Toxic coal sludge spill in Tennessee, air strikes in Gaza.

[shereads]

and Jay Leno's contract extended into prime time...

Why isn't everybody clinically depressed?

 

[Liar]

After all those years, I still can't comprehend how a guy who kills his own jokes by refusing to shut up after the punchline gets to be America's top late night entertainer.

Anyone?

 

[rgraham666]

Because I already am.

Luckily I don't watch TV or pay much attention to the news.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

1. Despite everyone's perfectly justifiable fears, I haven't seen any evidence that the coal ash is toxic.

2. Hamas kept firing rockets into Isreal in spite of being told that response would come if they didn't quit. What's to be depressed about? When you insist on kicking Boota in the shins, eventually even that most mild-mannered of big guys is liable to punch your lights out.

And I've been clinically depressed and see no future in it.

 

[jomar]

Prime time? I thought it would just continue and Conan would still have to stay up late.

 

[cantdog]

and Jay Leno's contract extended into prime time...

Why isn't everybody clinically depressed?

Shh! We're trying to keep away from the clinics, and here you come along, pointing fingers.

 

[shereads]

1. Despite everyone's perfectly justifiable fears, I haven't seen any evidence that the coal ash is toxic.

Contains arsenic, mercury, lead and other heavy metals; fish dying downstream from the spill; Jay Leno.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Contains arsenic, mercury, lead and other heavy metals; fish dying downstream from the spill; Jay Leno.

Not the most reliable of sources, Jay. Yeah, it contains heavy metals and thus is cause for concern but the state department of resources, last time I heard, said that they had no evidence that it was a danger to anyone or thing while admitting that they were trying to clean it up ASAP. If for no other reason that it made a hideous mess!

 

[shereads]

the state department of resources, last time I heard, said that they had no evidence that it was a danger to anyone or thing

What else would they say?

"You people are royally screwed. Lawyer up."

BTW, I didn't reference Jay Leno as a source. I listed him as a component of coal sludge.

 

[voluptuary_manque]

What else would they say?

"You people are royally screwed. Lawyer up."

BTW, I didn't reference Jay Leno as a source. I listed him as a component of coal sludge.

Oh, agreed on that part.


Further news casts need monitoring. It's the TVA that's going to end up paying through the nose for this fiasco. Couldn't they have found a better place to store the ash? I mean . . . duh!

Or make it into roadbed component. It must be good for something.

 

[ishtat]

2. Hamas kept firing rockets into Isreal in spite of being told that response would come if they didn't quit. What's to be depressed about? When you insist on kicking Boota in the shins, eventually even that most mild-mannered of big guys is liable to punch your lights out.

Yesterday Israel killed some 270 Palestinians and wounded rather more. After the attack the Palestinians succeeded in killing their first Israeli since last June.

Don't tell me that it isn't that simple .I know it isn't. But isn't this response just a teensy weensy bit of an over reaction.

 

[Safe_Bet]

Yesterday Israel killed some 270 Palestinians and wounded rather more. After the attack the Palestinians succeeded in killing their first Israeli since last June.

Don't tell me that it isn't that simple .I know it isn't. But isn't this response just a teensy weensy bit of an over reaction.

Why? Cuz they're better shots? Shouldn't the consideration go to the people who got shot at first? Far as I'm concerned you shoot at me with a peas shooter I get to blow up your fucking house. Hopefully, you will think, before you shoot your peas shooter at me or too bad so sad, dude.

 

[Lee Chambers]

Why? Cuz they're better shots? Shouldn't the consideration go to the people who got shot at first? Far as I'm concerned you shoot at me with a peas shooter I get to blow up your fucking house. Hopefully, you will think, before you shoot your peas shooter at me or too bad so sad, dude.

Have to agree. Anyone who wants to pretend they have the balls to rattle the saber at Israel better be ready to back it up. Clearly they weren't. Also note that the majority of those who have been killed are reported to be Hamas security forces. No doubt civilians have been injured and killed, but Israel didn't just start dropping bombs on random targets.

