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Papal assassin warns Pope Benedict his 'life is in danger' if he visits Turkey

Pope Benedict faces a growing chorus of demands to make an unequivocal apology for remarks seen as portraying Islam as a violent faith, despite attempts by Western leaders and churchmen to defuse the crisis.

The calls came as it emerged papal hitman Mehmet Ali Agca, who is serving a life sentence for the attempted assassination of Pope John Paul II in May 1981, has written to Pope Benedict XVI from jail, warning him not to go to Turkey as planned in November in the light of his remarks.

Agca, a Turk gave his ominous warning in a letter to an Italian daily newspaper.

For many Muslims, the Pope's attempt to explain himself on Sunday did not go far enough and observers were waiting to see if he would speak about it again at his general audience at the Vatican.

The Pope enraged Muslims in a speech a week ago in Germany quoting 14th century Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Palaeologus, who said everything the Prophet Mohammad brought was evil "such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached".

The leader of the world's 1.1 billion Roman Catholics said on Sunday he was 'deeply sorry' for the reaction caused - but stopped short of apologising for his words or retracting them.

In a telegram to the order of an Italian nun killed in Somalia who may be the crisis' first victim, the Pope hoped her sacrifice would help build "real fraternity among people with reciprocal respect of everyone's religious convictions".

But the deluge of criticism and threats continued. Italian media said an al Qaeda group in Egypt called for the German-born Pope, who is 79, to be punished by strict Islamic sharia law for insulting their religion. An al Qaeda umbrella group in Iraq has also vowed war on "worshippers of the cross".

Workers at Turkey's Directorate General for Religious Affairs, or Diyanet, petitioned for the arrest of the Pontiff when he makes a scheduled visit to Turkey in November.

They held banners saying "Either apologise or don't come". The Pope's comments annoyed the Turkish government but there are no plans yet to cancel the trip.

In Iraq, where an effigy of the Pope was burnt on Monday, parliament speaker Mahmoud al-Mashhadani called his apology "inadequate and not commensurate with the moral damage caused to Muslims' feelings".

The Grand Mufti of the Palestinian Territories, Sheikh Mohammad Hussein, said the Pope must make "a personal and clear apology to 1.5 billion Muslims in this world for the insult caused by his lecture..."

In his two page letter to leading Italian Rome based daily La Repubblica, Agca, who was a member of the Turkish terrorist cell the White Wolves, wrote: "Pope Ratzinger listen to someone who knows these things very well.

"Your life is in danger. You absolutely must not come to Turkey. Pope Benedict you must know that between 1980 and 2000 I was in contact with various Western intelligence services and with the Vatican.

"In those twenty tears I learnt many things and I came into possession of many classified secrets."

The letter closed with Agca imploring Pope Benedict to resign for his own safety he wrote: "For your own welfare you must make a grand gesture of honour and resign.

"Then you must return to your native land (Germany) and in your place an Italian cardinal can be elected Pope, possibly (cardinal Dionigi) Tettamanzi or (cardinal Tarcisio) Bertone.

"Then the Vatican should become a centre of peace and fraternity. The world has a need of this it does not need hatred and vendetta."

Agca was jailed for his attempted assassination of Pope John Paul II in St Peter's Square in May 1981 and in 2000 he was allowed to return to Turkey to serve the rest of his sentence.

Earlier this year he was briefly freed from his life sentence after a judge released him but after a huge outcry he was jailed again within days and is now at Istanbul's Kartal Maltepe jail and not due for release until 2012.

In Italy, politicians and churchmen defended the Pope and said his words were taken out of context and his explanation was quite clear.

Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano published it in Arabic on its front page to try to clarify his meaning.

But while some Muslim clerics say the alleged insults are the latest skirmish in a new Western 'crusade' against Islam, some Catholic churchmen say the Pontiff's words have been purposefully twisted by militant Muslims.

"We pray for the Pope whose words have been maliciously interpreted," Cardinal Crescenzio Sepe said in Naples at the annual 'miracle' of fourth century Saint Gennaro, whose blood turns from powder to liquid in what is seen as a good omen.

The head of Australia's 5.1 million-strong Catholic church went as far as to say that violent reaction "justified one of Pope Benedict's main fears" about Islam.

Cardinal George Pell said this showed "the link for many Islamists between religion and violence, their refusal to respond to criticism with rational arguments, but only with demonstrations, threats and actual violence". Local Muslims called Pell's comments 'unhelpful'.


If someone kills the Pope its fucking ON! Didn't he apologize? What these fuckers want is for him to proclaim Islam the one, true religion. Oh its so gonna be on soon.
 
Just what I expected. No lefties in hear arguing with me because you know I'm so right its frightening to you. Lil 'ol me. Some Texas redneck that doesn't know a thing.


Think again. ;)
 
DevilishTexan said:
If someone kills the Pope its fucking ON! Didn't he apologize? What these fuckers want is for him to proclaim Islam the one, true religion. Oh its so gonna be on soon.
It should be on right now. The religion of peace reacts to criticism by killing a nun...who forgave her murderers as she lay dying. The religion of peace then proceded to torch christian churches.
The religion of peace is less tolerant than the religion it excoriates. No catholic has murdered a moslem since this recent attack.
 
