Top five QB's (since the 80"s)

[VaticanAssassin]

I've never seen Bradshaw, Unitas... play so I have no idea how good they were.

But since the 80's my list would go:

Montana
Peyton
Marino
Farve
Elway


Yes, I know. I left poor Brady off. But I have always thought of him as a real good QB in a great system. The fact that both his 2nd string and 3rd string stepped in this year with great numbers solidifies that opinion. Not even top ten...

Rodgers, Young, Aikman, Kelly, Moon, and Brees are all better.

 

[Adre]

Longevity and winning = Brady

 

[nerfhearder]

I've never seen Bradshaw, Unitas... play so I have no idea how good they were.

But since the 80's my list would go:

Montana
Peyton
Marino
Farve
Elway


Yes, I know. I left poor Brady off. But I have always thought of him as a real good QB in a great system. The fact that both his 2nd string and 3rd string stepped in this year with great numbers solidifies that opinion. Not even top ten...

Rodgers, Young, Aikman, Kelly, Moon, and Brees are all better.

Brees belongs in top 5. Probably instead of Marino. I know that pisses people off but it's the truth. SB's gotta count for something and Brees has more passing yards. Otherwise close but Brees should get the nod.
I am not convinced of Rodgers being an all time great just yet. Really really good but need to see him over a whole career to call him great. Sort of the same reasoning you have with Brady. Need to see it's him and not the system or team as a whole. Guy still has half a career left so let's wait and see.

 

[Lancecastor]

QB's Best without RDS weighing in?

Doesn't seem right.

 

[Disgustipated]

I've never seen Bradshaw, Unitas... play so I have no idea how good they were.

But since the 80's my list would go:

Montana
Peyton
Marino
Farve
Elway

Rodgers, Young, Aikman, Kelly, Moon, and Brees are all better.

http://i.imgur.com/w6JkIP2.jpg

He's breaking all the records of the aforementioned + multiple SBs and multiple SB wins.

 

[pointless]

anyone from the last 15 or twenty years should be taken with a grain of salt because the rules now are geared towards padding offensive stats and weakening defense. honestly, it's gotten rather silly and it makes answering this question equally silly.

also, i just don't care all that much anymore. half these guys are pricks, so fuck them.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

List of SB winning QB's that sucked:

Eli
Rypien
Stabler
Mcmahnon
Hostellter
Plunket
Brad Johnson

TRENT DILFER

So, no... SB wins just do not mean that much.

 

[pointless]

there's only about three there that truly weren't all that good. the rest were at least adequate for most of their careers.

 

[nerfhearder]

List of SB winning QB's that sucked:

Eli
Rypien
Stabler
Mcmahnon
Hostellter
Plunket
Brad Johnson

TRENT DILFER

So, no... SB wins just do not mean that much.

They still count when comparing two QB's who are otherwise pretty similar. You can go with Marino but in the end history will see Brees as the better QB and part of that will be SB wins.

And Dilfer is my go-to guy when saying bad QB's do win so I totally agree there.

 

[nerfhearder]

http://i.imgur.com/w6JkIP2.jpg

He's breaking all the records of the aforementioned + multiple SBs and multiple SB wins.

But he's a major league asshole and that has to count almost as much as SB wins.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

there's only about three there that truly weren't all that good. the rest were at least adequate for most of their careers.

Yes. Adequate. Maybe even good. But my point is winning SB's has little to do with being a great QB, much less a all time great.

Hell, Robert Horry was certainly a good NBA player but you can not say he was one of the best or even great because he has seven rings.

*Cough* Brady *Cough* big ben

 

[nerfhearder]

Yes. Adequate. Maybe even good. But my point is winning SB's has little to do with being a great QB, much less a all time great.

Hell, Robert Horry was certainly a good NBA player but you can not say he was one of the best or even great because he has seven rings.

*Cough* Brady *Cough* big ben

Nobody said it has more than a little to do with it. I said they gotta count for something and they do.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

They still count when comparing two QB's who are otherwise pretty similar. You can go with Marino but in the end history will see Brees as the better QB and part of that will be SB wins.

And Dilfer is my go-to guy when saying bad QB's do win so I totally agree there.

As a Miami fan every-time I see Brees, I think Culpepper and what could have been........

 

[VaticanAssassin]

Nobody said it has more than a little to do with it. I said they gotta count for something and they do.

I agree with you. They should count when comparing similar talent.

