Toilet Seat -- up or down?

Oh Horsey...damn it, I just felt so bad that nobody had responded to your post yet! That little zero on the board didn't seem right. So, since the arrows aren't flying yet, allow me to field the question for now.
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Don't ya' think a toilet looks nicer, more inviting, when the seat is down? Case in point...we've established that men can't aim, right? Well, who in their right mind would WANT to walk into a bathroom and see all the "misses" that guys make, let alone touch the damn thing to put the seat down so they could use the toilet? My theory is that if you make the mess and don't clean it up (which most men don't) the least you could do is hide it! Right?
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Ok...there ya' go Horsey...I did my good deed for the day.
 
Yes, Horsey, you're right. I expect any man in this house to put the toilet seat back down when he's done, flush the friggen toilet, and it would be SO nice if he'd shut the damn door while he went, too! Too much to ask? I think not.

Bossy
 
The toilet seat should be down Horsey. You can put it up when you pee, unless of course you sit down when you make a wee.
 
A man is expected to bend over and put the seat up and then bend over and put it down when done, but a woman isn't expected to put the seat down and then put it back up when done.

Not all women leave the seat down. I live alone, and leave the seat where ever It was when I last used it. Sometimes up, and sometimes down.

A few months ago, my granddaughter was over and politely asked if she could use my bathroom. (The seat just happened to be down at the time.) Later I discovered that when she was done, she had thoughtfully put the seat UP for me. She never said anything about it, and my daughter has no idea where she got the idea that that's the way it belonged at Grandpa's house.

Wherever the idea that men want the seat up and women want it down originates, it's obvious enough that a five-year-old knows about it (apparently instinctively.)

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Toilet seat AND lid both down. Started this to keep my little kitten from going swimming and just prefer the way it looks. Also requires both sexes to make a little bit of effort to use so no whining on either side.
 
ok heres my opinion..
there are 4 ways of the toilet being used.. seated by a woman peeing, seated by a woman moving her bowels, standing by a man peeing, seated by a man moving his bowels. 3 out of 4 are seated. Majority wins.

by the way, a little tradition in my family. drop a cork in the water.. that way the boys learn where to aim by tring to sink the cork, and it won't flush down and clog things up.
Changing it often is a good plan though
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Firesprite
 
I agree with Sonora for the same reason. I prefer both the seat and the lid down. I got used to this arrangement the first time I got a kitten and watched him run into the bathroom, jump on the toilet seat, and rim it like a basketball right before it falls through the net. Hilarious, but shocking for the kitten who ends up with wet feet. Now I keep the cover down so there is no chance of surprise kitty baths.

Also eliminates the chance of the adults in the house accidently dropping stuff into the toilet during morning grooming routines. Some of us are not so nimble during early morning hours.
 
I agree with you Hung. Why are men expected to put the seat down. We do everything else for the women. We take out the trash, feed the dog, mow the yard, fix the cars, open the car doors, walk them to the door after a date, pick up the check at dinner and on and on and on. So why can't a woman do this one thing for her man with out bitching about it. Who gives a shit if it looks better with the seat down Angelique? I mean sure it needs to be clean and look clean, but its not going to be some fashion statement in the house.

Firesprite I hate to burst your bubble but no matter what you put in there to try and teach them to aim its not going to stop them from missing. Here is a little fact you women need to know about why men miss the bowl sometimes. Our urethra (pee hole) is a long tube that runs through the length of our penis. Sometimes that "tube" (urethra)gets a little bent so to speak. That is what causes the pee to come out the end of the penis in all directions. This is something that we can not control. It can easly happen during sex, sleep, masturbation, getting kneed by a women. So the cork really has no effect.
 
PAINFUL Quote by manic: getting kneed by a women

Ouch!!! manic,

I didn't Kneed to picture that. Did you really have to mention that one? I bet there are thousands of males who are reading this right now that are crossing there legs and wincing
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And something you should know about the people on this BB. They don't "kneed" much of an excuse to start a whole separate thread on a topic such as this...It may be with us for days....PainnnFUL days......

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Originally posted by maniac:
We do everything else for the women. We take out the trash, feed the dog, mow the yard, fix the cars, open the car doors, walk them to the door after a date, pick up the check at dinner and on and on and on. So why can't a woman do this one thing for her man with out bitching about it.

