Today's World Cup thought

[Scruffy]

Shouldn't all the coaches have to be from the country they coach?

The reason I mention this is because I've often thought of a coach as sort of a 6th man(Basketball term the soccer equiv would be twelfth man I guess) in that a good coach can make the difference between a good team and a bad team.

And if the World Cup is supposed to be about a country beating every other country in soccer prowess shouldn't coachin be a part of that?

I'd never let an American coach Team Canada in hockey.

 

[Xander]

No it doesnt work that way.

The coach can be from any country, however he/she has to be a residence of the country they coach.

 

[Scruffy]

No it doesnt work that way.

The coach can be from any country, however he/she has to be a residence of the country they coach.

Xander, re-read my post. I said "should" not "is" I think it should be that way. I know it isn't. But it should.

 

[p_p_man]

Xander, re-read my post. I said "should" not "is" I think it should be that way. I know it isn't. But it should.

No way!

We don't want some loser Brit coaching our national heroes...

We've had enough of those in the past!

 

[Xander]

Xander, re-read my post. I said "should" not "is" I think it should be that way. I know it isn't. But it should.

Oh alright sorry, my bad there.

I see your point though, dont neccersarily agree with it, but I see your point.

 

[solid_]

A foreign coach can bring something differnt.

We all like to have the best coach and if that coach happens to be foreign then who the hell cares.

 

[Scruffy]

No way!

We don't want some loser Brit coaching our national heroes...

We've had enough of those in the past!

But then don't you owe some of your victory to Sweden(Not to mention Canada)

 

[Scruffy]

A foreign coach can bring something differnt.

We all like to have the best coach and if that coach happens to be foreign then who the hell cares.

Because it means that a national victory owes parts to another nation. It also, if you don't mind me saying, dissuades a country from investing in developing coaching skills at home if they can merely hire one from another nation.

 

[solid_]

But then don't you owe some of your victory to Sweden(Not to mention Canada)

Whats canada got to do with it.

And dont forget England gave the beautiful game to the world if we had kept it to ourselfs there will be no world cup no swedish coachs.

Do you get my drift.?

 

[Scruffy]

Whats canada got to do with it.

And dont forget England gave the beautiful game to the world if we had kept it to ourselfs there will be no world cup no swedish coachs.

Do you get my drift.?

One of your players is Canadian.

And no, I don't get your drift. You're not being coherent, to say nothing of intelligent.

 

[solid_]

Because it means that a national victory owes parts to another nation. It also, if you don't mind me saying, dissuades a country from investing in developing coaching skills at home if they can merely hire one from another nation.

It swings both ways if we (England) where churning out top coachs other nations will be chaseing them.

On the whole teams that do well have a foreign coach at the helm.

Ok maybe we owe sweden a pat on the back.

 

[p_p_man]

But then don't you owe some of your victory to Sweden(Not to mention Canada)

The whole army of backstage boys who helped our team to victory today come from different nations...

Soccer is such a major world business there probably wouldn't be enough people of the home nationality to meet the staff requirements.

And if you impose that sort of restriction on national sides you would never see the likes of Cameroon or Nigeria or Japan playing at this level. They just don't have the managerial skills. They will eventually but at the moment, no.

 

[solid_]

One of your players is Canadian.

And no, I don't get your drift. You're not being coherent, to say nothing of intelligent.

Doh do I have to explain it in simple terms, lol.

England gave football to the world right, you follow me.?

How whould we be able to have a foreign coach if football never became a sport in sweden or any other country for that matter ? If we never introduced the sport to the world 150 something years ago.

 

[Scruffy]

The whole army of backstage boys who helped our team to victory today come from different nations...

Soccer is such a major world business there probably wouldn't be enough people of the home nationality to meet the staff requirements.

And if you impose that sort of restriction on national sides you would never see the likes of Cameroon or Nigeria or Japan playing at this level. They just don't have the managerial skills. They will eventually but at the moment, no.

1. I doubt it. I thought England was soccer mad.

2. Your second point, from my point of view, is like saying we should let bad soccer countries play with a smaller net. Yes it would help them but they shouldn't do it all the same.

What I'm saying in effect is that the Coach of a team is the boss of the team and he should be from the country he coaches otherwise how much "england" will win the world cup is dicey at best.

 

[Scruffy]

Doh do I have to explain it in simple terms, lol.

England gave football to the world right, you follow me.?

How whould we be able to have a foreign coach if football never became a sport in sweden or any other country for that matter ? If we never introduced the sport to the world 150 something years ago.

Now explain how that relates to my point. It doesn't. So who cares who invented the game.

 

[solid_]

One of your players is Canadian.

And had his soccer education in Germany.

His mother is English country of birth canadian dont see how it makes a differnce. Maybe England is hes only chance of making a worldcup that why he picked England over canada.

So dont see how it makes any differnce. If you applied what your saying to the irish over half the players are only in there cause they had a irish great granny. And picked to play for Ireland cause they not good enough to be picked by England.

 

[Scruffy]

And had his soccer education in Germany.

