To The Men in White Coats

shy slave

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This is an open letter to the men (and women) in white coats.

The Lit BDSM boards are a place many people use to be the other side of themselves. Other people use it as a means to educate and nurture people with an interest in BDSM, yet other people use it for discussion and honesty about a subject which in many countries is considered taboo.

The ‘net is an open universe. There is no membership to Lit and if there were there would be ways around it.
Lurking is not prohibited and free speech is advocated.

People here make friends, talk offline, tease and ask questions online.
It is part of real life. Just as email is checked so are posts on the boards.

In the back of our minds we know there are people who lurk, who sit with cock, vibe or both in hand, reading threads, looking at pictures and following links but they never post.

The upfront honesty of one recent poster has put you, the people in white coats, on the Lit map.
As well as lurkers, wankers and trolls we are now very aware of a different breed of people watching without speaking.

When this first came to light, I was surprised at by own naivety in not realising this would happen.
Many of us are not so cocooned in the warm glow of anonymity that we do not attempt to protect our privacy at a basic level. When one of us posts pics which may reveal more than we intended, a private message quickly ensures the balance is put right.

But you are different.

You hide, watch, sometime post in order to see a reaction and then return to lurk mode.

It is not a violation of our privacy, there is no privacy on the net.
But it does creep into every thought about every post read. Ever person, not just new posters, are viewed with suspicion. Do they have a hidden agenda, why are they acting in that manner in response to a post? These questions creep into the conscious mind, making a distrust pervade the boards.
Of course, you may argue that the only difference is we have now been told you exist.
In which case, there should be discussion as to whether ignorance is indeed bliss.
Every post written that reveals the personal heartache someone is going through; is met with a thought about you and what you will read into it.

People do not always discuss BDSM. As we get to know each other we discuss personal issues and health worries. Just as you would with a neighbour, friend or family.

Do you sit and wait to see who sends :rose: , :kiss: or {{hugs}}. Do you watch to see who gives advice, who ignores it, and what the original posters response is?
Or do you wonder at the fall of society when succour comes from people who have never met in real life and live all over the world?

Of course this is actually your opportunity to ask subjects you are studying about their behaviour and it is also the subjects’ opportunity to reply.

When animals, either in a natural setting or in a cage are observed there is no opportunity to discover what is really happening in their minds.
Now you can.
Equally, now, the mice in cages can respond.

Does it invalidate your research now we are aware of your existence in this net cage with us?
If so where will you move to next? If it makes little difference will the net end up with small groups with membership restrictions in order to be the community that Lit once was?

I believe the Brighton and Hove study are not actually studying BDSM but bisexuality, but do you look at the BDSM boards to see if there are correlations between BDSM communities and Bi communities?
I am interested in what specific universities are studying and the hypothesis of each study?
I can’t help but wonder where your studies of net life will be published.
Will it form part of therapy for ‘sex addiction’ or net addiction’ and, in time, will there be clinics to help us come to terms with the fact that we know and talk to people we have not met and cannot see?
In relation to the UK universities is this one way of supplementing poor grants from the Government and ensure your existence in the world of academia?

Please feel free to answer any or all of these questions; I look forward to any responses given.
 
shy slave said:
Does it invalidate your research now we are aware of your existence in this net cage with us?

Not if they're using participant observation it doesn't!
 
Miss Shy thank you for the initiation of this Thread. I stand behind your post and thank you for articulating so eloquently issues that have pervaded this 'home' of sorts in recent times.

with respect

@}-}rebecca-----

'But helpless Pieces of the Game He plays
Upon this Chequer-board of Nights and Days;
Hither and thither moves, and checks, and slays,
And one by one back in the Closet lays.'
 
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I am going to be VERY surprised if they respond. Kinda ruins their whole lurking thing, doesn't it?
 
I know there are people who seriously lurk ( they prefer to say they observe ) for "academic " purposes but when those purposes are mainstream shown out rarely they are serious ones ... to be in a place where one shouldn't be for "academic" studies is an excuse old as the world !

Even the poor naive me used it a couple of time in my beginning times on net :rolleyes: ...lol

Usually they are just curious people who think to become more interesting talking of future books and researches they are going to do .