<raises her eyebrow with disdain> Excuse me, from which cave did you emerge? Are you lucky enough to be in a relationship with a woman, Maniac? If so, I am quite positive that there are PLENTY of things she does for "her man" that balance the scale.

My soapbox hasn't been used for months, but I'm tempted to dust it off and spout off about the disproportionate division of chores and responsibilities among men and women in our society, especially in familes with children. Fellow wives, are you with me here? (No offense to the enlightened men out there who really pitch in there and do their share.)

Luckily, for you Maniac, I'm very tired. Too tired to compose a proper and complete stinging reprimand. Someone else kick his butt for me.
 
Received the following relevant e-mail. Thought I would pass it on here for ya'lls elucidation and commentary.

COPIED FROM A NEWSGROUP POSTING - (the author is responding to a woman who accidentally walked into the men's restroom):

Please don't feel bad. It wasn't you entering the men's washroom that caused that guy to pee on the guy next to him. Hell, we do that all the time. It's rare us guys ever hit what were aiming for.

Sometimes I go into the washroom, start to pee, and then just start spinning around; just so I'll make sure I hit something.

You see, something you ladies should understand by now is that men's penises have a mind of their own. A guy can go into a bathroom stall because all the urinals are being used, take perfect aim at the toilet, and his penis will still manage to piss all over the roll of toilet paper, down his left pant leg, and onto his shoe. I'm telling 'ya those little buggers can't be trusted.

After being married 28 years my wife has me trained. I'm no longer allowed to pee like a man - standing up. I am required to sit down
and pee. She has convinced me that this is a small price to pay. Otherwise, if she had gone to the toilet one more time at night and either sat on a pee soaked toilet seat, or fell right into the toilet because I forgot to put the seat down, she was going to kill me in my sleep.

Now another thing us guys don't usually like to talk about, but because you and I have become such good friends and you think
I'm a classy guy, I might as well be candid with you because it's a real problem, and you ladies need to be understanding. It's the dreaded "morning wood".

Most mornings us guys wake up with two things. A tremendous desire to pee, and a penis so hard you could cut diamonds with it. Well, no matter how hard you try, you can't get that thing to bend, and if it won't bend you can't aim, well hell, if you can't aim you have no choice but to piss all over the wallpaper and that damn fuzzy toilet seat cover you women insist on putting on the toilet.

And by the way, when you use those damn fuzzy toilet seat covers, the friggin' toilet seat won't stay up by itself. So that means we have to use one hand to hold up the toilet seat and the other hand to try to control our less than perfect aim. Now sometimes, when you're newly married, (and I know the guys in here will back me up on this) you think you can get the toilet seat with that damn fuzzy thing to stay up. You jam it back and compress that fuzzy thing until the seat stays there. OK, so you start to pee, but then that compressed fuzzy starts to decompress and without warning that damn toilet seat comes flying down and tries to whack off your weenie. So us guys will not lift a toilet seat with a fuzzy, it's just not safe.

I tried to delicately explain this morning situation to my wife. I told her... look, it won't bend. She said, "so sit down like I told you to do all the rest of the time." OK. I tried sitting down on the toilet with "morning wood". Well it's is very hard to get it bent under the toilet seat, and before I could manage it, I had pissed all over the bath towels hanging on the wall across the room. Now, even if you are sitting down and you can get it forced down under the toilet seat, when you start to pee the pee shoots out from the crack between the bottom of the toilet seat and the top of the bowl. You piss all over the back of your knees and it runs down the back of our legs on to that damn matching fuzzy horseshoe rug you keep putting on the floor in front of the toilet.

I have found the only effective maneuver to deal with this morning urinary dilemma is to assume the flying Superman position laying over the toilet seat. This takes a great deal of practice, perfect balance, and split time precision but it's the only sure way to get all the pee in the bowl during the first morning pee.

So you ladies have to understand that us men are not totally to blame. We are sensitive to your concerns about hygiene and bathroom cleanliness, but there are times when things just get beyond our control. It's not our fault, it's just Mother Nature.

Now, if it was Father Nature, there wouldn't have been a problem!!!
 
