Too much objectification of women ?

[canonrfshooter]

Sometimes I get the impression with many picures on this site are 'objectifying' women.
Admitted, my male mind likes some of these pictures very well. I think that women (or men) can only be objectfied with consent so such pictures may only be shown with her / his full consent.
Sometimes I think that some images are taken by husband / boyfriend / FWB without consent as some threads with pictures contain mainly posting of a single user who is male or undisclosed gender.
Obviously, I like nice pictures or selfies posted by women themselves. And as a hobby photographer I take occasionally 'nudies' of my girlfriend and she has an awesome body (and personality !), but don't publish them.

I might be completely wrong (I hope so) but what are your ideas ? Women are stronly invited to react.

 

[Escierto]

For myself, I only post photos here of my lovely girlfriend that she herself has already posted on Facebook.

 

[cdstefi]

Anything that's just lazily reposted pro porn or model stuff off the internet leaves me cold. If I want that I know where to find it. I come here for real normal people discussing their real sex lives (and pics if they feel like sharing, I certainly share plenty).

 

[LMWM321]

Great post OP.

As I see it, the problem isn't that men see women as sexual objects. The problem is when men see women ONLY as sexual objects, ONLY as sexual playthings and NOT as equals in every other aspect of life. ..Or when they don't limit their objectification to the right time and place or when they objectify someone who has not given their permission to do so. A porn actress or someone posting their own pics to an amateur site, etc.... Is giving people permission to visually objectify them. But NOT so someone whose picture has been posted without their expressed consent.

It is nothing less than a form of sexual assault for someone to take a picture of a partner in strict confidence than post it on the internet. Fucking horrible.

 

[Lifestyle66]

It's possible and even likely some of the pics are posted without the woman's knowledge. But there are probably most of them in which the woman gave her consent, without specifying any limitations, either not caring or not thinking of the possibilities.

My wife and I have gone to Key West during Fantasy Fest. And for those who have never been or never heard of that, it's a week-look party of bar hopping and drinking even in the street within a few blocks of a cordoned off area. The costumes range from PRUDE to (not legally) nude body painted people wearing so little as to be scandalous back home.

And while my wife hasn't gone down the street there in the nude, she has worn so little as to be illegal outside of that cordoned off area. I've taken some pictures of her posing (with her consent). But when it comes to showing anyone else those pictures, she insists I must ask her permission on a case-by-case basis.

I've pointed out to her that when I took some of those pictures, she was in the middle of a crowded street with HUNDREDS of other people around her with cellphone cameras, and that she walked around dressed that way for hours, for potentially THOUSANDS of people taking her picture and posting it to Facebook! So, at that point, what the fucks the difference if I show it to one other person? That's HER restricting ME, and not the thousands of others she gave implicit permission to by doing it in public!

If a girl wears a string bikini to a crowded public beach to catch the eye of some boys she wants to attract, she can't bitch about EVERYONE else there who looks!

EDIT: My point is essentially that people need to take some personal responsibility for their own actions and show some common sense if they choose to allow others to take their picture! I have a picture of a woman who I don't even know because she was wearing heavy makeup covering her face. But she was otherwise naked spreading her legs in a bar for a room full of people to take pictures and posing any way anyone asked. When my wife asked her why she was doing that, she shrugged and just said "My husband likes it, and it turns him on. So, I'm doing it for him."

So, question: Do I have her permission to post her pics?

 

[canonrfshooter]

A few years ago there was

 

[canonrfshooter]

If a girl wears a string bikini to a crowded public beach to catch the eye of some boys she wants to attract, she can't bitch about EVERYONE else there who looks!

A few years ago I sat in the train on a summer day and there was a girl in her twenties with a see-through sweater where her tits were clearly visible, so it was like she were in her naked tits. I never expected that a woman shows so exposed in public, just as a train passenger, not on a beach or so, I was rather shocked.

 

[Lifestyle66]

A few years ago I sat in the train on a summer day and there was a girl in her twenties with a see-through sweater where her tits were clearly visible, so it was like she were in her naked tits. I never expected that a woman shows so exposed in public, just as a train passenger, not on a beach or so, I was rather shocked.

Yeah. So,my question is: If someone is exposing themselves in public where any number of unknown strangers can see them and take pictures, is the subject's permission required to post those pictures on the Internet?

Their very choice of venue suggests they are giving permission by default for all to see when they exposed themselves.

 

[Saint_Ann]

Uploading or sharing sexual photos or videos of another person without their permission is a crime.

 

[svengali_decL]

Snore.... when women givw up on sex with men, the human race dies out...

 

[SusanHoward]

I don’t really think we’re being objectified. I can always not open some things that might look offensive, but I find most very sexy!

