Travis Frey's Wifely Expectations

[Etoile]

The Smoking Gun has a copy of Travis Frey's "Wifely Expectations" document. (He is currently facing charges that he tried to kidnap his wife.)

The Smoking Gun refers to the contract as "repulsive," "sicko," and "bizarre." I read through it, and you know what? It sounded like a perfectly normal Master/slave contract to me. Some rules are a little over the top (measuring pubic hair in an equilateral triangle) but others are quite the norm in M/s relationships.

Personally, I am kind of offended by the degree to which TSG slams this document. Sure, vanilla people find kinky people a bit weird and freaky, but repulsive and sick? That's just a bit much.

What do you think of the document and TSG's reaction to it?

 

[graceanne]

Someone already had a thread on this, called domestic hiss. It should still be on the top page, gimme a sec while I find it.

 

[graceanne]

Here it is:

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=410491

 

[rosco rathbone]

Sometimes we get so wrapped up in our little fuck bubble that we forget that to most of the world, we are perverse and repulsive freeks.

 

[Blushing Bottom]

Speak for yourself kind sir. My erotica is most unpeverse and submissively beautiful.

Sometimes we get so wrapped up in our little fuck bubble that we forget that to most of the world, we are perverse and repulsive freeks.

 

[rosco rathbone]

Speak for yourself kind sir. My erotica is most unpeverse and submissively beautiful.

I'm talking about the perceptions of the outside world.

 

[Blushing Bottom]

Oh...sorry. I stand corrected.

I'm talking about the perceptions of the outside world.

 

[Etoile]

Someone already had a thread on this, called domestic hiss. It should still be on the top page, gimme a sec while I find it.

Oh damn. Sorry about that. http://www.amanita.net/images/smilies/embarassed.gif

Perhaps this discussion could focus on the reaction of The Smoking Gun rather than on the contract itself?

 

[Marquis]

Sometimes we get so wrapped up in our little fuck bubble that we forget that to most of the world, we are perverse and repulsive freeks.

I don't think I'd have it any other way.

 

[Quint]

I don't think I'd have it any other way.

I just re-realized (haven't felt this way since I started) that the general consensus of "dude, that's uncool" is a huge part of what makes it cool for me. Guess I'm just a taboo whore after all. But it's like, if my sex turns into the safe, PC, there-is-no-shame-because-we-are-all-created-in-God's-image, my imaginary penis just wilts. Long live the SSC, but for the love of God I don't want to think about it.

 

[Marquis]

I just re-realized (haven't felt this way since I started) that the general consensus of "dude, that's uncool" is a huge part of what makes it cool for me. Guess I'm just a taboo whore after all. But it's like, if my sex turns into the safe, PC, there-is-no-shame-because-we-are-all-created-in-God's-image, my imaginary penis just wilts. Long live the SSC, but for the love of God I don't want to think about it.

Word. Up.

 

[graceanne]

Sometimes we get so wrapped up in our little fuck bubble that we forget that to most of the world, we are perverse and repulsive freeks.

Know what kinda weird's me out? 10 years ago I'd have agreed with the author who wrote that article.

 

[Etoile]

I just re-realized (haven't felt this way since I started) that the general consensus of "dude, that's uncool" is a huge part of what makes it cool for me. Guess I'm just a taboo whore after all. But it's like, if my sex turns into the safe, PC, there-is-no-shame-because-we-are-all-created-in-God's-image, my imaginary penis just wilts. Long live the SSC, but for the love of God I don't want to think about it.

I totally get that. It's not the origin of my interest in kink, but it sure is a nice bonus!

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

It would be okay....if she had AGREED to a mutual contract. Fine and dandy. However, this WASN'T a contract. It was a unilateral regimen imposed by one guy on his wife without her consent. That is the only REAL issue with it. Otherwise, it would just be a very stringent and demanding Master and his slave.

 

[raven2]

It would be okay....if she had AGREED to a mutual contract. Fine and dandy. However, this WASN'T a contract. It was a unilateral regimen imposed by one guy on his wife without her consent. That is the only REAL issue with it. Otherwise, it would just be a very stringent and demanding Master and his slave.

Very well said.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Thanks. I thought so.

 

[catalina_francisco]

It would be okay....if she had AGREED to a mutual contract. Fine and dandy. However, this WASN'T a contract. It was a unilateral regimen imposed by one guy on his wife without her consent. That is the only REAL issue with it.