To quote the article directly


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The leader of the world's 1.1 billion Roman Catholics said on Sunday he was 'deeply sorry' for the reaction caused - but stopped short of apologising for his words or retracting them.
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So, actually he didnt apologize..other wise it wouldnt have said he had "stopped short of apologising for his words or retracting them."

And DT, I'm a lefty wingnut too.and actually partyl agree with you.. when you're dealing with religous fanatics you gotta watch out when you say shit like

( quoting again)

The Pope enraged Muslims in a speech a week ago in Germany quoting 14th century Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Palaeologus, who said everything the Prophet Mohammad brought was evil "such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached".


When the head of a major religon calls your religon and everything it has brought as evil..gotta expect a bit of reaction

Personally, i fucking despie most Islam..treating women as second class citizens ( if not outright property), no alcohol; ( which is a crime in of itself), no pork ( i'll eat anything that doesnt eat me..unless its a hot chick)..the demonization of homosexuality ( funny.. Christians agree with them there)
 
atmas said:
It should be on right now. The religion of peace reacts to criticism by killing a nun...who forgave her murderers as she lay dying. The religion of peace then proceded to torch christian churches.
The religion of peace is less tolerant than the religion it excoriates. No catholic has murdered a moslem since this recent attack.
Catholics won't murder. Our religion is completely opposite. Our religion does not have us sacrifice our children. Our religion has us value life. Theirs values death. And for what? 72 virgins? Sounds like something Satan offers to me. Most of us guys are tickled pink about just one virgin. But 72??? Geez fuck no wonder the crazy bastards wanna shoot everything in sight. What better way to go then start killing? Sooner or later you'll be killed.
 
atmas said:
It should be on right now. The religion of peace reacts to criticism by killing a nun...who forgave her murderers as she lay dying. The religion of peace then proceded to torch christian churches.
The religion of peace is less tolerant than the religion it excoriates. No catholic has murdered a moslem since this recent attack.


Ahem.. have you heard of Indonesia

the Mooselimbs and the Cretins have been killing each other for years.. and in new and wonderfully horrific ways all the time
 
Catholics dont murder.. I forgot..the whole Inquisition thing was just a bad episode of Dallas..oh, did I mention Indonesia
 
badbabysitter said:
To quote the article directly


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The leader of the world's 1.1 billion Roman Catholics said on Sunday he was 'deeply sorry' for the reaction caused - but stopped short of apologising for his words or retracting them.
---


So, actually he didnt apologize..other wise it wouldnt have said he had "stopped short of apologising for his words or retracting them."

And DT, I'm a lefty wingnut too.and actually partyl agree with you.. when you're dealing with religous fanatics you gotta watch out when you say shit like

( quoting again)

The Pope enraged Muslims in a speech a week ago in Germany quoting 14th century Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Palaeologus, who said everything the Prophet Mohammad brought was evil "such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached".


When the head of a major religon calls your religon and everything it has brought as evil..gotta expect a bit of reaction

Personally, i fucking despie most Islam..treating women as second class citizens ( if not outright property), no alcohol; ( which is a crime in of itself), no pork ( i'll eat anything that doesnt eat me..unless its a hot chick)..the demonization of homosexuality ( funny.. Christians agree with them there)
I personally can't wait till we nuke half the motherfuckers. I hate to say that but nothing gets your attention like fire. I'd really wish the free goverments of the world would have some huge MTV style marketing party that offers up about 1000 Jew virgins. Then when all the crazy fuck Muslim loons gather and realize its all a ruse we just mushroom cloud the sonofabitches.

You won't hear another word I promise you.


Alright maybe 1/2 was a bit extreme. Lets just say lots. :p
 
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badbabysitter said:
Ahem.. have you heard of Indonesia

the Mooselimbs and the Cretins have been killing each other for years.. and in new and wonderfully horrific ways all the time
Excuse me dear, the adults were talking.
 
badbabysitter said:
Catholics dont murder.. I forgot..the whole Inquisition thing was just a bad episode of Dallas..oh, did I mention Indonesia
Hello!!! That was when??? You people need to stop living in the past like your Muslim homies.
 
atmas said:
Excuse me dear, the adults were talking.
And whenever you have somebody killing somebody how many times is a Muslim involved?

I don't even have to begin.
 
Thats STILL going on.. its just not juicy enough to grab anyones attention anymore

persoanlly I dont give a fuck.. Catholcis are fucked in the head, Mooselimbs are fucked in the head... I think you guysd should have a funny hat face off.. with sticks...with nails in it..and charge admission


DevilishTexan said:
Hello!!! That was when??? You people need to stop living in the past like your Muslim homies.
 
badbabysitter said:
Thats STILL going on.. its just not juicy enough to grab anyones attention anymore

persoanlly I dont give a fuck.. Catholcis are fucked in the head, Mooselimbs are fucked in the head... I think you guysd should have a funny hat face off.. with sticks...with nails in it..and charge admission
Speaking of head.......
 
