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Trayvon thought Zimmerman was Gay!
Trayvon thought Zimmerman was Gay!
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I'm not sure which is worse, the fact you thought anything Rush Limbaugh had to say was truthful, and accurate, or that you went to see what he said about anything.
All I know is I wish the media and the DOJ had been half this concerned when we had an ambassador killed on foreign soil.
If the DOJ goe after Zimmerman it is nothing short of bullshit. The DOJ does not belong getting involved in "wrongful death" suits unless they are going to get involved with all of them.
Whole things a cluster fuck right down to the fact the mass media is disappointed the protests are peaceful. Absolutely disgusting they have spent an entire year trying to incite a race riot.
And admiral that the people protesting have shown restraint and not made themselves look like animals which is exactly what was wanted here.
This country is in sad shape.
All I know is I wish the media and the DOJ had been half this concerned when we had an ambassador killed on foreign soil.
If the DOJ goe after Zimmerman it is nothing short of bullshit. The DOJ does not belong getting involved in "wrongful death" suits unless they are going to get involved with all of them.
Whole things a cluster fuck right down to the fact the mass media is disappointed the protests are peaceful. Absolutely disgusting they have spent an entire year trying to incite a race riot.
And admiral that the people protesting have shown restraint and not made themselves look like animals which is exactly what was wanted here.
This country is in sad shape.
What your wonderful source, Rushie boy, failed to point out was Zimmerman, racist or no, used racial profiling, if Trayvon had been pale(as in pale face) Zimmerman would not have followed him.
It really doesn't matter what Trayvon felt, if Zimmerman would have followed what he was told to do by the 911 operator, Trayvon would be alive.
If Zimmerman had been black and Trayvon pale, what would have happened is, he would have been arrested at the scene, later charged with murder or man slaughter and convicted. Double so in a racist state like Florida.
By the way using racial profiling to kill Trayvon was a violation of his civil rights.
For the most vocally homophobic man who post on the Author's Hangout board to accuse someone else of being homophobic in incomprehensible.
By the way if you'd have checked out the facts, something your good buddy Rushie didn't do.
"Rachel Jeantel said she told Martin to run from George Zimmerman because he might be a rapist". Trayvon didn't run he walked away and Zimmerman stalked him.
So it wasn't anything Trayvon said and we have no way of knowing what he thought. He's dead, he was shot and killed by George Zimmerman.
Why waste my words, you're a just another racist good old boy.
What your wonderful source, Rushie boy, failed to point out was Zimmerman, racist or no, used racial profiling, if Trayvon had been pale(as in pale face) Zimmerman would not have followed him.
It really doesn't matter what Trayvon felt, if Zimmerman would have followed what he was told to do by the 911 operator, Trayvon would be alive.
If Zimmerman had been black and Trayvon pale, what would have happened is, he would have been arrested at the scene, later charged with murder or man slaughter and convicted. Double so in a racist state like Florida.
By the way using racial profiling to kill Trayvon was a violation of his civil rights.
For the most vocally homophobic man who post on the Author's Hangout board to accuse someone else of being homophobic in incomprehensible.
Oh, it was established that he walked away? That's certainly significant, if true. Source please--or are you leaning too far in the other direction just to (over)argue your point? (and therefore not going to bother to respond.)
I think neither one walked away or was guiltless. But I'd certainly change my mind on that (not that my opinion matters to the actual situation) seeing something cited from a credible source (which, no, doesn't include Rush Limbaugh, it should go without saying).
I think both exhibited the easily stirred up, going straight to rancor and violence, polarized attitude that we even see a lot of right on this forum--not to mention this thread. An angry nation/forum looking for someone to blame, hate, and hurt.
Not putting a gag order on the jury certainly has stirred up the waters. A second wind for the media. I'm so tired of turning to the supposed "developing" news channels--just to make sure that nothing catastrophic is happening--just to see them all running the same interview tapes on this case. I've already sent a query to CNN asking why they bother to have two channels anymore.
All you have to do is listen to the tapes, Zimmerman's call to the police dispatch, Zimmerman's first recorded interview with police. Along with proving Zimmerman did profile Trayvon and the following.