So she claims, but if you go to the link I provided in the Cafe thread, and do a bit of reading, he didn't get to impose anything apart from allegedly tying her to the bed and allegedly having sex with her 3 times (which perhaps she agreed to and later felt awkward about given her church background). Apparently she has no complaints about the last 9 years of marriage, and this allegedly happened out of the blue because he was angry she took their daughters to church (and yet church is mentioned in the rules as a place they would normally go so why would that make him angry?), and as a result he tied her up and had sex with her (and yet the so called rules say that would continue until she was willing to behave again so what happened to set her free?). Interestingly according to his defence no one has been able to provide proof the rules were drawn up by him, and were according to her allegedly produced at the same time as this alleged kidnapping
( still find that strange way to identify kidnap) and sexual assault. Doesn't add up in her favour by far to me.

Catalina

 

[graceanne]

So she claims, but if you go to the link I provided in the Cafe thread, and do a bit of reading, he didn't get to impose anything apart from allegedly tying her to the bed and allegedly having sex with her 3 times (which perhaps she agreed to and later felt awkward about given her church background). Apparently she has no complaints about the last 9 years of marriage, and this allegedly happened out of the blue because he was angry she took their daughters to church (and yet church is mentioned in the rules as a place they would normally go so why would that make him angry?), and as a result he tied her up and had sex with her (and yet the so called rules say that would continue until she was willing to behave again so what happened to set her free?). Interestingly according to his defence no one has been able to provide proof the rules were drawn up by him, and were according to her allegedly produced at the same time as this alleged kidnapping
( still find that strange way to identify kidnap) and sexual assault. Doesn't add up in her favour by far to me.

Catalina

In some states holding someone against their will will get you a kidnap charge.

 

[Never]

Etoile:
"What do you think of the document and TSG's reaction to it?"

My immediate reaction to the document was, "Thank god not all dom/mes have type A personalities." If someone actually whipped out a ruler to measure my public hair, the gales of laughter I'd produce would lose me all sorts of GBDs. I find domly bean counting quite odd... but I like the font he used. I wonder, where'd he get it?

My reaction to The Smoking Gun intro was more of a shrug. There are still people who think anal sex is repulsive. They're right as it's repulsive to *them* and they're wrong as it's not repulsive to *me*. Same with 'sick.' I'm not offended that someone thinks this Wifely Contract is sick nor am I offended that they posted their opinion on their website. If this was non-consensual, I agree with them.

On the other hand, I doubt very my TSG finds it as disgusting as they say. After all, they are making it available to the public and I suspect are salivating over the number of hits it gets them. If they put it out there with a "We know you want it and we've highlighted the part where she has to swallow his load!" then the 'morally-outraged' audience might get angry at them.

All of which I do find offensive.

Quint:
"But it's like, if my sex turns into the safe, PC, there-is-no-shame-because-we-are-all-created-in-God's-image, my imaginary penis just wilts."

I'm the opposite. If my moral compass tells me something is bad then I'm not going to do it. If my moral compass tells me something isn't bad then at most I'll feel embarrassment.

Catalina:
"So she claims..."
I'm an innocent-until-proven-guilty type myself.

Still, it's possible that they were a D/s couple, that she decided she wanted out, and that he decided she didn't get a say in the matter. It's a phenomenon common to both the vanilla and kink world. The truth is, there are only two people who know what happened in that relationship and it's possible they have very different, but equally true to them, stories.

Thank goodness our omnipotent and infallible justice system is on the case.

 

[Etoile]

Never, darling, how wonderful to see you.

I like the font he used. I wonder, where'd he get it?

This was actually brought up on the Metafilter thread where I found this - I think somebody located one very similar. All the same though, I know some people (e.g., my wife) had a hard time reading the font, especially because it came through a fax machine, so I typed it out to aid in reading and searching for keywords.

On the other hand, I doubt very my TSG finds it as disgusting as they say. After all, they are making it available to the public and I suspect are salivating over the number of hits it gets them.

Oh, absolutely. That's a very good point. They definitely like to sensationalize at every opportunity.

Still, it's possible that they were a D/s couple, that she decided she wanted out, and that he decided she didn't get a say in the matter.

Ah, you've once again reminded me of another couple that's been in my mind while reading about this case. Oddly enough both men were named Travis. There's Travis Frey, and then there's Travis Anton, who was killed by his wife Susan Anton, otherwise known as web-famous slave extraordinaire Delia Day. Unfortunately there is very little information about what happened with the Antons...perhaps I should write to TSG and get them on the case, I know a lot of people are still curious about whatever happened to her. (Besides being found innocent because the jury felt she shot him in self-defense.)