 

[Lifestyle66]

Uploading or sharing sexual photos or videos of another person without their permission is a crime.

IMO, uploading any pics done in private with an expected one-on-one relationship where it's assumed those pics are private would be a crime.

But when doing anything in public, particularly in the digital age of cellphone cameras and Internet, then the subject has made a decision to permit the whole planet to see it.


NOW, that said, linking names or any other personal info to make tracking the subject down to a specific individual would be a crime.

EDIT: If I uploaded a picture of a vagina, I don't think that's a crime. BUT if I uploaded a picture saying, "This is my wife's vagina," (without her permission) then that would be a crime, since it could be traced through my profile to her as an individual!

 

[BookishBabe0]

I'd like to see more hot older men objectifying themselves on here.

 

[Hypnobitch01]

From a woman, I personally post photos online that I take of myself and that I like. Any of my photos I’ve posted I’ve personally approved to be seen by whoever comes across them, however the photos from the generic porn sites kind of ick me out in terms of objectification when there are smaller creators personally posting their photos that are more about the art or that fulfill them in some way.

When I post pictures, I am reclaiming my body by allowing people to see it the way I want them to see it on my terms. I am not, in my opinion, objectifying myself, but choosing to share a photo that represents my sensuality as a person and as a woman and not merely being a prop to someone else’s fantasy.

 

[lifeis2short2b]

Nice thread to start a firestorm. I'll take the bait. People hate honesty.
Do you mean those photos of women who are having sexual acts with multiple guys ? Or the one's where she is looking into the camera ? Give me a break ! Majority, if not all of these pictures are taken with the woman/guy knowing it's full intent.
I'm annoyed that I'm being objectified as someone who has to provide. There are numerous web sites where guys are doing all this hard labor LMAO !
I treat my partner with utmost respect and she is by far my equal. We both bring different qualities to our relationship.
If your so against this objectification don't participate this makes you part of the problem.
If you don't want your photos or opinions publicized don't share them. They will get out especially in this day and age.
Women who respond, I respect your feelings on this. Guys who respond your full of shit. Bottom line your all on here and all looking.

 

[GoodnessO]

It's possible and even likely some of the pics are posted without the woman's knowledge. But there are probably most of them in which the woman gave her consent, without specifying any limitations, either not caring or not thinking of the possibilities.

My wife and I have gone to Key West during Fantasy Fest. And for those who have never been or never heard of that, it's a week-look party of bar hopping and drinking even in the street within a few blocks of a cordoned off area. The costumes range from PRUDE to (not legally) nude body painted people wearing so little as to be scandalous back home.

And while my wife hasn't gone down the street there in the nude, she has worn so little as to be illegal outside of that cordoned off area. I've taken some pictures of her posing (with her consent). But when it comes to showing anyone else those pictures, she insists I must ask her permission on a case-by-case basis.

I've pointed out to her that when I took some of those pictures, she was in the middle of a crowded street with HUNDREDS of other people around her with cellphone cameras, and that she walked around dressed that way for hours, for potentially THOUSANDS of people taking her picture and posting it to Facebook! So, at that point, what the fucks the difference if I show it to one other person? That's HER restricting ME, and not the thousands of others she gave implicit permission to by doing it in public!

If a girl wears a string bikini to a crowded public beach to catch the eye of some boys she wants to attract, she can't bitch about EVERYONE else there who looks!

EDIT: My point is essentially that people need to take some personal responsibility for their own actions and show some common sense if they choose to allow others to take their picture! I have a picture of a woman who I don't even know because she was wearing heavy makeup covering her face. But she was otherwise naked spreading her legs in a bar for a room full of people to take pictures and posing any way anyone asked. When my wife asked her why she was doing that, she shrugged and just said "My husband likes it, and it turns him on. So, I'm doing it for him."

So, question: Do I have her permission to post her pics?

No.

 

[LMWM321]

I recall a convo I had w/ my many wife years ago about men objectifying women and whether or not I do it with her.... She was surprised and taken aback by my admission that when we have sex, I totally objectify her. I then clarified..

"Honey, when we're fucking I'm NOT thinking about how wonderful a person you are, how you're a fabulous Mom or how supportive, and patient a wife you are...or how I admire you for being so successful in your career. No, I think about THOSE things the other 23 1/2 hours of the day.

But for the 30 minutes we're fucking, my brain goes into lust-mode. All those reasons for loving you get pushed aside as I am overcome with sexual and objectifying thoughts. And I can't stop them from inhabiting my brain as we fuck.

But after I cum, mere seconds go by before my brain goes right back to adoring, loving, and admiring you... But for those 30 mins. while we play then fuck? Yes, I'm objectifying you... Totally...no denying it. That's how sex works for me."

She then smiled and said something like, "Okay... I kinda get it.. And that's fine."

