"True the Vote" Still Out to Screw the Vote

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'True the Vote' Still Out to Screw the Vote

Brentin Mock on May 1, 2012 - 11:37 AM ET

Just two weeks ago a Rasmussen poll showed that 64 percent of Americans believe voter fraud exists. That poll was a major hit with the folks at the pro–voter ID True the Vote conference held over the weekend in Houston. No less than three speakers mentioned it to the crowd of roughly 200 attendees. According to conference host and True the Vote president Catherine Engelbrecht, thirty-two states were represented here for their third national summit, but it was clear most in the room were from Texas. Many appeared to be part of one Tea Party group or another (True the Vote is the 501c3 arm of the King Street Patriots, a Texas Tea Party group), and none seemed to be aware that they were far from losing the war on voting.

They were stuck in a reality that was unfamiliar to anyone who’s been paying attention to voter issues. Speakers—among them Heritage Foundation’s Hans Von Spakovsky, Judicial Watch’s Tom Fitton and former title-challenged DOJ employee J. Christian Adams—spoke about the voter ID cause as if they were failing, as if sixteen states didn’t pass photo voter ID laws, most of them in just the past eighteen months. As if a federal court didn’t just validate a strict photo voter ID law in Arizona the week before the conference.

It didn’t stop there. Liberals own the media and have been framing the debate around voter IDs while giving favorable coverage to the Obama administration, said a conservative consultant during a PowerPoint on who “real mainstream Americans” are. He claimed this after mentioning the Rasmussen poll that seemed to indicate otherwise and during a weekend when one of the top trending stories was how Obama was getting more negative press than Mitt Romney.

Topping it off, former Congressman Artur Davis (yes, that one) had some kind words for the protesters outside the conference. But if there were actual protesters, they must have been invisible. The only people gathered outside the conference hotel were a bunch of African-American motorcycle clubs on their bikes, a few of whom told me they had no idea who True the Vote was or that they had a conference going on.

As for those actually there to hear True the Vote, there were as many African-Americans found in the audience as are found cases of voter impersonation fraud, less than one percent. I was one of maybe six African-Americans scattered among the group. Two others were Davis and Anita Moncrief, a “whistleblower” for True the Vote’s old enemy ACORN. Between her and Davis—both opening speakers for the conference—they gave the Tea Partyin’ (Starbucks coffee&endash;gulping) crowd enough ammo for their weaponization against their new enemies: the Advancement Project, the Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights, the Brennan Center for Justice and their archnemesis, the Department of Justice.

“The Department of Justice has gone wild,” Moncrief told the room. “It is not working on behalf of the American people. It is working for these pressure groups,” she said after rattling off a litany of alleged fraudulent, sinister activities that her former employer ACORN used to do. Among those activities was producing the “ACORN Socialist Wishlist”—the secret agenda that President Obama will soon unleash upon Americans. On that list: environmental justice, which Montcrief described as “EPA regulations gone wild.”

Davis took it further. He told them that when people “use the word ‘rights’ ”—voting rights, civil rights, human rights—that what they mean is “they don’t want any responsibility,” comparing rights-seekers to people who who want jobs, but don’t want to show up for work. He indulged the Tea Partiers’ indignation, telling them, “Don’t let anyone tell you you are what’s wrong with America, you are what’s right with America!”

These were great setups for American Spectator senior editor John Fund, who said the next day that “the biggest victims of voter fraud are minorities”—to no applause. He assured the crowd that the real good in their fight for voter ID laws was to protect the very black and Latino people such laws would hamper. This moved nobody, especially as he told them, “Some of us who live in nice suburban areas…we’re insulated from” voter fraud. It was less proof that he cared about “minorities” and unintentionally more evidence that when it comes to having equal protection under the law and resources for democratic participation, place matters. But Fund reminded the audience of the Rasmussen numbers, which also said roughly two-thirds of African-American respondents believed voter fraud existed.

If so many people believe voter fraud exists, it’s only because these groups have been successful in spreading myths while suppressing the truth, which is that you have a better chance of finding Michelle Obama in a Burger King than you will find voter fraud in a poll booth. All weekend they recycled anecdotes about voter registration problems—animated by James O’Keefe’s wannabe-Borat-but-missing-the-point films. Registration errors also occur at insignificant rates, and photo voter ID laws do little to address that. But people see the O’Keefe shenanigans or hear Moncrief talk about evil ACORN plots to take over the world by registering Jive S. Turkey to vote, and they become convinced that voter fraud exists.

It’s like the Koch-funded propaganda campaigns to block climate change truths by declaring it a hoax. Except here they use an actual hoax—voter fraud—to block voting rights. In this arena, contrary to True the Vote’s speakers, these campaigns appear to be winning, if only in the sense that democracy loses every time a state passes a photo voter ID law.