His mother is English country of birth canadian dont see how it makes a differnce. Maybe England is hes only chance of making a worldcup that why he picked England over canada.

So dont see how it makes any differnce. If you applied what your saying to the irish over half the players are only in there cause they had a irish great granny. And picked to play for Ireland cause they not good enough to be picked by England.

Why do you assume I give two rats asses? He's canadian and that's that.

And woe be upon the traitor who decides his nationality based on how strong the soccer team is.

 

[solid_]

Scruffy you not a Dane by any chance are you ? and want to have a dig, lol.

 

[Scruffy]

No canadian.

 

[p_p_man]

1. I doubt it. I thought England was soccer mad.

2. Your second point, from my point of view, is like saying we should let bad soccer countries play with a smaller net. Yes it would help them but they shouldn't do it all the same.

What I'm saying in effect is that the Coach of a team is the boss of the team and he should be from the country he coaches otherwise how much "england" will win the world cup is dicey at best.

1. I don't think you realise just how large the industry is.

2. The countries have the players. They just don't have the coaches. You want to penalise a footballing potential for that?

3. Why. The team is the national side with citizens of the country only being allowed to play. What difference does it make where the coach or any of the thousands of staff come from. Working on your basis England would stand no chance in this World Cup. We didn't have the man for the coaching job.

And they looked believe me, they looked...

 

[solid_]

Why do you assume I give two rats asses? He's canadian and that's that.

And woe be upon the traitor who decides his nationality based on how strong the soccer team is.

He's only played 1 n 1/2 games for England in this worldcup I figure England whould have been on plane home last week if it wasn't for him getting injured.

His injury enabled England to find there best starting XI.

 

[Scruffy]

1. I don't think you realise just how large the industry is.

2. The countries have the players. They just don't have the coaches. You want to penalise a footballing potential for that?

3. Why. The team is the national side with citizens of the country only being allowed to play. What difference does it make where the coach or any of the thousands of staff come from. Working on your basis England would stand no chance in this World Cup. We didn't have the man for the coaching job.

And they looked believe me, they looked...

1. No? Maybe but I'd bet I'm right here.

2. Yes, I do. coaching is a part of the game. It is, to my mind, like a country not developing a decent goaltender. I think that highly of coaches.

3. Which should be England's bad luck. The Coach chooses the team, sets the strategy and other stuff relating to soccer I might not be up on. I think, to some degree, the players on the England side would be as good regardless of who was playing.

 

[Ask For More]

Why do you assume I give two rats asses? He's canadian and that's that.

And woe be upon the traitor who decides his nationality based on how strong the soccer team is.

Nationality is always tenous. For example when Jamaica was qualifying for the world cup, suddenly picked up a load of english guys who's mother was Jamaican or something like that.

I am born in England and my passport is British, but, in the unlikely circumstance that I was approached to play football for England, I would tell them to stuff it up their backside because I am chinese. I don't give a rat's ass if China are shit, but there ya go.

I think the point everyone is trying to make here, is that football is a global game, and each country has evolved their own styles over time. The Italians play boring slow placed football, the Spanish play fast stlyish football, the Brazilian play a flair game, and so on and so on. Since there are so many clubs, so many players, so many coaches, the nationality of these coaches isn't really an issue anymore. It's not like American sports like Basketball, where nearly all the players are american, and therefore all the coaches are american. I'm sure there are a few americans in charge of some national teams in basketball, baseball and so forth.

If your team wins, who cares? Beckham is a national icon at the moment, but as soon as the Premiership starts he'll go back to being public enemy number one for most fans. When the USA go to the Olympics(using basketball again as an example), everyone loves Shaq, Kobe etc, but as soon as the season starts it's back to being hated again. Sports fans are fickle; as long as your team wins, who cares?

 

[solid_]

No canadian.

A little bitter Canada not at worldcup then ?

Lennox Lewis is canadian to but when it comes to boxing his a brit thru and thru.

Greg Rudeski (tennis) is another.

You got me wondering now why canadas top sports talent turn there back on the country they was born or raised in and wrap them selfs in another countrys flag.

 

[Scruffy]

A little bitter Canada not at worldcup then ?

Lennox Lewis is canadian to but when it comes to boxing his a brit thru and thru.

Greg Rudeski (tennis) is another.

You got me wondering now why canadas top sports talent turn there back on the country they was born or raised in and wrap them selfs in another countrys flag.

Well, first off Soccer has never been a big deal for me. I could really care less whether or not Canada is in the world cup.

Lennox Lewis is not British. There was more money in his pretending to be British but that's his business. When he was choosing what country he truly represents he chose Canada. He could have fought for england in the Olympics but he won that Gold medal for Canada.

but that's beside the point. Canada's best do not turn their back on our Country. In fact our truly great athletes(Steve Nash, Wayne Gretzky, Larry Walker) have great reps in their sports for repping Canada whenever, wherever.

Yes, in certain sports that Canada does not give two good god damns about some selfish players choose themselves over their country but that's their business.