It is the only reason Montana is ahead of Marino

 

[nerfhearder]

I agree with you. They should count when comparing similar talent.

It is the only reason Montana is ahead of Marino

You're biased as a fan. Marino is top 10 but not top 5. Honestly probably 6th but that all depends on Brady. Even dismissing him with a not-bad reason doesn't totally get rid of that deflated elephant in the room.

 

[pink]

Only 5???? Good god man, this will be an unending thread.

 

[Adre]

By some logic here you could discount Mantle's greatness because the Yankees had a great system and organization.

 

[nerfhearder]

By some logic here you could discount Mantle's greatness because the Yankees had a great system and organization.

Not really. The argument is that Brady's backups put up similar numbers when he was out so it implies maybe it's not Brady. Doesn't apply with Mantle, as least as far as I know.
It's not a great argument to begin with but one that bears looking at over his entire career. Problem is that Brady just hasn't been out that much so it's difficult to say for sure but since he's Satan it's always fun to find a way to prove he's not as great as he probably is.

 

[Adre]

Not really. The argument is that Brady's backups put up similar numbers when he was out so it implies maybe it's not Brady. Doesn't apply with Mantle, as least as far as I know.
It's not a great argument to begin with but one that bears looking at over his entire career. Problem is that Brady just hasn't been out that much so it's difficult to say for sure but since he's Satan it's always fun to find a way to prove he's not as great as he probably is.

So the coach is smart enough to have decent backup QBs. That does not account for 200 career wins against only 60 some losses. I think there's some serious Brady hate (read envy) going on.

 

[nerfhearder]

So the coach is smart enough to have decent backup QBs. That does not account for 200 career wins against only 60 some losses. I think there's some serious Brady hate (read envy) going on.

Of course there's tons of Brady envy. I've only recently openly admitted he deserves to be in the HOF and I'm not even a big hater. The real haters will never admit he belongs.
For me it's mostly the coach. I will never ever admit that asshole deserves anything more than a kick in the nuts.

 

[Disgustipated]

List of SB winning QB's that sucked:

Eli
Rypien
Stabler
Mcmahnon
Hostellter
Plunket
Brad Johnson

TRENT DILFER

So, no... SB wins just do not mean that much.

Besides the fact that half of those aren't even real people, Ben has MULTIPLE WINS and APPEARANCES.
Plus a few of them are either in the HOF or will be.

There's the difference.

 

[nerfhearder]

Besides the fact that half of those aren't even real people, Ben has MULTIPLE WINS and APPEARANCES.
Plus a few of them are either in the HOF or will be.

There's the difference.

If Dilfer ever gets in the HOF I swear right here and now that I'll hunt that motherfucker down and cut his dick off.
He's good as a commentator/analyst though. Gotta give him that.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

The 49er Sb teams are probably some of the best/most complete teams ever. From the D, to the running game, to the best WR ever. They would have won the same SB's with any top 10 QBs I mentioned. Hell, they would have won a couple with Dilfer.

Does not mean Montana was not great. He was. Accurate as hell and probably the best field general of them all.

Hell, I can't think of one SB team from this top ten that was not great all around. You need to be to win a SB. Behind the 49ers the Patriot SB teams are probably the most complete teams I have seen. The difference between Montana and Brady is the SB loses. The patriots don't lose to the giants with any of the 10 I mentioned at the helm IMO.

I'm trying to think of one QB that played his team to a SB win, when they didn't actually have that much talent. Kurt Warner is about all that comes to mind.

 

[nerfhearder]

The 49er Sb teams are probably some of the best/most complete teams ever. From the D, to the running game, to the best WR ever. They would have won the same SB's with any top 10 QBs I mentioned. Hell, they would have won a couple with Dilfer.

Does not mean Montana was not great. He was. Accurate as hell and probably the best field general of them all.

Hell, I can't think of one SB team from this top ten that was not great all around. You need to be to win a SB. Behind the 49ers the Patriot SB teams are probably the most complete teams I have seen. The difference between Montana and Brady is the SB loses. The patriots don't lose to the giants with any of the 10 I mentioned at the helm IMO.

I'm trying to think of one QB that played his team to a SB win, when they didn't actually have that much talent. Kurt Warner is about all that comes to mind.

The Rams had a ton of talent.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

The Rams had a ton of talent.

I don't know man. I think you take warner off that team for those two incredible years and they are just average. Faulk was good but Warner made him better. Their D was pedestrian at best.

Besides Faulk who from those teams was/is a HOF?