Maniac...sorry there...didn't mean to hit a sore spot with you on my earlier post. Is it safe to assume that you prefer to advertise (by leaving the seat up) that you can't get it in the bowl on any given day? Now, as for your adonis-type attitude, lemme see what I've got in my little black bag for you. Ahhhh yes...here it is. (taking out a long, thick, cylindrical shaped tube that appears to have miles of paper wrapped around it...and OH MY, the paper has writing n it...shall we see what it says?)

First of all, I take the trash out, so we can knock that one off your list.

Feeding the dog? Gimme a break! It takes all of about 5 seconds to dump a cup of food into a damn dish and serve up a clean bowl of water, so we can knock that one off the list.

I'll give ya' mowing the yard...that's something I hate doing anyway.

Fixing the cars...that's a new one. The way most men are with their cars, they wouldn't even THINK of letting a woman change the oil. It has been my experience that when a man "fixes" a car, he's out there for DAYS working on his "project" to make his car bigger, better, faster, stronger, etc. Seems to me that fixing cars is a hobby...so, we'll knock that one off your list.

Opening car doors...would that be every single time we approach the car, or just on those first few dates. Well, ya' know, guys want to make a good first impression...I wonder how many of them are STILL opening doors for their wives a year into the relationship. (Yes, I know there are some guys who actually make a habit of doing this for longer than the first two weeks of a relationship, so you're excluded from prior comment)

Now here's a brilliant one...walking a lady to the door after a date. Well how 'bout that...so basically what you're telling us is that you have no ulterior motive? Wanting nothing in return...no kiss, no grind, no "would you like to come in for a nightcap?" Would you rather just slow down a little so she can hop out of the moving vehicle before you take off? Would that work better for ya'? I think not...so......basically, we've knocked that one off, too.

Hmmm...now picking up the check at dinner is a whole different area. That one would depend on several factors...if YOU asked her out on a date, then hell yes, you should foot the bill. After all, you didn't walk up to a stunning woman and say "Hi <insert female name here>! I was wondering if you'd like to go to dinner on Friday? Yes? That's great...I'll pick you up at 7:00, and oh, by the way, it's your treat!" Come on...we've knocked that one out, too.

What does that leave us with...a guy who mows the lawn.
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Well shit, if that's all ya' can do to help out, I'll hire someone to do that!

So what this boils down to, is that women ask men to do two tiny little things in life, above and beyond anything sexual, 'cause that's a whole 'nother ball game. I'd say that's pretty damn good! So put the damn seat down for cryin' out loud, and quit griping about it! It ONLY takes a second to curl your index finger over the edge of the lid and pull...and hell, I would think that most men would get a kick outa hearing it THUNK on the bowl, as most men are easily amused.
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Now if we were to get into a conversation regarding the things women do, we could be here all night. So, I'll shoot from the hip and give ya' just a few. Women, as a general rule are the people who make the meals, wash the dishes, clean the house, DELIVER the kids (you men should worship us after what we go through to bring your offspring into the world), change the diapers (more often than men, on most occasions), prepare nutritional meals for said children which can be tricky when the kids aren't all the same age, take care of the kids when they're sick, carpool them around town as they get older, laundry (a word that I don't need to elaborate on), clean the house (most men help by moving their feet off the coffee table so we can vacuum up the crumbs from their nachos, pretzels and chips), and on and on...I think ya' get the picture now. Enough said.

Firesprite...the cork is an awesome idea...we've been using Cheerios, but I think the cork is a MUCH better idea. Thanks!
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Cheyenne, I'm with ya' babe...seat is ALWAYS down over here...but I'm retentive about it since I dropped my toothbrush in the toilet several years ago. Ewwwww.

Merlin...sorry ya' had to hear those gross details that made ya' cringe and cross your legs to hide the "goods"...want me to kiss it & make it all better?
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Whisper, gal, I'm tryin' to get through to this guy, but ya' know how some men are...they just don't get it...ever. And I'm a bit tired myself, sooooo, if there are any mispelled words on here, I'll blame it on the lack of sleep over here.
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LMAO@LL...interjecting humor at such an appropriate time, as always.
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Gil...if ya' have any pics of that Superman position, I think you should share them with us.
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Also, thanks for sharing that story with us...it makes me SO GLAD I'm a woman!!!

