To Craunch a Marmoset

Equinoxe

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I had made reference to this phrase from English As She Is Spoke in a thread elsewhere and it led me to thinking about interesting aspects of marmoset biology—no, really!—which I feel like sharing, because what forum could possibly be complete without a thread about marmosets? Of course, the thread doesn't have to always be about marmosets, or even mostly—nor must it be about craunching. It can be about anything your imagination wants it to be about. Perhaps there will be a happy little tree in the corner.

Now on to it! Marmosets are always, or for all intents and purposes always, non-identical twins. At least in Wied's Marmoset (Callithrix kuhlii), there are several unusual aspects of this which have been observed. Specifically, these siblings have a tendency to share cells in utero, making chimerism a common occurrence (even statistically the norm)—thus marmosets often have multiple sets of DNA. This occurs in a number of species, including humans, on rare occasions, but is common in marmosets and seems to be selected for. It gets stranger, however. Chimerism in marmosets is, in addition to being common, quite extensive, and marmoset twins often even share each other's germ cells (this is called germ-line chimerism). The end result of this is that, genetically, the offspring of one marmoset may actually be the offspring of her sibling. Oh, but things get stranger still. Non-identical twins are not necessarily of the same sex, so a marmoset may possess both XX and XY karyotypes: since they may actually produce viable germ cells of their sibling's genotype, a female marmoset may sometimes produce eggs of her brother's genotype—ergo, there is a possibility that a marmoset's genetic mother may be her uncle.

I love nature in all its weirdness.
 
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I had made reference to this phrase from English As She Is Spoke in a thread elsewhere and it led me to thinking about interesting aspects of marmoset biology—no, really!—which I feel like sharing, because what forum could possibly be complete without a thread about marmosets? Of course, the thread doesn't have to always be about marmosets, or even mostly—nor must it be about craunching. It can be about anything your imagination wants it to be about. Perhaps there will be a happy little tree in the corner.

Now on to it! Marmosets are always, or for all intents and purposes always, non-identical twins. At least in Wied's Marmoset (Callithrix kuhlii), there are several unusual aspects of this which have been observed. Specifically, these siblings have a tendency to share cells in utero, making chimerism a common occurrence (even statistically the norm)—thus marmosets often have multiple sets of DNA. This occurs in a number of species, including humans, on rare occasions, but is common in marmosets and seems to be selected for. It gets stranger, however. Chimerism in marmosets is, in addition to being common, quite extensive, and marmoset twins often even share each other's germ cells (this is called germ-line chimerism). The end result of this is that, genetically, the offspring of one marmoset may actually be the offspring of her sibling. Oh, but things gets stranger still. Non-identical twins are not necessarily of the same sex, so a marmoset may possess both XX and XY karyotypes: since they may actually produce viable germ cells of their sibling's genotype, a female marmoset may sometimes produce eggs of her brother's genotype—ergo, there is a possibility that a marmoset's genetic mother may be her uncle.

I love nature in all its weirdness.


Equinoxe, you are an exceptional, special person. Thank you for sharing all of this interesting information about Marmoset incest (accidental or not). Up to this point I was completely unaware of the fact that there were Marmoset's in Kentucky.
 
. . .since they may actually produce viable germ cells of their sibling's genotype, a female marmoset may sometimes produce eggs of her brother's genotype—ergo, there is a possibility that a marmoset's genetic mother may be her uncle.
The marmoset's a silly being,
Chimerical in utero.
A mammal that can really swing—
'Cos Mom's your Uncle, don't you know.
 
Equinoxe, you are an exceptional, special person. Thank you for sharing all of this interesting information about Marmoset incest (accidental or not). Up to this point I was completely unaware of the fact that there were Marmoset's in Kentucky.

You're welcome (and thank you).

I have never done any craunching (marmosets or otherwise) am I missing out?

Me either, so I couldn't say.

The marmoset's a silly being,
Chimerical in utero.
A mammal that can really swing—
'Cos Mom's your Uncle, don't you know.

Wonderful! There is a paucity of marmoset poems.
 
I would not craunch a marmoset
For should think that it would mind
the implications of the term:
to noisily destroy and grind.

But craunches also can be found
in mining, when one leaves a vein
intact in places to support
a tunnel for a mining train.

I think a craunch of amethyst
or gold or silver would be nice
but it's more likely that a craunch
would be of granite, schist, or gneiss.
 
I found a marmoset in my mailbox just now.
Oddly, it actually wore a collar and an ID tag, but when I called the number on the tag the line was disconnected.

Is this an omen?

It's an excellent marmoset, by the way. Very well mannered. It's even wearing a bow tie.

bj
 
Is a marmoset's mummy it's aunt?
Now it's asking but I just can't
Chose it's dad from it's brother
For it could be the other
When each might change and supplant
 
A veritable simian Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde, no doubt.

Yes, it would!

Dear me. Given how well-mannered it is at the moment, despite the fact that it seems to be unwilling to listen to a word I say, I'm a bit concerned that the depressive cycle could be dangerous.

I'll take my chances, though. It's very talented. Speaks in rhymed quatrains, even. And the formal wear is a nice touch.

I'm starting aforementioned punk band just as soon as I learn to play bass guitar.

bj
 
Dear me. Given how well-mannered it is at the moment, despite the fact that it seems to be unwilling to listen to a word I say, I'm a bit concerned that the depressive cycle could be dangerous.

I'll take my chances, though. It's very talented. Speaks in rhymed quatrains, even. And the formal wear is a nice touch.

I'm starting aforementioned punk band just as soon as I learn to play bass guitar.

bj

I cannot say that I blame you for being willing to take the chance and I think that it is wonderful of you to look beyond the stigma of mental illness. After all, what kind of person would you be if you just abandoned the poor marmoset on account of its mental health?

Bass guitar? You're in luck—you don't have to learn at all for a punk band. You just need someone who can vaguely play the guitar, someone who can vaguely play the drums, and someone who can sing off-key. It worked for the Sex Pistols.
 
Bites lip and refuses to make rude comments about peoples ages! Showing a terrible memory for past history ... is that Elizabethan?
 
Sat on a rock inside a wall
and look like little beast
with skinny fuzz
kibbling teeth to snap
a pea in half and craunch
a marmoset.
 
Is craunching of marmosets somehow related to taming of shrews?
 
the taming of the shrew
is not entirely new
but when it comes to
craunching things
we don't know what to do
 
Wip

Alright..start of a refrain...now I just need verses...hehehe

Craunch him good,
craunch him well,
So that anyone could tell,
the sure thing,
the easy bet,
"They've gone and craunched the marmoset!"


:cool:
 
http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y256/equinoxe/Wieds_Marmoset.jpg

They have such human-like eyes.

Bites lip and refuses to make rude comments about peoples ages! Showing a terrible memory for past history ... is that Elizabethan?

A bit late for Elizabeth (she died in 1603), it would be late Restoration period, I suppose.

Is craunching of marmosets somehow related to taming of shrews?

The phrases come from two very different kinds of genius.
 
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