Todd Akin and the Anti-Science House Science Committee

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Aside from the sheer biological ludicrousness of Todd Akin’s ideas on female physiology, one unsettling subplot to the debacle is his presence on the House of Committee on Science, Space and Technology.

That’s right: A man who, to put it gently, ignores what science tells us about how babies are made, helps shape the future of science in America. It would be shocking, but for the fact that many of the committee’s GOP members have spent the last several years displaying comparable contempt for climate science.

Now, there’s no question that climate change is less well understood than human reproduction. The rate at which warming permafrost will release methane is open for debate, whereas it’s a long-settled fact that women can become pregnant from rape. But in both cases, there exists a factual proposition that can be studied through observation and hypothesis-testing — and it’s the scientific method itself that’s ultimately under attack in the House science committee.


The committee’s chair, Ralph Hall (R-Texas), lumps “global freezing” together with global warming, which he doesn’t believe humans can significantly impact because “I don’t think we can control what God controls.” Dana Rohrbacher (R-CA) thinks cutting down trees reduces levels of greenhouse gases they absorb. Mo Brooks (R-Alabama) still trots out the debunked notion that a scientific consensus existed in the 1970s on “global cooling,” which he portrays as a scare concocted by scientists “in order to generate funds for their pet projects.”


'We ought to have some believable science.'Dan Benishek (R-Michigan) strikes that climate-scientists-as-charlatans note, dismissing contemporary research as “all baloney. I think it’s just some scheme.” Paul Broun (R-Georgia) says that “Scientists all over this world say that the idea of human-induced global climate change is one of the greatest hoaxes perpetrated out of the scientific community.”

Broun, who likens the CDC’s encouragement of fruit and vegetable consumption to “socialism of the highest order,” is also seen by some people as anti-scientific for asserting that an embryo is a human being, though that criticism is unfair: When life begins, and whether and how to value the existence of an embryo, are moral questions, and science can’t answer them except to contrast the properties of embryos with people.

Also tarred as anti-scientific are votes against funding certain types of research, from studies on embryonic stem cells to sociology, government support of which has been recently attacked. Funding, however, is ultimately a political decision. It’s possible to reject support for certain scientific endeavors without denying the fundamental validity of science itself, just as it’s possible to think climate change isn’t a terrible problem while respecting the science describing it.

But when it comes to climate and the House science committee, the rhetoric shows that it’s about the validity. And whatever Ralph Hall purports to support when he says, “I’m not anti-science, I’m pro-science. But we ought to have some believable science,” it’s not science.


From: Wired

Note: In looking for examples of scientifically unsupportable statements by members of the House science committee, every single anecdote involved statements by Republicans. Wired would be happy to update the article with examples of statements by Democratic members. If you have any, please add in the comments section.

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Our UD gets a high rate of return from his conjectures, from a pittance of investment in facts.
 
He admitted that he was wrong when the evidence was shown to him and he apologized.

If he had been a Democrat, say Sheila Jackson Lee, who wanted NASA scientists, her constituents, to use the Mars rover to prove once and for all that the astronauts left a flag on the moon...

As far as I am concerned, it is not the fact that he held an erroneous view that is wrong, but the fact that he was willing to correct himself and learn when presented with the current science, which, as we know, may itself one day be outmoded. In short, one cannot be an expert in everything, but if a man can be shown to be an impartial judge, listen to all sides, and come to a correct conclusion, then that, indeed, is qualification enough to serve on a Science committee where he is but one of many members.

Besides, don't they all vote in partisan lockstep anyway?

:eek:

Furthermore, it's not as if he declared that that he had an anonymous phone tip that claimed there was proof that President Obama had not paid his taxes for a full decade...

He actually thought he had source material for what he believed.

But, he was being honest, at least...

He didn't call anyone a felon.

Or a murderer...
 
It's not like he claimed that deficit spending would have us a 5% unemployment by the time of the election, but then again, I guess Economics are not Science and it doesn't matter if your Treasury Secretary cheated on his taxes...



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Dear Reader

Our UD gets a high rate of return from his conjectures, from a pittance of investment in facts.

He is refreshed by his outrage!

Of course, there are no Democrats whose ignorance rises to this level, like the Congressman who was concerned that our additional troops could flip an island over...

That guy would probably be qualified!
 
He admitted that he was wrong when the evidence was shown to him and he apologized.

If he had been a Democrat, say Sheila Jackson Lee, who wanted NASA scientists, her constituents, to use the Mars rover to prove once and for all that the astronauts left a flag on the moon...

As far as I am concerned, it is not the fact that he held an erroneous view that is wrong, but the fact that he was willing to correct himself and learn when presented with the current science, which, as we know, may itself one day be outmoded. In short, one cannot be an expert in everything, but if a man can be shown to be an impartial judge, listen to all sides, and come to a correct conclusion, then that, indeed, is qualification enough to serve on a Science committee where he is but one of many members.

Besides, don't they all vote in partisan lockstep anyway?