 

[starrkers]

I still feel sorry for the Palestinians - their home was handed to another bunch of people by a third bunch. I'd probably lob the odd grenade myself.

But hey, it's Christmas, of course there'll be fireworks in the Middle East. That's how it's always worked (at least in my lifetime).

 

[rgraham666]

And I'm sure that the people going "Rah, rah, Israel!" if someone kicked them out of their homes, jammed them into a ghetto and set about starving their families would turn the other cheek.

 

[starrkers]

And I'm sure that the people going "Rah, rah, Israel!" if someone kicked them out of their homes, jammed them into a ghetto and set about starving their families would turn the other cheek.

Of course.

 

[Safe_Bet]

And I'm sure that the people going "Rah, rah, Israel!" if someone kicked them out of their homes, jammed them into a ghetto and set about starving their families would turn the other cheek.

Just to make myself PERFECTLY FUCKING CLEAR, I did NOT fucking go Rah, Rah Israel!" so don't be inferring I did. They are certainly guilty of their own shit.

HOW FUCKING EVER, if you indiscriminately launch rockets at ANY FUCKING BODY you get and deserve exactly Zero consideration either during or after they retaliate with bigger rockets or bombs (oh, and hit an actually military target vs. those evil schools or movie theaters and the such full of those evil kids!)

 

[Liar]

Why? Cuz they're better shots? Shouldn't the consideration go to the people who got shot at first?

See, that's the problem. BOTH sides are using the "but they shot first" excuse. And both sides can, depending on where you draw your arbitrary line in the sand, be considered right.

HOW FUCKING EVER, if you indiscriminately launch rockets at ANY FUCKING BODY you get and deserve exactly Zero consideration either during or after they retaliate with bigger rockets or bombs (oh, and hit an actually military target vs. those evil schools or movie theaters and the such full of those evil kids!)

Oh, and the ones launching rockets deserve what they get.

It's the ones that doesn't launch rockets, their neighbors and kids and anyone elae who just happened to be nearby, that's the problem.

"Collateral damage" has such an inconspicious air to it, doesn't it? It's amazing what kind of atrocities "good" guys can justify with those two little words.

 

[Safe_Bet]

See, that's the problem. BOTH sides are using the "but they shot first" excuse. And both sides can, depending on where you draw your arbitrary line in the sand, be considered right.

Oh, and the ones launching rockets deserve what they get.

It's the ones that doesn't launch rockets, their neighbors and kids and anyone elae who just happened to be nearby, that's the problem.

"Collateral damage" has such an inconspicious air to it, doesn't it? It's amazing what kind of atrocities "good" guys can justify with those two little words.

Last time I checked there were not a lot of Israeli suicide bomber hopping on Palestinian buses blowing up innocent children.

I do agree with you however, that if the cowardly bastards are firing rockets are using innocent people as human shields (and are therefore ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE for these innocents dying) they deserve a great deal of pain before they die a horrible gruesome death.

 

[Liar]

Last time I checked there were not a lot of Israeli suicide bomber hopping on Palestinian buses blowing up innocent children.

Last time I checked there was no multi billion dollar state-of-the-art palestinian war machine either. No palestinian tanks. No palestinian helicopters with precision rockets. When one side has that, and the other have a pack of C4 and a roll of duct tape, tactics are bound to be different. That doesn't mean that terrorist tactics are ok or even remotely forgiveable. But that's why they happen.

Oh, and this recent mayhem was not a response to any damn sucide bombing. It was retaliatory strikes brought on by rocket lobbing.

I do agree with you however, that if the cowardly bastards are firing rockets are using innocent people as human shields (and are therefore ULTIMATELY RESPONSIBLE for these innocents dying) they deserve a great deal of pain before they die a horrible gruesome death.

How nice of you to agree with the voices in your head. You know exacltly what I meant. And this was not it.

Say that you disagree with me if you do. Say that I have the facts wrong if you think I have. But please, don't be a fuckwaffle.