 

[lifeis2short2b]

No.

If someone posts there own pic that's fine. If you post it and take it down it's to late it's out there. I think the big thing is partners who break up and don't give a F and post pics to "get even". That's messed up. Bottom line if you take a pic of yourself keep it off the internet and just keep it on your personal phone.

 

[forgotmyantidepressants]

The pics here don't bother me at all.

But sometimes the threads devolve into locker room talk and that can really make a woman feel self-conscious.

 

[ShinyCrazyDi]

It's possible and even likely some of the pics are posted without the woman's knowledge. But there are probably most of them in which the woman gave her consent, without specifying any limitations, either not caring or not thinking of the possibilities.

My wife and I have gone to Key West during Fantasy Fest. And for those who have never been or never heard of that, it's a week-look party of bar hopping and drinking even in the street within a few blocks of a cordoned off area. The costumes range from PRUDE to (not legally) nude body painted people wearing so little as to be scandalous back home.

And while my wife hasn't gone down the street there in the nude, she has worn so little as to be illegal outside of that cordoned off area. I've taken some pictures of her posing (with her consent). But when it comes to showing anyone else those pictures, she insists I must ask her permission on a case-by-case basis.

I've pointed out to her that when I took some of those pictures, she was in the middle of a crowded street with HUNDREDS of other people around her with cellphone cameras, and that she walked around dressed that way for hours, for potentially THOUSANDS of people taking her picture and posting it to Facebook! So, at that point, what the fucks the difference if I show it to one other person? That's HER restricting ME, and not the thousands of others she gave implicit permission to by doing it in public!

If a girl wears a string bikini to a crowded public beach to catch the eye of some boys she wants to attract, she can't bitch about EVERYONE else there who looks!

EDIT: My point is essentially that people need to take some personal responsibility for their own actions and show some common sense if they choose to allow others to take their picture! I have a picture of a woman who I don't even know because she was wearing heavy makeup covering her face. But she was otherwise naked spreading her legs in a bar for a room full of people to take pictures and posing any way anyone asked. When my wife asked her why she was doing that, she shrugged and just said "My husband likes it, and it turns him on. So, I'm doing it for him."

So, question: Do I have her permission to post her pics?

It sounds like you already know the answer, your wife said to ask on a case by case basis. I'm not sure why you'd want to post anything against her wishes & as it's her body, it should be up to her what the rules are, even if you disagree. Not sure what the big deal is anyway, she's not making you delete the photos or your memories, so you can always enjoy it without having to put them online?

As for the stranger, I'd say you don't technically have the stranger's permission but it seems like legally you'd be in the clear to share them (depending on where, obviously).

The difference is, you know your wife, you know what her boundaries are, even if you might not agree with them.

I'm assuming you love your wife - or at least LIKE her - so respecting her wishes doesn't sound like it would be a hardship. Especially if you're showing her pictures to people you know. It's different when it's anonymous internet perverts compared to perverts in your own circle of friends.

 

[ShinyCrazyDi]

If someone posts there own pic that's fine. If you post it and take it down it's to late it's out there. I think the big thing is partners who break up and don't give a F and post pics to "get even". That's messed up. Bottom line if you take a pic of yourself keep it off the internet and just keep it on your personal phone.

Definition of 'revenge porn'

 

[KatieDoes]

I think it’s the exploitation of women here that’s the biggest problem. Women (anyone, really) posting their own photos on a porn site are owning their sexuality and clearly enjoy the objectification to some level. That’s their choice and I don’t see anything wrong with that.

However. Lots, LOTS of men post photos of their wives, girlfriends, exes, without their knowledge or consent. There are endless threads about it. Asking strangers to ‘tribute’ their wife. Offering to send photos. Asking to ‘chat about my wife’. There’s one in particular who’s entire lit personality is to share photos of his ‘catholic wife’ that he openly admits were taken without her knowledge and dudes line up for it. Some are less obvious and open about it. I fully believe that at least half of the photos of women in ampics are men with fake accounts posting pictures that were entrusted to them.

To put it plainly, there are a whole bunch of men on this site that hate women. They want a woman to be a dick receptacle, but they hate women as people. They hate their wives most of all. Not just the men who actively post the photos, but the men who don’t care that the photos they’re jerking off to were shared without the woman’s permission. Rarely do I see a man even ask if the wife is aware and consents to it. They just don’t care.

I don’t tell most of my real life friends that I participate in a forum on a porn site. So when Dominique Pelicot was charged with drugging his wife and facilitating her being raped unconscious hundreds of times, I had to also appear as shocked as my friends were. They were stunned and couldn’t believe that he was able to find so many men who were so willing to rape an unconscious woman, disregard her autotomy, and view her as her husbands property to loan out.

