To Everyone Living in Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont & D.C.

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To Everyone Living in Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont & D.C.

I've just learned that you're living in the equivalent of North Korea!

New York Archbishop Tim Dolan suggests that if lawmakers pass the marriage equality bill Governor Cuomo unveiled Tuesday, New York will be like communist China or North Korea, where “government presumes daily to ‘redefine’ rights, relationships, values, and natural law.”

Clearly this means that Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont & D.C., who have legalized such marriage equality, must be like North Korea! I had no idea those state governments were so repressive!

Can we help to smuggle you poor people out of those horrible places?

 

[LettersFromTatyana]

I've just learned that you're living in the equivalent of North Korea!


Clearly this means that Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont & D.C., who have legalized such marriage equality, must be like North Korea! I had no idea those state governments were so repressive!

Can we help to smuggle you poor people out of those horrible places?

I've lived in four North Koreas? Do I get a prize for that?

 

[voluptuary_manque]

The archbishop still doesn't understand that the church has no authority over who gets married and who doesn't. All he can do is refuse to bless the union. Fine, then! The following churches will. Let the RCC wither on its own bramble.

Anglican

The Episcopal Church (United States) blesses same-sex unions.

some American Quaker meetings (see Homosexuality and Quakerism).

Metropolitan Community Church perform same-sex marriages.

Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (2009) – During its 2009 Churchwide Assembly the ELCA passed a resolution by a vote of 619-402 reading “Resolved, that the ELCA commit itself to finding ways to allow congregations that choose to do so to recognize, support and hold publicly accountable lifelong, monogamous, same-gender relationships.”

United Church of Christ (2005) – the specifics of the resolution did not change any church's religious marriage policies, but urged UCC congregations to advocate for civil marriage equality. In keeping with the polity of that denomination, doctrinal matters like wedding policies remain under the authority of each local congregation.

Old Catholic Church.

Liberal Catholic Church.

 

[lovecraft68]

I've just learned that you're living in the equivalent of North Korea!


Clearly this means that Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont & D.C., who have legalized such marriage equality, must be like North Korea! I had no idea those state governments were so repressive!

Can we help to smuggle you poor people out of those horrible places?

Whew! Good thing I am in free spirited little Rhody! Tell you what I am born and raised here and never knew these fascists were all around me!

 

[TE999]

I've just learned that you're living in the equivalent of North Korea!


Clearly this means that Connecticut, Iowa, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont & D.C., who have legalized such marriage equality, must be like North Korea! I had no idea those state governments were so repressive!

Can we help to smuggle you poor people out of those horrible places?

I wonder if the good Archbishop said that before or after he buggered some altar boys? Fucking hypocrite!

 

[Stella_Omega]

I like the "natural Law" bit.

 

[Boota]

The more outlandish the rhetoric gets the more it tells you what is really happening. These kinds of statements are the death throes of the anti-gay marriage crowd. In the not too distant future young people will be shocked that gay marriage ever was illegal. You know, if it doesn't destroy the entire universe and blink our world into nothingness.

 

[3113]

The archbishop still doesn't understand that the church has no authority over who gets married and who doesn't.

Actually, I think he assumes it does have authority (or has had authority) over telling certain people in New York government what to do--which makes the North Korea all the more ironic.

But I just don't get the panic over this. I mean, divorce is legal in New York. That hasn't changed the Catholic Church's stance on it. If the church wants to maintain that being gay is a sin, whether gays can or can't marry won't change that. So what does it matter to the Archbishop? He gets to keep things exactly the way they are and have always been in his little corner of the universe, namely, in his churches.

 

[3113]

Whew! Good thing I am in free spirited little Rhody! Tell you what I am born and raised here and never knew these fascists were all around me!

Thank heavens! There are members of the AH in those states, Lovecraft, good people and we've gotta get 'em out! You're in the perfect position to sneak them over the borders. You'll need some twine, a duck, and a pair of semaphore flags.....

 

[3113]

It's Only Natural!

I like the "natural Law" bit.

