Top Lists

[K.K.]

I was looking through the Top List on the site the other day and noticed that very many of the storuies that appear at the top of a list have only a few votes. Somehow this doesn't seem fair to the authors whose stories had 100+ votes. I think that to have a story placed on the Top List it should have at least 100 votes. If you look at the list of Top Stories on this site you will see that only five or six stories out of the top 100 have more that 100 votes and many have less that fifty.

Just wondered what other's think about the idea of making it a requirement of the top list that the story have at least 100 votes.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Well in order to even get considered for inclusion on the top lists a story must get the requisite ten votes.

And you think it should be raised to one hundred, why?

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

Two responses to this...

1. Some catagroies get few votes to begin with. I'm lucky to get a total of 30 or 40. And yes I have a few stories in the Humor Top List.

2. If you have 20 votes on a story, how much change will there be if there are a few more added. Do the math. If the votes are 1's, they will be swept anyway...not hurt no foul. If they are 3's or 4's as is likely, the vote score won't change appreciably.

The Top List get trolled on a regular basis. The list changes almost daily. Adding more vote to qualify would make little or no difference.

Go back to sleep.

 

[S-Des]

Two responses to this...

1. Some catagroies get few votes to begin with. I'm lucky to get a total of 30 or 40. And yes I have a few stories in the Humor Top List.

2. If you have 20 votes on a story, how much change will there be if there are a few more added. Do the math. If the votes are 1's, they will be swept anyway...not hurt no foul. If they are 3's or 4's as is likely, the vote score won't change appreciably.

The Top List get trolled on a regular basis. The list changes almost daily. Adding more vote to qualify would make little or no difference.

Go back to sleep.

That's not true. I have had two stories in the top ten of LW for almost 8 months straight. I agree that 10 votes is too low to be in the top ten. My lowest number of comments on a story is 20, how can the #1 story in Lit have less votes than that? Maybe the number could be taylored to the category, or some other criteria, but the best stories shouldn't drop from #1 to #100 because they finally received 1 vote that wasn't from the writer's family.

 

[starrkers]

I think 100 votes is excessive.
I just checked the front page of the top lists. At least 11 categories have less than 10 stories with 100 votes or more on the front page. One category has no stories with 100 votes on the front page.
Some categories would not have a toplist if 100 votes were required.

But I don't think 10 votes is enough. It should need 25 (like special contest entries) or 50 (monthly contest entries) to gain a place in the toplists. Far less easy to stack with family and friends that way

 

[drksideofthemoon]

I was looking through the Top List on the site the other day and noticed that very many of the storuies that appear at the top of a list have only a few votes. Somehow this doesn't seem fair to the authors whose stories had 100+ votes. I think that to have a story placed on the Top List it should have at least 100 votes. If you look at the list of Top Stories on this site you will see that only five or six stories out of the top 100 have more that 100 votes and many have less that fifty.

Just wondered what other's think about the idea of making it a requirement of the top list that the story have at least 100 votes.

I thought the only people that looked at the toplists were trolls looking for stories to bomb.

They really don't mean anything...so what does it matter how many votes are needed to qualify...

 

[deathlynx]

Well, I'll speak from the perspective of a relatively unread author...Why do I say this? Well, the average views on my pieces tends to be around 3-4,000...

Here's the kicker...Most of my stories run 4.5 or higher on the votes...I think out of 47 only a couple are under 4.0 and those are my non-erotic...However, out of those same 47 entries, only 23 even have the requisite 10 votes to get the "H" rating or qualify for top lists...The rest all wallow around 5 votes...While in some cases # of votes is about the quality of the piece, it's also about popularity...An author gets a following and they get larger numbers of votes...

As for what use is the top lists? More than just trolls look there...many people who randomly encounter the site will start off by surfing those...Heck, I'm not even sure how to run a tag search, but I can certainly choose a Cat and take a look at the top list...

 

[S-Des]

I thought the only people that looked at the toplists were trolls looking for stories to bomb.

They really don't mean anything...so what does it matter how many votes are needed to qualify...

Completely untrue. They mean somewhere in the neighborhood of 50-100 views a week (which can add up very quickly). When my Romance story had the votes taken away, it dropped from #2 to below #100. The views per week went from at least 100 to less than 10. While it was in the top ten, it continued to garner votes faster than any of my other stories. Once it was knocked out, there weren't enough new votes to move it back up (since it still had 250, it required a lot of votes to move it even .01), so it spent the next 3 months with almost no change. By contrast, there's a story in LW that has been in the top 10-20 since 2002 and has over 2000 votes. Staying in the top guarantees it will never stop having new readers.

The top list means a lot (at least if you actually want people to read your stories).

 

[cloudy]

Just wondered what other's think about the idea of making it a requirement of the top list that the story have at least 100 votes.

I don't really want to be snarky, but just what makes you think that you, or we, can change the requirements of the toplists to begin with?

It's not our website, it belongs to Laurel and Manu. I'm quite happy with the free site they allow us to use.

Don't like it? Don't use it.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

I don't really want to be snarky, but just what makes you think that you, or we, can change the requirements of the toplists to begin with?

It's not our website, it belongs to Laurel and Manu. I'm quite happy with the free site they allow us to use.

Don't like it? Don't use it.

Finally something we can agree on! I am flabbergasted.

 

[drksideofthemoon]

I don't really want to be snarky, but just what makes you think that you, or we, can change the requirements of the toplists to begin with?

It's not our website, it belongs to Laurel and Manu. I'm quite happy with the free site they allow us to use.

Don't like it? Don't use it.