The facts from the tapes. George Zimmerman followed Trayvon Martin while in his car even after the dispatcher told him not to. Trayvon was not running at this time he was walking. Trayvon later approached George's car, walked around the car then ran away. Zimmerman states he doesn't know why Trayvon ran, he had his car windows up and doors locked because he was very afraid but he exits his car to get an address, not the actions of a man in fear. The dispatcher tells him he doesn't need an address they know where his car is and to wait for the police. He doesn't wait but he state he wasn't following Trayvon but he may have been walking in the direction Trayvon went, again not the action of a man in fear. Zimmerman then states he decided to return to his car but instead of returning to his car, he leaves the street and walks between two sets of town homes to their back yards. He later states he may have seen Trayvon walk or run between those town homes, he's not sure. This is where the tragedy happened.
We all know George's story as to what happened next. What you may not know is that when the first witness and the first police officer arrived Zimmerman was on top of Trayvon holding Trayvon's hands over his head, this is according to Zimmerman as recorded in the first police interview. Zimmerman's explanation was he was trying to help Trayvon, some help, he's sitting on top of a boy he's just shot, who isn't dead yet, holding the boy's hands over his head.
I do agree with you the press along with talk radio and TV, on both sides, did and still is going overboard. Personally I believe George Zimmerman is guilty of manslaughter(unintentional homicide). I don't believe Zimmerman intended to kill Trayvon. If the prosecution would not have over reached they could have proved manslaughter. The defense did their job they proved reasonable doubt.
The press on both side only spoon feeds the public what they want them to hear, know. In some cases the transcripts of the recorded evidence, between both sides, are unbelievably inaccurate. If you're interested you can hear most of the interviews here http://trayvon.axiomamnesia.com/ and form your own opinion.
I didn't listen to all the tapes, no. Only snippets here and there on the interminable news coverage. The whole "stand your ground" issue, however, revolves around the moment when they did directly face off against each other. The prosecution had to be incompetent (and there's evidence they were) not to establish that it was Martin standing his ground at that point, not Zimmerman, or they must have accepted that Martin initiated the physical contact--became offense rather than holding his ground. So, I wonder if the defense was able to establish that it was Zimmerman standing his ground better than the prosecution could (or even tried to) establish that it was Martin standing his ground at that point. We'll see what happens on appeal.
Somewhere recently one factor I was holding against Martin was time of day. It appears it was only about 7 pm. I had thought that it was later at night. It was a gated community. If he wasn't a resident or visiting a resident Martin had no business being there from the get go, and I would find it reasonable for a resident or watch officer (it's not clear to me that Zimmerman was officially on duty as a watch officer rather than just being an off-duty vigilante) to zero in on him and even challenge him. If he'd been there late at night, I'd hold it more against him for being there (and did until I heard it was earlier in the day).
I think I would have gone with manslaughter for Zimmerman at a minimum simply because Zimmerman left his vehicle when advised by authority not to do so.
But I don't see either zeroing in on Martin or challenging his right to be in a gated community (which was experiencing a spate of robberies) until/unless he did belong there as wrong. I think they both were confrontational and that that was what's really at fault (as I noted in my earlier posting)--that the whole atmosphere being flamed at the moment (including in posting behavior on this forum) is fomenting that.
The "stand your ground" concept obviously needs rework--by someone other than the NRA.
But I also find the lengths that yammering on profiling have gone to be out of whack. Get real. We all profile everyone who drifts by us--it's called having a healthy self-defense mechanism. And if we are more suspicious of some than others there's usually a healthy basis for having made that determination. There obviously needs to be some consideration of what is reasonable profiling for the circumstance and what is not, but the left is being just as ridiculous on this issue as the right is on stand your ground (with a gun), I think.
What surprises me is that there has been no outcry from the NRA crowd (ZEB?) claiming that if Trayvon had been armed, (like the Sandy Hook teachers should have been armed) he wouldn't have died needlessly. Is there a double standard for black kids wearing hoodies?
Contrary to the early news coverage, this was not a "stand your ground" case.
No, no, no.
An eye witness saw Zimmerman get atop Trayvon and fire 3 bullets into the kids back.
The medical examiner only found one bullet wound, and it entered Trayvons chest.
This can only mean one thing! Zimmerman had time to steal 2 bullet wounds and tamper with the evidence with the third wound.
I still say the screaming was VM fighting off a woman trying to get some nookie from him.