The voting rights army is not befallen yet, though. Just before Houston, I attended the W. K. Kellogg Foundation “America Healing—Healing for Democracy” conference in New Orleans, where I heard Advancement Project Co-Director Judith Browne-Dianis, Southwest Worker’s Union Director Genaro Lopez-Rendon and Blue Stone Strategy Vice President Alvin Warren address voter suppression. They discussed many battles they’ve been gaining ground on in communities and courthouses, getting people registered to vote and removing barriers to the polls. They all spoke of groundwork in terms of finding those who needed ID, citizenship or birth documents, and getting people engaged in the electoral process for November 2012 and beyond.

I was curious about the fictitious protesters Artur Davis warned the crowd of, while warning them about equally fictitious voter fraud. I asked Christina Sanders, the Houston-based director of the Texas League of Young Voters Education Fund why none of the state’s voting rights groups showed up for the protests Davis feared. No time for it, said Sanders. They’re too busy getting ready for the showdown between Texas and the Department of Justice over a strict photo voter ID law. League of Young Voters Education Fund is on the lawsuit.

“Marches and protests,” said Sanders, “I support them. I won’t be the one to organize them, though. We’re fighting this one in the courtroom.”
 
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how dare we ask for ID when voting. if we did that how can the illegals, dead people vote?

what if I want to vote 10 times? having to use a ID would really hamper that effort

how long have you been having fantasies about being a lawyer? why don't you focus on construction, this way, you might possible dig your head out of your ass
 
how dare we ask for ID when voting. if we did that how can the illegals, dead people vote?

what if I want to vote 10 times? having to use a ID would really hamper that effort

how long have you been having fantasies about being a lawyer? why don't you focus on construction, this way, you might possible dig your head out of your ass

Illegals can't register to vote in the first place, so a lack of ID doesn't actually do much.

Voting ten times would require a good bit of luck in the real world, and is difficult to the point of not being worth th work in real life.

Don't get me wrong I'm all about a national ID that's the same in Alaska as it is in Florida. That's more about keeping 18 year olds out bars though than voter fraud.
 
Illegals can't register to vote in the first place, so a lack of ID doesn't actually do much.

Voting ten times would require a good bit of luck in the real world, and is difficult to the point of not being worth th work in real life.

Don't get me wrong I'm all about a national ID that's the same in Alaska as it is in Florida. That's more about keeping 18 year olds out bars though than voter fraud.



bla bla bla stop being so stupid! what does it take to get registered? its pretty easy to get a voter id card

why not make the vote count, and demand a DL, passport, and voter ID card?

oh I know, you democrats socialist dumb fucktards hate logic
 
bla bla bla stop being so stupid! what does it take to get registered? its pretty easy to get a voter id card

why not make the vote count, and demand a DL, passport, and voter ID card?

oh I know, you democrats socialist dumb fucktards hate logic

Because that would exclude the vast majority of Americans. It would be great for people like you who hate freedom and want theirs taken away but it would be a problem for people like me.

Also I already said support a National ID.
 
Because that would exclude the vast majority of Americans. It would be great for people like you who hate freedom and want theirs taken away but it would be a problem for people like me.

Also I already said support a National ID.


Sean, your mind hold you back. free yourself! once you take a personal inventory you will see how dark your heart is but there is hope for you! you can become successful and end the poverty cycle!
 
Oreo is the King of Paranoia. He probably looks under his bed before going to sleep at night.
 
Oreo is the King of Paranoia. He probably looks under his bed before going to sleep at night.

he still has to live with what's left of his conscious. deep down, people like him know that they are complete and total fucktards! they abuse the system, looking for free hand outs.

if he had any pride, he would be embarrassed.

what a family legacy kingoforeo will leave behind that of consuming entitlements
 
bla bla bla stop being so stupid! what does it take to get registered? its pretty easy to get a voter id card

why not make the vote count, and demand a DL, passport, and voter ID card?

oh I know, you democrats socialist dumb fucktards hate logic

because your theory doesnt work and has never worked in practical application
 
he still has to live with what's left of his conscious. deep down, people like him know that they are complete and total fucktards! they abuse the system, looking for free hand outs.

if he had any pride, he would be embarrassed.

what a family legacy kingoforeo will leave behind that of consuming entitlements

hows the job hunt going?
 
and there we go, everything should be free. don't you have any pride? don't you have a backbone?

who should pay for this ID?

The tax payers. National ID should be completely free to the citizens. You're ability to hold down a job should not have any effect on your ability to vote.

I support one by the way.
 