I wasn’t shocked at all. There are thousands of men who participate on this site who would do exactly that.

 

[Lifestyle66]

It sounds like you already know the answer, your wife said to ask on a case by case basis. I'm not sure why you'd want to post anything against her wishes & as it's her body, it should be up to her what the rules are, even if you disagree. Not sure what the big deal is anyway, she's not making you delete the photos or your memories, so you can always enjoy it without having to put them online?

As for the stranger, I'd say you don't technically have the stranger's permission but it seems like legally you'd be in the clear to share them (depending on where, obviously).

The difference is, you know your wife, you know what her boundaries are, even if you might not agree with them.

I'm assuming you love your wife - or at least LIKE her - so respecting her wishes doesn't sound like it would be a hardship. Especially if you're showing her pictures to people you know. It's different when it's anonymous internet perverts compared to perverts in your own circle of friends.

Of course, I'd never post anything of my wife without her telling me to do so. I just point out to her the interesting double-standard she seems to ignore, after she chooses to appear in public at a venue where thousands of strangers could be taking her pic and posting them to the Internet, but she seems reluctant later to show her friends.


Anything we do voluntarily in public (particularly in today's world of everyone holding a digital camera in their hand) is already opened to the public, and we can't later demand our privacy returned to us. They saw it, and they record it to share with their friends. And some of those strangers live on Facebook, showing pics of everything they see.

When I referenced the Fantasy Fest pics above, you can check the "Fantasy Fest" website, and you'll find pics of people in costume from past events there. Those are the "safe" pics of people both posing for a pic in the street, and many just showing dozens of people randomly and cluelessly walking around the streets. The official FF website carefully avoids posting some pics of people in far less clothing and performing scandalous acts. I have several photos of a guy standing in the middle of the street in front of my wife as he swung his hips to wave his "sleeve covered" schlong in a dance for her. That cloth sleeve over his cock was the ONLY thing he was wearing!

Should that guy have a "right to privacy" and not allow (or expect) anyone to post those pics on the Internet of him doing it in front of women, ... in the middle of Duval Street in Key West? (BTW: He was "dressed" enough for the Fantasy Zone rules during that festival, so what he was doing was legal.)

EDIT: And I also don't tell others of my presence in these forums or stories posted here on LitE. But my wife tells others I write those stories! So, has she violated MY right to privacy without my permission?

EDIT 2: I just occurred to me, there are thousands (millions) of traffic cams around the cities, which are all Internet accessible. If you do anything in a public place, it is possible you are already posting yourself to the Internet for the world to see!

 

[canonrfshooter]

KatieDoes: Very good story. When I read this, I am almost shameful being a man.

 

[LMWM321]

I think it’s the exploitation of women here that’s the biggest problem. Women (anyone, really) posting their own photos on a porn site are owning their sexuality and clearly enjoy the objectification to some level. That’s their choice and I don’t see anything wrong with that.

However. Lots, LOTS of men post photos of their wives, girlfriends, exes, without their knowledge or consent. There are endless threads about it. Asking strangers to ‘tribute’ their wife. Offering to send photos. Asking to ‘chat about my wife’. There’s one in particular who’s entire lit personality is to share photos of his ‘catholic wife’ that he openly admits were taken without her knowledge and dudes line up for it. Some are less obvious and open about it. I fully believe that at least half of the photos of women in ampics are men with fake accounts posting pictures that were entrusted to them.

To put it plainly, there are a whole bunch of men on this site that hate women. They want a woman to be a dick receptacle, but they hate women as people. They hate their wives most of all. Not just the men who actively post the photos, but the men who don’t care that the photos they’re jerking off to were shared without the woman’s permission. Rarely do I see a man even ask if the wife is aware and consents to it. They just don’t care.

I don’t tell most of my real life friends that I participate in a forum on a porn site. So when Dominique Pelicot was charged with drugging his wife and facilitating her being raped unconscious hundreds of times, I had to also appear as shocked as my friends were. They were stunned and couldn’t believe that he was able to find so many men who were so willing to rape an unconscious woman, disregard her autotomy, and view her as her husbands property to loan out.

I wasn’t shocked at all. There are thousands of men who participate on this site who would do exactly that.

A gripping and compelling post @KatieDoes, thanks. Men who share intimate pictures of their wife (or anyone, really) without their expressed consent are committing sexual assault - plain and simple. They should go to jail.

Like you, I don't share that I participate in this forum with anyone in my personal life - except for my wife. While I am not ashamed of any of the threads or posts I've contributed to it, I am deeply ashamed of many of the others. A serious thread about sex after menopause can be a godsend for some people, but unfortunately it could be situated between threads glorifying step-daughter incest or racist objectification. Or, even worse, next to threads containing un-authorized pictures. I find that very troubling.