:eek:

Furthermore, it's not as if he declared that that he had an anonymous phone tip that claimed there was proof that President Obama had not paid his taxes for a full decade...

He actually thought he had source material for what he believed.

But, he was being honest, at least...

He didn't call anyone a felon.

Or a murderer...

LMAO!

He's on the House -fucking- Science Committee and he had to be shown that his assertion was in error. I could ask that question of my teenaged son and he would laugh at the notion Mr. Akin presented as "fact".

Feel free to take on the challenge presented in the final note of the article rather than tap-dance around and attempt to change the subject.
 
He is refreshed by his outrage!

Of course, there are no Democrats whose ignorance rises to this level, like the Congressman who was concerned that our additional troops could flip an island over...

That guy would probably be qualified!

UD gets his Obama talking points delivered fresh to his home every morning.
 
LMAO!

He's on the House -fucking- Science Committee and he had to be shown that his assertion was in error. I could ask that question of my teenaged son and he would laugh at the notion Mr. Akin presented as "fact".

Feel free to take on the challenge presented in the final note of the article rather than tap-dance around and attempt to change the subject.

Why don't we get a full list of all the members and start asking them some basic Science-Fucking questions.

http://science.house.gov/about/membership

First on the list:

Eddie Bernice Johnson

Longtime Dallas congresswoman Eddie Bernice Johnson has awarded thousands of dollars in college scholarships to four relatives and a top aide's two children since 2005, using foundation funds set aside for black lawmakers' causes. Eddie Bernice Johnson
The recipients were ineligible under anti-nepotism rules of the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation, which provided the money. And all of the awards violated a foundation requirement that scholarship winners live or study in a caucus member's district.
Johnson, a Democrat, denied any favoritism when asked about the scholarships last week. Two days later, she acknowledged in a statement released by her office that she had violated the rules but said she had done so "unknowingly" and would work with the foundation to "rectify the financial situation."
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/comm...8-Rep-Eddie-Bernice-Johnson-violated-2901.ece
;) ;)
 
I know everybody is out for Akin's onions....But, has anyone, stopped, thought to themselves....Self, Where on err'fff did he come up with this.

Little inside baseball...chin music. The Idea, A wOO'mans body shutting down. You have to believe history didn't start the day you were born.

Do a little research into: The Alan Guttmacher Institute. A 1970's Guttmacher Institute, journal article, made this claim, That a woman's body shuts down in the event of a physical rape. Guttmacher Ins. is a Financial strong arm for PPH....Planned Parent-Hood....

Certainly the comment from a Republican Candidate is just evil, and a political football. But, Akin isn't the bearer of that news....it's origins come from a Pro-Abortion MD..... Just a little extra cream in your coffee
 
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Lovin' the cream...

However, just to be fair, it's also like saying the Obamacare mandate is a Republican idea cooked up by Heritage and Romney...

;) ;)
 
And note, he won't re-examine new evidence the way Todd Akin did.

U_D? Change his mind? Oh hell no!

He's Omniscient!

;) ;)

UD prolly believes the science committee members play with Gilbert chemistry sets all day.
 
He admitted that he was wrong when the evidence was shown to him and he apologized.

If he had been a Democrat, say Sheila Jackson Lee, who wanted NASA scientists, her constituents, to use the Mars rover to prove once and for all that the astronauts left a flag on the moon...

As far as I am concerned, it is not the fact that he held an erroneous view that is wrong, but the fact that he was willing to correct himself and learn when presented with the current science, which, as we know, may itself one day be outmoded. In short, one cannot be an expert in everything, but if a man can be shown to be an impartial judge, listen to all sides, and come to a correct conclusion, then that, indeed, is qualification enough to serve on a Science committee where he is but one of many members.

Besides, don't they all vote in partisan lockstep anyway?

:eek:

Furthermore, it's not as if he declared that that he had an anonymous phone tip that claimed there was proof that President Obama had not paid his taxes for a full decade...

He actually thought he had source material for what he believed.

But, he was being honest, at least...

He didn't call anyone a felon.

Or a murderer...

Ole Dances With Falsehoods can excuse ANY egregious behavior. :rolleyes:

Tell us, AJ, how many bills had Sheila Jackson introduced that actually codify her looney tunes beliefs?

Take that number and compare it to the bills that Akin and his pal Paul Ryan have introduced, trying to make their "personhood" theory teh law of teh land.

Then hang your head in shame.
 
He admitted that he was wrong when the evidence was shown to him and he apologized.
Assuming that he actually believes now that women can get pregnant from rape, he's still an idiot.
Anyone worthy of being on the Science committee would question something that flies in the face of common sense before using it to justify a political position. But when your "science" is based on morality then there's no reason to question it.