Unresolved people IMO

People who seriously study rarely talk or show themselves , hey but that is just my experience !

PS to the lurkers ....feed the caged animals with some pill of wisdom sometimes ..we need some good laugh now and then :) :rose:
 
Sneaky suckers

That sucks.

The last few times I had my head examined they at least had the courtesy to tell me in advance.

Fortunately I came out of it in better shape than the doctors looking at me. After poking around in my head one of them decided to become a cloistered monk and the other had to be institutionalized.

Must have been a coincidence.
 
Did I miss something? Was there a big uproar on the boards here that I somehow didn't catch?

I always miss out on the fun. :(
 
babiesmiles said:
I know there are people who seriously lurk ( they prefer to say they observe ) for "academic " purposes but when those purposes are mainstream shown out rarely they are serious ones ... to be in a place where one shouldn't be for "academic" studies is an excuse old as the world !

Even the poor naive me used it a couple of time in my beginning times on net :rolleyes: ...lol

Usually they are just curious people who think to become more interesting talking of future books and researches they are going to do .

Unresolved people IMO

People who seriously study rarely talk or show themselves , hey but that is just my experience !

PS to the lurkers ....feed the caged animals with some pill of wisdom sometimes ..we need some good laugh now and then :) :rose:

I am not referring to the wannabes I am addressing those who are actually using this site for research.
They are being given funding and pay people to lurk, watch and make comparisons to prove or disprove an agreed hypothesis.

One poster here outed herself as being one of these people who worked for university. She said she did not work for Brighton & Hove Uni who are doing a study on bisexuality and gaining research about it from Lit.

Grace I have no opinion on whether the people I have given an open letter respond.
I simply wanted to voice my views and ask questions relating to their work.

I was not flaming them nor being disrespectful, the net is a free place and anyone is able to do just about anything online.
However I did want to give them an opportunity to be open about what they are doing and why. I offered a platform for them nothing more.

The cynic in me says they have been waiting for someone to write a thread like this, ever since it bacame public knowledge they were around.
 
This is interesting. Where can we find the original post from the man in a white coat?
 
If the Heisenberg Uncertainty Priciple is anything to go by, I doubt any researchers would let themselves be known, as to not tamper with any results of their studies.
 
I'm with O'Mac on this one. I think I missed something. I guess it makes sence that someone might be watching and taking notes....Buuuuut I never really noticed. :rolleyes:
 
O'Mac said:
If the Heisenberg Uncertainty Priciple is anything to go by, I doubt any researchers would let themselves be known, as to not tamper with any results of their studies.

Beyond that, I just don't see anyone who knows what they're doing watching us. We're hardly a controlled group. For one thing, we're all online. As we all know a good deal of the people here are faking it. Beyond that their's no one to be sure that we are what we say we are. As shy's remarked she could be a 70 year old man. I'd think that if they were going to observe they'd prefer to go to a munch or play party.
 
Ahahahaah! I've been studying you guys for a long time. It's me, I'm the lurker! I did it. :devil:
 
I don't feel its my place to state where these posts are but they have been made in the past three weeks when many of you have been posting regularly so they are there.

The study is not on human behaviour in the real world its about online behaviour and interactions online. Not something that can be found at a munch.
As I understand it through pm's with one such white coat person, various studies are made of various sites, Lit is just one of them. This person is also studying a gardening site.

Much has been said in the media about net and sex addiction, it is only a matter of time before books are written, therapy course introduced and someone somewhere will make money from spying on Lit and other sites.

That saddens me, we are the white mice for such 21st century clap trap designed to make relationships miserable and other people rich. All under the guise of science
 
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I didn't have a problem saying what I could about the post(s).

These sorts of studies always seems inherently false to me, particularly as I get more information but, if people want to study such things under such conditions and other people take it seriously their problem not mine, I don't really care.

Fury :rose:
 
FurryFury said:
I didn't have a problem saying what I could about the post(s).

These sorts of studies always seems inherently false to me, particularly as I get more information but, if people want to study such things under such conditions and other people take it seriously their problem not mine, I don't really care.

Fury :rose:

FF I started writing my post, got side tracked with work, came back and finished it; meantime you had posted and I was not aware.