That's all for now folks...I could go on longer, but I'll spare you that for this evening...but only 'cause I'm tired.
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Well Hung, as a female, until I can grasp the talent to stand up to take a leak and manage to hit my mark in that respect... "squattin" is just going to have to be the way it is.

ergo, the seat stays down.

Kind of that "respectful common curtesy" thing shown from one partner to the other.

~Lanna
 
You know, if it's up when I walk in, I put it down and have a seat. If it's down when Manu's in, he lifts it up and does his business. It's never been a big deal, like the toilet paper thing. A couple I know had a raging argument about which way to insert the toilet paper roll into the spindle - so the paper pulls towards you, or towards the wall. Am I missing something? Is there a great significance to have the seat up or down? If he put it down for me and I lifted it for him, would our relationship magically rise to the Next Level?

Seriously! I'm not being fastidious here... This isn't the first time I've heard this subject brought up, and I feel really left out because I don't understand why the seat thing is such a conflict-starter. Please explain, someone!
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Yeah, what's up with this toilet seat issue anyway. I shit in the woods. And I squat when I pee also. Unless I have my magnifying glass and can find the dang thang.

Toilet paper? What the hell do you think shirt tails are for?
 
Laurel I agree with you completly! I can't see the big issue wether the seat is up or down.

Or is it because people are just to lazy, or don't want to use the time it takes to adjust it to your own need?? I don't know.


ShyGuy
 
Good point, Laurel...and I can see where you and ShyGuy are coming from, however...I think it's more of a common courtesy for guys to put the seat down.

To elaborate...personally, I am quite capable of putting the seat down, and I'm also capable of opening doors (be it car doors or doors to restaurants). I'd even go so far to say that I can pull my own seat out when dining out. I think the point is that while we are all capable of doing these things, they are all acts which men have done out of courtesy for women...so why exclude the toilet seat?

I formulated my opinions on why men should put the toilet seat down when I was a small child...getting up in the middle of the night, half asleep, I ended up with half my body submerged in very cold water, screaming bloody murder...of course my folks woke up, ready to call out the National Guard for fear that their little girl was being tortured. And once they realized that I was stuck in the potty, they couldn't stop laughing long enough to haul me outa there quickly...but eventually they did.

Perhaps that doesn't justify all of these remarks...just trying to shed some light on the subject, for what it's worth.
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Oh yes...and thanks LL, love ya' too dear.

Horsey...LOOK what you've done! LOL

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Reading this thread, one is tempted to wonder if the recent fixation on sex and pissing has made its splash here, too.

However, I suspect this is more of a Freudian manifestation.

Some women might regard the act of leaving the toilet set up as a phallic symbolism, an aggresive statement of male domination. Certainly, the way female commentators such as Angelique have used the opportunity to introduce generally disparaging remarks about men leads one to ask if, like toilet seats, she prefers her men DOWN?

Overall, it is unwise of women to complain too much about men and bathrooms. In college, I worked as a janitor at a large public recreational facility. If the messes I regularly cleaned up are any indication, then no man could ever match women for their filthy bathroom habits!
 
Oh, SURE, someone who has to boast with a name like Super Swordsman WOULD think of a raised toilet set as an erection...Probably the kind of guy who TALKS about it so much because it happens so rarely!

I think Freud would say that our unregistered friends name would be a phallic symbolism indicating that he is insecure about his penis, but doesn’t want to admit it. Therefore he has to appear secure with it by creating a name such as this.

As for me preferring my men down? That’s a far cry from the truth! I want my men hard and UP...and as often as possible!
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And before anyone even THINKS about it, I'll clarify that I did NOT say I want my men hard up!
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Touche, Angelique...Nice touch there..oh and touch me here...and there again....

Your right, he just didn't get any.....

And btw, I'm sure you already know this but its very common for some people to say one thing when they mean another....sort of a distraction from the truth...such as

Long Blade = short dick

????? = limp dick


I know you understand
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Merlin, you sexy thing...come here!!! And here and here and here! Glad to see you're up, er, I mean aroused...oh damn...you know what I mean. Nice to see ya' here this mornin'!
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