Longtime Dallas congresswoman Eddie Bernice Johnson has awarded thousands of dollars in college scholarships to four relatives and a top aide's two children since 2005, using foundation funds set aside for black lawmakers' causes. Eddie Bernice Johnson
The recipients were ineligible under anti-nepotism rules of the Congressional Black Caucus Foundation, which provided the money. And all of the awards violated a foundation requirement that scholarship winners live or study in a caucus member's district.
Johnson, a Democrat, denied any favoritism when asked about the scholarships last week. Two days later, she acknowledged in a statement released by her office that she had violated the rules but said she had done so "unknowingly" and would work with the foundation to "rectify the financial situation."
I'm sorry, you're going to have to explain how the above has anything to do with scientific knowledge.

As for the rest of the Akins defense, he was only used in the OP as just one example of committee being clueless about science.
 
I know everybody is out for Akin's onions....But, has anyone, stopped, thought to themselves....Self, Where on err'fff did he come up with this.

From a physician named John C. Willke, a former president of the National Right to Life Committee, who published a book with that hypothesis in it in 1971, and is still touting it; see here.

The assertion can be traced back to Dr. Jack C. Willke, the former president of the U.S. National Right to Life Committee. Willke and his wife, Barbara, are leading antiabortion advocates and authors of the book “Why Can't We Love Them Both: Questions and Answers About Abortion."

They contend in the book, first published in 1971, that “assault rape” rarely results in pregnancy because the assault traumatizes the woman and makes her body less habitable.

It’s ”just downright unusual” for a woman to get pregnant from a rape, Willke said in an interview Monday. He said studies have shown this to be true, but produced little evidence beyond a few footnotes that cite a handful of decades-old papers.

“This goes back 30 and 40 years. When a woman is assaulted and raped, there’s a tremendous amount of emotional upset within her body,” Willke said, adding that this trauma “can radically upset her possibility of ovulation, fertilization, implantation and even nurturing of a pregnancy.”

“No one really knows” how often those emotional effects prevent pregnancy, Willke said, but he estimated that there are just one or two pregnancies for every 1,000 rapes.

That contradicts research published in the 1990s in the Journal of American Obstetrics and Gynecology, which found that the occurrence of rape-related pregnancies is 5%. More than 32,000 women experience rape-related pregnancy every year, the research found.

Scientists at St. Lawrence University in Canton, N.Y., concluded in 2001 that the rate of rape-related pregnancy is even higher -- 6.4%, twice the rate of pregnancy from consensual sex.

But Willke is not deterred. He said Akin erred not in suggesting that the female body can shut down an unwanted pregnancy, but in using the term “legitimate rape.”

“There is no such thing as a legitimate rape,” Willke said, adding that Akin should have said “assault rape." The term “assault rape” or “forcible rape” makes it clear that the woman suffered some sort of trauma -- the type of thing that supposedly shuts the reproductive system down, Willke said.

Willke's claim is published in the millions of copies of his book -- which has been printed in 21 languages and sold around the world and on the website abortionfacts.com.

Willke is not the only person to make this argument, but he is its most unabashed advocate.

Arkansas politician Fay Boozman said in the late 1990s that “fear-induced hormonal changes could block a rape victim’s ability to conceive,” but later apologized for the statement, saying it was "not statistically based."

Pennsylvania state Rep. Stephen Freind, in the 1980s, suggested that rape causes women to “secrete a certain secretion which has the tendency to kill sperm.” He was roundly ridiculed and eventually took the less radical -- but still unproven -- position that “hormone-triggering factors” might “delay, disrupt or prohibit” ovulation.
 
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So far, I have gone down the list and there is an alarming paucity of any evidence of Science degrees.

A lot seem to have law degrees...

;) ;)

Ah! Law degree! Law degrees are just the ticket for almost anything you can imagine.
 
I know everybody is out for Akin's onions....But, has anyone, stopped, thought to themselves....Self, Where on err'fff did he come up with this.

I'm not sure that locating the origins of utter stupidity is a useful exercise. I'm more interested in identifying sources of brilliance.
 
I'm not sure that locating the origins of utter stupidity is a useful exercise. I'm more interested in identifying sources of brilliance.

In science? Academic departments and peer-reviewed journals, mainly.
 
He admitted that he was wrong when the evidence was shown to him and he apologized.

Missed this. I know he apologized for using the word 'legitimate' instead of maybe 'forcible' or something, but afaik he stuck to his guns on the actual issue and policy that is derived from it.

Usually futile to ask here, but: Link?
 
Missed this. I know he apologized for using the word 'legitimate' instead of maybe 'forcible' or something, but afaik he stuck to his guns on the actual issue and policy that is derived from it.

Usually futile to ask here, but: Link?
He said it on the Today Show I think. But there's no way to know if he's sincere. Even if he is I think he's an idiot for believing it in the first place.

Interestingly, while looking for his admission of being stupid, I came across a reference to some studies that seem to show that a woman is actually more likely to get pregnant from rape than from consensual sex.
 
There are a lot of people on all the congressional committees that probably shouldn't be there. Big fuckin' deal. We wait until some asshole redneck from Trailer Park, USA says something before we take notice?
 
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