 

[catalina_francisco]

There's Travis Frey, and then there's Travis Anton, who was killed by his wife Susan Anton, otherwise known as web-famous slave extraordinaire Delia Day. Unfortunately there is very little information about what happened with the Antons...perhaps I should write to TSG and get them on the case, I know a lot of people are still curious about whatever happened to her. (Besides being found innocent because the jury felt she shot him in self-defense.)

As curious as I am too, I would think carefully before setting the press, especially TSG, onto her trail to satisfy our curiosity about what essentially is her life. We do not know what happened, but if as some speculated she did just crack given the extreme nature of their relationship, or even if it was accidental or self defence, it is possible she has worked hard to rebuild her life, her sense of self, her health, and to then have this all dragged into the public eye again with her the target, could have serious negative results.

Catalina

 

[s'lara]

Not perturbed by the contract.

Things left unsaid often show up in documents we're sure the public will never see. Like, oh say, journals?


lara

 

[Etoile]

As curious as I am too, I would think carefully before setting the press, especially TSG, onto her trail to satisfy our curiosity about what essentially is her life. We do not know what happened, but if as some speculated she did just crack given the extreme nature of their relationship, or even if it was accidental or self defence, it is possible she has worked hard to rebuild her life, her sense of self, her health, and to then have this all dragged into the public eye again with her the target, could have serious negative results.

You're absolutely right, of course. It is a very interesting situation but to be honest it is none of our business. I think the interest is in part provoked (for me, anyway) by how publicly she lived before the incident, and how quickly she disappeared, and how very little trace was left behind.

I wouldn't really contact anybody to ask about it - it's just wishful thinking on my part.

Delia, if you ever read this, I hope you are well.

 

[shy slave]

Just read the contract

Its not as extreme as I thought it would be.

It read to me as almost vanilla.

The only odd part was that fellatio was to be for 5 minutes

I dont think reading this and not being 'sickened etc' makes me a pervert.

It reminded me of the type of life a middle class victorian woman may have had in the Uk

 

[alice_underneath]

Personally, I am kind of offended by the degree to which TSG slams this document. Sure, vanilla people find kinky people a bit weird and freaky, but repulsive and sick? That's just a bit much.

What do you think of the document and TSG's reaction to it?

Aside from the mean-spirited sanctimonious jerks of the world, the only vanilla people who find kinky people weird, freaky, repulsive, or sick are the ones who just don't understand.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of people in that latter category.

And the primary thing that they don't understand is the idea of eager consent on the part of the pyl in a D/s style relationship. Not just consent in the sense of agreeing to various activities, but eagerness, desire, or fundamental need to be in the role of the pyl as well.

Further, they don't understand the distinction between the two types of sadists, or between a Dom and an abuser.

The result? Outrageous press like this.....

The strange allure of lethal lotharios

10:52 PM CST on Sunday, February 26, 2006

Former babe magnet Stephen Barbee will have to do without female companionship from here on out. Convicted Thursday of capital murder, he is officially and permanently out of circulation.

...... < snip > ...........

Mr. Barbee himself told police that he killed Ms. Underwood because she was badgering him to leave his wife.

What is it that renders otherwise decent, sensible women unable to tell the difference between an exciting, romantic "bad boy" and a sociopathic creep?

A handsome rogue is a guy who can josh you out of being mad when he forgot to pick up the dry cleaning. A man who knocks you unconscious is a dangerous nut.

You might say the same for Travis Frey, a less violent but equally crazy man in Iowa who has achieved modest notoriety in the last couple of weeks over a repulsive "marriage contract" he reportedly asked his wife to sign. The always-descriptive New York Daily News headlined this story "Perv's sicko pact."

Mr. Frey, 33, had some rather dictatorial ideas about how his wife should dress, behave, keep house and provide sexual services – I'll spare you the extremely sordid details, but they're spelled out in the contract obtained by the crafty records-procurers at TheSmokingGun.com (this isn't for kids!). I mention this because several readers have e-mailed me a link to this story, inviting me to join them in their outrage.

I join them indeed, but perhaps the most astonishing element of this story is that Mrs. Frey has been married to Mr. Frey for nine years . She gave the "contract" to police after he was arrested for tying her up and assaulting her.

You have to wonder what else this woman, not to mention the couple's two children, have endured over nine years of cohabiting with this man. You have to wonder what sort of peculiar scenes the children have witnessed, and what kind of bizarre ideas about relationships between men and women they have absorbed.

I'm not blaming victims here. Lisa Underwood and her son did not deserve to be smothered and dumped in a hole any more than Mr. Frey's wife deserved to be humiliated and abused.

But people – and, yes, in this case, I'm talking about women – need to exercise some common sense about the partners they pick.

Like most people, I have a lot of sympathy for Lisa Underwood. But it doesn't do her any good now.

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