Have to agree.. for example Cain and Abel.. Muslims there.. wait sorry, wrong book

Lee Harvey Oswald.. must have been a Muslim

your point is valid..theres a lot of fundamnetalist murders in the world..but you're just demonizing them.. there are plenty of murders that arent Islam related in the world.. or so MTV would have me beleive


DevilishTexan said:
And whenever you have somebody killing somebody how many times is a Muslim involved?

I don't even have to begin.
 
DevilishTexan said:
And whenever you have somebody killing somebody how many times is a Muslim involved?

I don't even have to begin.
This era strikes me as very reminiscent of the crusades, which actually were an act of self-defense by the christians in the middle ages. We're acting in a similar way, defending what we hold as dear.
The Moslems want an apology from the pope...in fact, Agca wants the pope to resign. The moslems want to dictate who can and can't be pope.
Oh, but they're not fascist. They're good church-going types.
 
badbabysitter said:
Have to agree.. for example Cain and Abel.. Muslims there.. wait sorry, wrong book

Lee Harvey Oswald.. must have been a Muslim

your point is valid..theres a lot of fundamnetalist murders in the world..but you're just demonizing them.. there are plenty of murders that arent Islam related in the world.. or so MTV would have me beleive
Just read my last post and do as your told.
 
Oh fuck yeah. the Catholic Church have a LONG history of doing the right and noble thing..snickers

this is exactly why religon sucks..especially Judeo-Christianity and Islam.. the big three.. why can we have a buddhist jihad..or a Jainist Inquisition..that would be cool

atmas said:
This era strikes me as very reminiscent of the crusades, which actually were an act of self-defense by the christians in the middle ages. We're acting in a similar way, defending what we hold as dear.
The Moslems want an apology from the pope...in fact, Agca wants the pope to resign. The moslems want to dictate who can and can't be pope.
Oh, but they're not fascist. They're good church-going types.
 
DevilishTexan said:
Catholics won't murder. Our religion is completely opposite. Our religion does not have us sacrifice our children. Our religion has us value life. Theirs values death. And for what? 72 virgins? Sounds like something Satan offers to me. Most of us guys are tickled pink about just one virgin. But 72??? Geez fuck no wonder the crazy bastards wanna shoot everything in sight. What better way to go then start killing? Sooner or later you'll be killed.
You seem to be pretty trigger-happy with the nuclear option.

You'll have both then - murder and sacrificing your children.
 
phrodeau said:
You seem to be pretty trigger-happy with the nuclear option.

You'll have both then - murder and sacrificing your children.

Hey, those are two very Christian things to do

go ask Isaac
 
badbabysitter said:
Oh fuck yeah. the Catholic Church have a LONG history of doing the right and noble thing..snickers

this is exactly why religon sucks..especially Judeo-Christianity and Islam.. the big three.. why can we have a buddhist jihad..or a Jainist Inquisition..that would be cool
I can see what you mean. Your biting sarcasm is so persuasive. 9/11, Madrid, London, USS Cole, WTC 1993, Lockerbie.
I'm convinced.
Just curious...are you aware of the fundamental difference between buddhism and jainism?
 
badbabysitter said:
Hey, those are two very Christian things to do

go ask Isaac
Issac did it because God commanded him and he feared God. Crazyass Muslims do it because they're cowards.
 
atmas said:
I can see what you mean. Your biting sarcasm is so persuasive. 9/11, Madrid, London, USS Cole, WTC 1993, Lockerbie.
I'm convinced.
Just curious...are you aware of the fundamental difference between buddhism and jainism?
Oh thats just against us. Thats not even the tip of the iceberg.
 
atmas said:
I can see what you mean. Your biting sarcasm is so persuasive. 9/11, Madrid, London, USS Cole, WTC 1993, Lockerbie.
I'm convinced.
Just curious...are you aware of the fundamental difference between buddhism and jainism?


Yes, i was being cheeky.. I was trying to find two disparate religons

and as far Christian nutters..or at least they thought they were/are..Jonestown, Waco, Cortez, the KKK, abortion doctor snipers ( praise jesus, pass the ammo), and what TV evangelist called 9/11 gods judgement on america?

ya know, we can name call all day..but in the end..anyone who kills in the name of God, isnt doing Gods work at all... all religons forbid murder, its only the bloodthirsty of each one who twist it to suit their own goals.. you can go from fatwah in the middle east or death row and lynching all the way in the West..in all cases it still stinks..so you God boys who prech love ( no matter what religon) in one hand and call for death in the other.. do God a favour and start the killing with yourself

Go fuck yourself Mohammed, and Jesus, next time you come around, bring a flamethrower
 
DevilishTexan said:
Issac did it because God commanded him and he feared God. Crazyass Muslims do it because they're cowards.

and as far as they're concern, god commands them. the one thing we have over them is education.. go read the Satanic Verses..when you live in an ignorant culture of fear, anyone with a charismatic voice can make you do alot of fucked up things
 
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