I didn't see where he said that he didn't like the site. What's wrong with someone making suggestions? Maybe he has a valid point, maybe the bar for making the top-lists should be raised. All the original poster did was ask for comments.

Sheesh...mellow out a bit...

 

[cloudy]

I didn't see where he said that he didn't like the site. What's wrong with someone making suggestions? Maybe he has a valid point, maybe the bar for making the top-lists should be raised. All the original poster did was ask for comments.

Sheesh...mellow out a bit...

Because, it's not a democracy here, as much as some would like it to be. Just what would be accomplished by gathering those comments, hmmm? Absolutely nothing, unless the poster is an alt of Laurel or Manu (which I hightly doubt).

Sheesh.

Whether you or anyone else thinks the bar should be raised doesn't matter. It's not your site.

People kill me, griping about all that's offered to us here for FREE.

 

[SimpleGifts]

Just wondered what other's think about the idea of making it a requirement of the top list that the story have at least 100 votes.

Hey cloudy...where in the above statement do you see anything about not liking the site, or saying that it SHOULD be a certain way, or telling the site owners what to do? I believe the poster was asking for opinions about the proposal. Even if our opinions make no difference on how the site is run, it's certainly interesting enough to see if authors (who theoretically post in the Authors' Hangout) care about the Top Ten lists or how they're formulated.

If there's anything to get incensed about, it's the misuse of the possessive, not the audacity of the poster to ask others to post their opinions.

For my part, I also think that 100 votes is way too high...since any number is going to be arbitrary, 25 might be nice but I don't see it as providing any better measure of "quality" than 10 votes.

SG

 

[cloudy]

Hey cloudy...where in the above statement do you see anything about not liking the site, or saying that it SHOULD be a certain way, or telling the site owners what to do? I believe the poster was asking for opinions about the proposal. Even if our opinions make no difference on how the site is run, it's certainly interesting enough to see if authors (who theoretically post in the Authors' Hangout) care about the Top Ten lists or how they're formulated.

If there's anything to get incensed about, it's the misuse of the possessive, not the audacity of the poster to ask others to post their opinions.

For my part, I also think that 100 votes is way too high...since any number is going to be arbitrary, 25 might be nice but I don't see it as providing any better measure of "quality" than 10 votes.

SG

You haven't been here as long as I have, and obviously haven't seen the number of complaints that I, and others, have.

I get very tired of people dissatisfied with something that's FREE. We're offered an awful lot here. It's not a democracy.

I'm not incensed (which you would realize, if you knew me even a tad), just tired of people assuming that "hey, let's take a vote and get it changed" when it doesn't work that way. Not even a little bit.

And, it's always someone who's never bothered to post before. The first time they even bother with this community is to try to change something they don't like.

 

[Jenny_Jackson]

That's not true. I have had two stories in the top ten of LW for almost 8 months straight.

Des,
That illustrates my point exactly. Your top list stories have so many votes that a few troll "1 bombs" don't really matter. LW and some other cats get a lot of votes. Sci-Fi, Humor and other cats, don't. I had one yesterday that went from #9 to the trash heap in two hours. I assume those 1 bombs will be swept sometime.

But it doesn't make any difference. The catagory you chose to post in is your own choice. Each has positive and negative qualities. And the requirements ain't going to change anyway.

Were the vote requirements to be changed to reflect the voting habits of the readers, someone would come back and bitch about it.

 

[matriarch]

I was looking through the Top List on the site the other day and noticed that very many of the storuies that appear at the top of a list have only a few votes. Somehow this doesn't seem fair to the authors whose stories had 100+ votes. I think that to have a story placed on the Top List it should have at least 100 votes. If you look at the list of Top Stories on this site you will see that only five or six stories out of the top 100 have more that 100 votes and many have less that fifty.

Just wondered what other's think about the idea of making it a requirement of the top list that the story have at least 100 votes.

The top lists are about average scores.....NOT the number of votes. Providing you have the requisite 10 votes that makes you eligible to be on the lists, that's it.

I for one am quite happy with the system. Without it, there are many, many writers who would miss out on that wonderful 15 minutes of glory when they acutally appear in the top 10 or 20. It often doesn't last very long, but its great while it does. I know, I've been there.

 

[jomar]

I for one am quite happy with the system. Without it, there are many, many writers who would miss out on that wonderful 15 minutes of glory when they acutally appear in the top 10 or 20. It often doesn't last very long, but its great while it does. I know, I've been there.

I think mine was more like 5 to 10 minutes on a couple of stories. But if I could only get a few more votes on my poems...

 

[drksideofthemoon]

Because, it's not a democracy here, as much as some would like it to be. Just what would be accomplished by gathering those comments, hmmm? Absolutely nothing, unless the poster is an alt of Laurel or Manu (which I hightly doubt).

Sheesh.

Whether you or anyone else thinks the bar should be raised doesn't matter. It's not your site.

People kill me, griping about all that's offered to us here for FREE.

I don't see where anyone is "griping", well other than you. No, it's not 'our' site. But, if every writer were to pull their stories tomorrow, what would Laurel and Manu be left with? A page full of porn ads. It's a symbiotic relationship. They need us, and we need them.

Yes, we post here for free, and we allow Literotica.com to use our work for free.

I don't see why you have your panties all in a bunch over a perfectly civil discussion.

 

[cloudy]

I don't see where anyone is "griping", well other than you. No, it's not 'our' site. But, if every writer were to pull their stories tomorrow, what would Laurel and Manu be left with? A page full of porn ads. It's a symbiotic relationship. They need us, and we need them.

Yes, we post here for free, and we allow Literotica.com to use our work for free.

I don't see why you have your panties all in a bunch over a perfectly civil discussion.

Never mind. You're not worth it.