

Waiting for McConnell and the Senate Republicans to block it because they hate socialism, except when they personally gain from it.

Why? It's not socialism.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Nothing is socialism if a Republican likes it.

 

[Botanical11B]

Nothing is socialism if a Republican likes it.

Except collective/state control, ownership and or administration of the means of production.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Except collective/state control, ownership and or administration of the means of production.

Unless a Republican likes it. Then it stops being socialism and becomes a necessary function of the state almost immediately.

 

[Curmudgeonly]

What could possibly go wrong with devaluing the currency by giving away money created by deficit spending?

 

[Sean Renaud]

What could possibly go wrong with devaluing the currency by giving away money created by deficit spending?

There is no particular reason to think an amount this small would devalue the currency, at least not to an appreciable degree. We already know that the minimum wage has no real effect on inflation, why would a one time drop used primarily to cover bills would be a different?

 

[badbabysitter]

Except collective/state control, ownership and or administration of the means of production.

Still hinging everything on that?

Fine, if an entire philosophy is hinged on one aspect of it.. you as a "classic liberal" must embrace that all people and cultures are morally equal


If you dont accept that, then clearly you dont get " classic liberalism"


Go collect your welfare check, cheerleader

 

[Botanical11B]

Unless a Republican likes it. Then it stops being socialism and becomes a necessary function of the state almost immediately.

Never seen a Republican advocate nationalizing any industries.......so far that's been the exclusive domain of the looniest of (D)'eez. M. Waters, K. Ellison, E. Warrnen, B. Sandaz, "the Squad" etc.

If you know of any (R)'s advocating the government takeover of entire industries/markets by all means, I'd love to see it so I can ridicule the commie scum for being commie scum.

Still hinging everything on that?

"That" being the defining core feature of socialism according to pretty much every encyclopedia, poli-sci textbook and dictionary available??

Yea.

How do you define socialism?? What do you think makes socialism socialism if not collective ownership/control of the means of production??

Fine, if an entire philosophy is hinged on one aspect of it.. you as a "classic liberal" must embrace that all people and cultures are morally equal

If you dont accept that, then clearly you dont get " classic liberalism"

What you're doing here is trying to redefine "classical liberalism" as multiculturalism and moral relativism.

And while there might be an obscure but interesting argument in there I'd be surprised if you could cite a single reference of any reputation that uses the definition of multiculturalism or moral relativism as any feature of much less the core philosophy of liberalism. Non-interventionism sure.... but cultural/moral relativist tend to run in "woke" and radical leftist circles, not liberal ones.

In the real world Liberalism is defined by the belief that the primary concern of government should be enhancing and protecting the liberty of the individual.

Being that I understand, accept and encourage both negative AND positive liberty I'm what's called a 'social liberal', not a classical liberal, the difference is subtle but it is a difference.

Go collect your welfare check, cheerleader

I don't get any welfare checks.

 

[SpeareChucker]

Voice of sanity: https://reason.com/2020/03/17/congr...icopter-money-response-to-coronavirus-crisis/

 

[JohnnySavage]

I hope the Donald sends me $1,000. I have my eye on a shiny new Henry .45-70

 

[phrodeau]

Nobody has to cash the checks.