Heterosexual marriage is part of natural law. Just look at these wedding pictures from the animal kingdom....

http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2011/5/2/cc54d799-916b-4abf-ba94-5ad47505092c.jpghttp://msnbcmedia.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/pb-110214-rabbit-da-01.photoblog900.jpghttp://2.bp.blogspot.com/_p1D2LDorxs4/S8z7-sGN2uI/AAAAAAAAAAU/M6_jan4uQ9Q/s1600/Animal-Weddings.jpg

 

[stephen55]

I recall reading about a US politician who tried an interesting experiment on people's attitudes towards gay marriage. (I wish I could remember the politician's name.)

Apparently what he did was take note of people's names and phone numbers when they called him to voice their opposition to gay marriage. Then he waited several month and called them back. He then asked them the questions, "What has gay marriage done to you personally over the last few months? How has it effected you, your marriage, your family and your life?"

Not surprisingly, the answers were almost 100%, "Not at all."

I think this was a great way to show people that giving everyone the right to marry does absolutely nothing to harm or change heterosexual marriage.

Did anyone else read about this and can you provide a link?

 

[lloyd_5]

Knee jerk is all very well, but . . .

For the church, marriage is a sacrament, goes back to Jesus in Canaan and is indubitably linked by the religious 'powers-that-be' to rights of succession, inheritance and all that jazz.

How many couples marrying think beyond the drama of the occasion to any religious belief?

We need to leave marriage to the religio fanatics and create a solemn ceremony for a federal contract of commitment in partnership that everyone, hetero, gay or lesbian must contract to.

I would add that the contempt expressed by gay/lesbian campaigners for the problems of same sex siblings (especially sisters) who want to create a mutual contract is a tad hypocritical. Wanting a loving, public commitment is not just about sex but much deeper emotions.

The battle would be quicker won if we separated churches from the fundamental right to pledge allegiance.

Just to add, how do we handle divorce (not a religious word)?

 

[lovecraft68]

Thank heavens! There are members of the AH in those states, Lovecraft, good people and we've gotta get 'em out! You're in the perfect position to sneak them over the borders. You'll need some twine, a duck, and a pair of semaphore flags.....

Yes I will get in and get them out! Luckily for me my wife was born in Boston (fortuntatly she got out!) taking advantage of her citizenshi[ there we will sneak in and try to get as many literoticans as possible into the back of the van-wheree they will probably die from the toxic fumes as we sit in traffic in the Ted Williams tunnel but at least they will die free!

P.s. this post will self destruct in 30 seconds

 

[3113]

Lovecraft? Lovecraft, we've lost contact! Come in! Come in!

Damn it! Blackhawk down in Boston! I repeat, Blackhawk down in Boston!

Quick, everyone, we need to send in a rescue team before they're forced to attend a wedding!

 

[voluptuary_manque]

The Beacons are lit!

 

[voluptuary_manque]

Ride, Ride!

 

[3113]

The Beacons are lit!

Does this mean we're sending in eagles as well as helicopters? That might be against nature....

 

[lovecraft68]

If you are reading this post then alas I have perished. However it also means that my wife who in the midst of tragedy still could not put down her damn phone and recorded my last stand instead of calling for help.

I was trying in vain to save a couple of small literoticans-admittedly only because they promised to put me on their favorites page- when we were besieged upon by trolls from the General Board!

I fought valiantly but unfortunately the arrows were wrapped in paper which was cursed with runes which were the orcish version of Scouries "OH Daddy...I whispered."

I didn't have a chance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGOnGzJhGEk&feature=related

 

[3113]

*Sniff!*

Brave Lovecraft! Who would have suspected that the GB would lay an ambush for us as we tried to free our fellows from those North Korean states...how devious and shameless are those of the GB!

For all that, I say, let us honor him and send him on his way in some glorious fashion. He died for freedom and to preserve our right to define values and natural law.

 

[stephen55]

It's all a scam to claim life insurance money.

 

[3113]

Wait! Wait! I think he may be alive...I'm getting some strange messages out of Boston. They're faint, but he might have been "saved" by the North Korean Bostonians....

Here's one message: "No, I won't go--I didn't even get a wedding invitation!" And here's another: "It's unnatural! Which side do I sit on? The groom's or the groom's?" And the final one, most dire indeed: "I'll take the chicken, my wife will have the fish."

OMG! We've got to get him out of there!