The tax payers. National ID should be completely free to the citizens. You're ability to hold down a job should not have any effect on your ability to vote.

I support one by the way.

or cash welfare checks

end the madness, its time that people pay their OWN way through life
 
he still has to live with what's left of his conscious. deep down, people like him know that they are complete and total fucktards! they abuse the system, looking for free hand outs.

if he had any pride, he would be embarrassed.

what a family legacy kingoforeo will leave behind that of consuming entitlements

How do you know he gets handouts?
 
More:

Conservatives Make Nonsense Arguments Against Voting Rights

Ben Adler on May 6, 2012 - 5:56 PM ET

As the media shine a spotlight on conservative efforts to disenfranchise Democratic voters through aggressive anti–voting fraud measures, conservatives have begun their counterattack. A pair of op-eds published by conservative activists and pundits in the wake of a national anti&endash;voter fraud conference in Houston demonstrates the approach they will take. They also provide a case study in disingenuous, tautological conservative argumentation. They use statistics that are misleading, irrelevant or evidence of nothing more than the success of their own propaganda.

Both pieces cite polling data showing majorities support requiring voters to show photo identification. “Rasmussen Reports showed that 73 percent of Americans approve of Photo ID laws—and in fact, states that have Photo ID in place are seeing increased turnout at the polls, including minority groups (according to data from Indiana and Georgia),” writes Catherine Engelbrecht, the founder and president of True the Vote, a conservative anti-voter fraud group in Houston which sponsored the recent conference.

John Fund of National Review cites the same source. “A brand-new Rasmussen Reports poll finds that 64 percent of Americans believe voter fraud is a serious problem, with whites registering 63 percent agreement and African-Americans 64 percent,” he writes. “A Fox News poll taken last month found that 70 percent of Americans support requiring voters to show ‘state or federally issued photo identification’ to prove their identity and citizenship before casting a ballot. Majorities of all demographic groups agreed on the need for photo ID, including 58 percent of non-white voters, 52 percent of liberals and 52 percent of Democrats.”

These are circular arguments. Rasmussen Reports and Fox News are both Republican-leaning. Conservatives love to cite poll numbers, especially from sympathetic pollsters, that the public agrees with a false claim as if that made it true. But it doesn’t. Rasmussen finds 73 percent think photo ID requirements “do not discriminate.” That’s up from 69 percent the previous time Rasmussen asked the question. Does that mean photo ID laws became 4 percent less discriminatory during the intervening five months?

Whether voter fraud is a regular occurrence, and whether photo ID laws discriminate by disproportionately disenfranchising minorities, city-dwellers, young people and the disabled are matters of fact, not opinion. They should be answered empirically, not by taking a poll. One needs to only look at the data to discover that in-person voter fraud is virtually nonexistent in the United States today. The Republican solution to this imaginary problem, photo identification requirements, is clearly discriminatory, because members of some demographic groups are much less likely to have IDs than others.

If polling shows that a majority of the public disagrees with these factual findings, that just proves they are ignorant or that they have been misled by conservative propaganda. And then conservatives turn around and cite the evidence of mass ignorance, or successful conservative propaganda, as proof that their false claims are true.

Even the majorities in favor of photo ID laws cited by Engelbrecht and Fund are not dispositive. Unlike incorrect beliefs about factual matters, popular opinion on what voting law should be does have some relevance. But unlike some other policy matters, voting rights law should not be decided solely on the basis of popular opinion. Voting rights are civil rights. And it is a fundamental American value that civil rights cannot always be legislated away. A majority’s desire to oppress or disenfranchise the minority must be constrained.

The remainder of Engelbrecht’s and Fund’s analysis are mere sophistry and speculation. That’s election law expert Rick Hasen awarded Fund’s piece the “Fraudulent Fraud Squad Quote of the Day” for the following contention: “Most fraudsters are smart enough to have their accomplices cast votes in the names of dead people on the voter rolls, who are highly unlikely to appear and complain that someone else voted in their place.”

Hasen responds, “I’d love to see the evidence of a single election in the last quarter of a century in which in person impersonation voter fraud using dead people affected the outcome of an election.” Opinion polls notwithstanding, photo ID laws remain a solution in search of a problem.
 
I'm still waiting for some concrete proof of voter fraud at the polling places, enough to affect the outcome of an election. Heck, I'd settle for enough to warrant the expense of issuing everyone an ID. The 1000's of electronic votes that went poof in FL some years back don't count since they were never found, but then that's the beauty of electronic voting using closed code and no audit trail. Never any evidence.

It's really peculiar people go on and on about voter fraud and don't give a crap about the potential for fraud in electronic voting, a much more real possibility that could actually affect an election outcome.
 
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