 

[Safe_Bet]

Last time I checked there was no multi billion dollar state-of-the-art palestinian war machine either. No palestinian tanks. No palestinian helicopters with precision rockets. When one side has that, and the other have a pack of C4 and a roll of duct tape, tactics are bound to be different. That doesn't mean that terrorist tactics are ok or even remotely forgiveable. But that's why they happen.

Oh, and this recent mayhem was not a response to any damn sucide bombing. It was retaliatory strikes brought on by rocket lobbing.
How nice of you to agree with the voices in your head. You know exacltly what I meant. And this was not it.

Say that you disagree with me if you do. Say that I have the facts wrong if you think I have. But please, don't be a fuckwaffle.

Then mebe you need to explain what you mean by "Collateral damage." Is it when their own rockets fell short and killed two helpless children or perhaps when they fired rockets from amongst "kids and anyone else" after they had repeatedly been warned that they would generate retalitary strikes?

And no, I never said that this retailiation was caused by a suicide bomb (talk about fuckwaffles agreeing with the voices in their head). As we BOTH are aware it was caused by the break down of the cease fire that had been in effect for the prior 6 weeks and was broken by the exact same people you are such an apologist for.

Bottom line is that BOTH sides are lead by groups of heartless assholes. The only difference between them is that one side (the Palestinian sychopaths) could give a shit about "Collateral damage," where as the other side (the Israeli sychopaths) have to at least "try" to limit the damage so as not to affect their support from the US.

 

[Liar]

Then mebe you need to explain what you mean by "Collateral damage." Is it when their own rockets fell short and killed two helpless children or perhaps when they fired rockets from amongst "kids and anyone else" after they had repeatedly been warned that they would generate retalitary strikes?

And no, I never said that this retailiation was caused by a suicide bomb (talk about fuckwaffles agreeing with the voices in their head). As we BOTH are aware it was caused by the break down of the cease fire that had been in effect for the prior 6 weeks and was broken by the exact same people you are such an apologist for.

Bottom line is that BOTH sides are lead by groups of heartless assholes. The only difference between them is that one side (the Palestinian sychopaths) could give a shit about "Collateral damage," where as the other side (the Israeli sychopaths) have to at least "try" to limit the damage so as not to affect their support from the US.

Ah, I see where the confusion arose. Hamas don't cause collateral damage, because they target civilians. (And if you somehow read into anything I've said that I'm an apologist for that, you're out of your mind.) The Israel army targets military and/or criminal targets, but kills more civilians and causes more civilian suffering doing so. Simply because they have bigger guns and a more fragile target. "Collateral damage" is a rethorical ploy they then use to pretend their shit don't stink. And with their current political backing, especially from the US, they'd have to resort to downright genocide to draw any substantial political heat. That might or might not change during the next four years. We'll just have to wait and see.

So we have two sides lead by groups of callous assholes. That was my point from the start. And that the main difference between them, is resources. Ideology, or moral justification, is secondary.

 

[ishtat]

Why? Cuz they're better shots? Shouldn't the consideration go to the people who got shot at first? Far as I'm concerned you shoot at me with a peas shooter I get to blow up your fucking house. Hopefully, you will think, before you shoot your peas shooter at me or too bad so sad, dude.

In 1948 750,000 Palestinians were evicted from territory they had occupied for the better part of two millennia. The resentment starts with that fact and failure to deal with it is why the problem exists today. Killing Palestinians has not fixed the problem in 60 years so why will it now? Any resolution has to recognise the right of Israel and Palestine to both exist and co-exist.

The latest killing is to satisfy the agenda of domestic politics in Israel. The corrupt and discredited Prime Minister presumably believes he can rebuild his reputation if he can produce a sufficiently large pile of carcasses. The two most important candidates for his replacement will in order to win votes, vie with each other to claim their pile would be even bigger.