I was not finger pointing or being a sanctamonious bitch when I said I would not 'out them' just crossed posts.
 
shy slave said:
I don't feel its my place to state where these posts are but they have been made in the past three weeks when many of you have ben posting regularly so they are there.

The study is not on human behaviour in the real world its about online behaviour and interactions online. Not something that can be found at a munch.
As I understand it through pm's with one such white coat person, various studies are made of various sites, Lit is just one of them. This person is also studying a gardening site.

Much has been said in the media about net and sex addiction, it is only a matter of time before books are written, therapy course introduced and someone somewhere will make money from spying on Lit and other sites.

That saddens me, we are the white mice for such 21st century clap trap designed to make relationships miserable and other people rich. All under the guise of science

I find that kind of invasive. But the point of the internet is to connect with other people, and if you're going to post, you have to accept that other people can read your posts, and those other people have a variety of purposes.
I find it ethically questionable to do the equivalent of eavesdropping for one's own purposes, and it saddens me that it happens, but does it surprise me?
Sadly, no.
Why do you think I have been so adamant about not posting my picture?
If I knew that everyone who came here was in the community, I would consider doing it. Because I know that isn't the case, I refrain.
 
shy slave said:
FF I started writing my post, got side tracked with work, came back and finished it; meantime you had posted and I was not aware.

I was not finger pointing or being a sanctamonious bitch when I said I would not 'out them' just crossed posts.

No worries, I didn't take it that way at all!

*smiles*

I figured it was crossed posting.

Fury :rose:
 
brioche said:
I find that kind of invasive. But the point of the internet is to connect with other people, and if you're going to post, you have to accept that other people can read your posts, and those other people have a variety of purposes.
I find it ethically questionable to do the equivalent of eavesdropping for one's own purposes, and it saddens me that it happens, but does it surprise me?
Sadly, no.
Why do you think I have been so adamant about not posting my picture?
If I knew that everyone who came here was in the community, I would consider doing it. Because I know that isn't the case, I refrain.

I've never posted my face either.

*nods*

Fury :rose:
 
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I'm not sure how I managed a double post. *grr*

Fury :rose:
 
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Oh, sorry shy. I was under the impression that they were writing a letter about the bdsm community, which made no sense to me. :eek:

As to 'net addiction' - I'm sure it exists, but I think that you're right. Miserable people want everyone else to be miserable, too. I have a friend. She's a single mom, works all day, comes home, takes care of her kids, then puts them to bed and gets online for a few hours. Her shrink told her that she was 'running from reality' and shouldn't be spending to much time online. :rolleyes: She was telling me this (via IM hehe) and I was just absolutley irritated. She's got a full life, she's got friends and work and her kids. So what if she wants to escape a little in the evening? I mean for God's sakes, heaven forbid that she get a little break from the reality of her life?

She said I was making more sense to her than her shrink, and requested a new dr. :nana:
 
graceanne said:
Oh, sorry shy. I was under the impression that they were writing a letter about the bdsm community, which made no sense to me. :eek:

As to 'net addiction' - I'm sure it exists, but I think that you're right. Miserable people want everyone else to be miserable, too. I have a friend. She's a single mom, works all day, comes home, takes care of her kids, then puts them to bed and gets online for a few hours. Her shrink told her that she was 'running from reality' and shouldn't be spending to much time online. :rolleyes: She was telling me this (via IM hehe) and I was just absolutley irritated. She's got a full life, she's got friends and work and her kids. So what if she wants to escape a little in the evening? I mean for God's sakes, heaven forbid that she get a little break from the reality of her life?

She said I was making more sense to her than her shrink, and requested a new dr. :nana:

I agree you did make a lot more sense and it's good she changed doctors.

Fury :rose:
 
Heck, I'm on line every day. So what if it makes me addicted. I don't run red lights, I don't do illegal drugs, I have never been arrested for anything.

Since I can't afford to go out to dinner & a movie and dancing every night, this is my way to unwind and relax.

Sure there are fakes and trolls out there but why should I let them spoil my time? The more annoying ones can be put on ignore, and the rest I can just shrug off.

I would think that for an authoritative study that this group has no control, nor can you verify any information you are attempting to quantify. Some study. :p
 
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