Meanwhile the current US leader will do nothing about it as he has done for the last 8 years and the next one can do nothing about it. In the last few months of the Clinton administration he came very close to achieving a settlement of the Israeli/Palestinian problem. Ultimately GWB's neglect of the issue will be evaluated as being as culpable as his Iraqi disaster.

And your response Safe Bet is not merely contemptable . It is so sad, so inadequate, it is way beyond contemptable.

 

[Safe_Bet]

In 1948 750,000 Palestinians were evicted from territory they had occupied for the better part of two millennia. The resentment starts with that fact and failure to deal with it is why the problem exists today. Killing Palestinians has not fixed the problem in 60 years so why will it now? Any resolution has to recognise the right of Israel and Palestine to both exist and co-exist.

The latest killing is to satisfy the agenda of domestic politics in Israel. The corrupt and discredited Prime Minister presumably believes he can rebuild his reputation if he can produce a sufficiently large pile of carcasses. The two most important candidates for his replacement will in order to win votes, vie with each other to claim their pile would be even bigger.

Meanwhile the current US leader will do nothing about it as he has done for the last 8 years and the next one can do nothing about it. In the last few months of the Clinton administration he came very close to achieving a settlement of the Israeli/Palestinian problem. Ultimately GWB's neglect of the issue will be evaluated as being as culpable as his Iraqi disaster.

And your response Safe Bet is not merely contemptable . It is so sad, so inadequate, it is way beyond contemptable.

If it is "beyond contemptable" to think that people who shoot rockets will-nilly to spread terror and death indiscriminately (and kill some of their OWN children) are terrorists and that terrorists should be destroyed, then fine - count me in. I have no love for Israel, but I have even less regard for people who willingly and knowingly target (or attempt to anyway) innocent people so as to get more headline space for their cause. I also throw people that defend these actions in the same catagory.

I see you pointing fingers in every direction EXCEPT the people who broke the cease fire and started murdering innocent people and you have the fucking audacity to call ME beyond contempt?

 

[GratefulFred]

In 1948 750,000 Palestinians were evicted from territory they had occupied for the better part of two millennia. The resentment starts with that fact and failure to deal with it is why the problem exists today. Killing Palestinians has not fixed the problem in 60 years so why will it now? Any resolution has to recognise the right of Israel and Palestine to both exist and co-exist.

The latest killing is to satisfy the agenda of domestic politics in Israel. The corrupt and discredited Prime Minister presumably believes he can rebuild his reputation if he can produce a sufficiently large pile of carcasses. The two most important candidates for his replacement will in order to win votes, vie with each other to claim their pile would be even bigger.

Meanwhile the current US leader will do nothing about it as he has done for the last 8 years and the next one can do nothing about it. In the last few months of the Clinton administration he came very close to achieving a settlement of the Israeli/Palestinian problem. Ultimately GWB's neglect of the issue will be evaluated as being as culpable as his Iraqi disaster.

And your response Safe Bet is not merely contemptable . It is so sad, so inadequate, it is way beyond contemptable.

Olmert isn't sticking around past February. His PM career is over and if Tzipi makes it in power maybe he'll resurrect himself in a lower capacity. You are stupid to suggest that voters here look for who can kill the most as a criteria for being elected.

200 missiles got launched against us last week and there isn't a county around that would tolerate this shit. Fortunately we were able to successfully kill a bunch of their militants and burry a bunch of their smuggling tunnells. If we were after maximum number of civilian casualties we could've done that. Our goal is to stop this nonsense.

Hamas only cares about growing it's membership worldwide and is willing to sacrifise it's people in Gaza. It's not about state building - it's about killing us.

Try not to apply western logic and make Hamas into a nation building entity. Their mandate calls for our death not a blueprint for building a state. They prefer for us to cut off any humanitarian aid so that they can have the story for the news. They parade suppossedly injured children in front of the cameras who go back to play after their pictures are taken.

We aren't perfect but we believe we are just in protecting our citizens. It's in their power to stop this right now.

Hoping that Gilad will come home to us as he is us.