to anonymous who sent me this...

[perks]

poems titled Still, while this may really piss you off that they are
not all motionless, you should give some credit to people whose artistic
abilities are not as stagnat as your own seem to be at times.Still can
even be used as a verb!! what a shocker...you need to get over your
aversion to titles and your attitude about them not all fitting, huh


I was not being malicious. I was telling you my opinion. It's fine for you to disagree, it's your poem. It just meant I didn't understand your perspective from your poem, and couldn't put the two together. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings.

I wish you hadn't been anonymous, so we could talk about it productively instead of with hurt feelings.

 

[Guest]

T'weren't me but I did accidentally post a buncha Anons by mistake - a moment of dorkism.

 

[Cordelia]

Hmmm...

I never send anonymous feedback. But I did have someone send me a comment saying I was "too subtle." <chuckle>

I guess we were all inspired in different ways by the title.

I tried to convey three meanings of the word in my poem, without actually using the word. <shrug>

I haven't enjoyed reading a group of poems like I enjoyed the "still" poems in ages. They were all so good and conveyed all the nuances of the wonderful title.

I vote Tristesse as "Title-Master" from now on.


Cordelia

 

[Angeline]

poems titled Still, while this may really piss you off that they are
not all motionless, you should give some credit to people whose artistic
abilities are not as stagnat as your own seem to be at times.Still can
even be used as a verb!! what a shocker...you need to get over your
aversion to titles and your attitude about them not all fitting, huh


I was not being malicious. I was telling you my opinion. It's fine for you to disagree, it's your poem. It just meant I didn't understand your perspective from your poem, and couldn't put the two together. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings.

I wish you hadn't been anonymous, so we could talk about it productively instead of with hurt feelings.

Wasn't me, my dear--I never send anonymous feedback.

Dear person who said this to perks:

Perks is cool. She's honest. Honest is good. I've been flamed in feedback and public comments, and I've got criticism that I needed to hear, too. Don't take this stuff personally, even (and I know perks--she doesn't mean it that way) if you feel it's intended that way. If you try to learn from feedback instead of lashing out at the person who sent it, you'll improve--and isn't that the point?

 

[Angeline]

T'weren't me but I did accidentally post a buncha Anons by mistake - a moment of dorkism.

yknow i thought that was you...honest!

 

[Guest]

Re: Hmmm...

I never send anonymous feedback. But I did have someone send me a comment saying I was "too subtle." <chuckle>

I guess we were all inspired in different ways by the title.

I tried to convey three meanings of the word in my poem, without actually using the word. <shrug>

I haven't enjoyed reading a group of poems like I enjoyed the "still" poems in ages. They were all so good and conveyed all the nuances of the wonderful title.

I vote Tristesse as "Title-Master" from now on.


Cordelia

uh-oh........................

 

[Maria2394]

dang perks, how many people did you say that to...maybe somebody was irked that cordies excellent poem got the same title advice that mine got..I just didnt know there was such a rigid set of definitions that one needed to follow for the STC

 

[OT]

to anon - a shrug
to Perks - hug
to Tess as Title Queen ...
Hooray

(actually,
a shrug is borderline too much energy to devote to an anonymous comment;
I don't know Perks well enough to hug, and
Tess for Queen -- um... unless she changes that AV, she gets my vote for anything!

(Edited to say that the "Crack AV" went away. sigh ...

 

[Guest]

Tess for Queen -- um... unless she changes that AV, she gets my vote for anything!

Something fishy about that.

 

[*Catbabe*]

I never send anon feedback because I don't like getting it.

Simple case of "do unto others..."

 

[annaswirls]

huh?

hmm wasn't me
I don't even get it to tell you the truth...have been drinkin a bit

I thought you (Perks) got great reviews on the Still thing?

hmm so clueless on the social components of life

I like anon. comments when they are nice. makes me want to look over my shoulder, like someone is with me

sexy, guess I am an exhibitionist who likes the faceless?



but mean ones I can imagine would make you want to watch your back

got you covered Perks from the little I know about you, you seem cool, would love to go get drinks sometime

 

[annaswirls]

TESS WHERE IS SHE

Where is my GIRL???


Wahhh!!!

my heart is broken

 

[Guest]

TESS WHERE IS SHE

Where is my GIRL???


Wahhh!!!

my heart is broken

You don't like my Chinese fish?

 

[annaswirls]

You don't like my Chinese fish?

um
well maybe
if it were being
held by that fine ass
chick you had up there


Anna<--not objectifing women that was a damn fine ass no ifs ands of

but.... I guess Perks has a mighty nice one I could use until the dt's subside

 

[perks]

dang perks, how many people did you say that to...maybe somebody was irked that cordies excellent poem got the same title advice that mine got..I just didnt know there was such a rigid set of definitions that one needed to follow for the STC

I think I wrote it to maybe three, maybe four people, actually I think I wrote it to two <I can't remember>, and thought it about four.

There isn't a rigid set of definitions that one needs to follow. However, when I read something named "blue" I'd like it to be about blue in some frickin way, shape or form. And if I don't see the connection, then I'm missing something. Which is fine. It's also fine that I comment on the fact that I don't see that connection.

I just erased the angry half of my post.

 

[Guest]

yknow i thought that was you...honest!

Gad - am I that recognisable?

 

[Eumenides]

I guess I thought public comments were for talking about a poem and how you feel about it. There aren't any rules, there is just the way the reader connects to them. There are poems that are good, but I just don't get them. Can I not say that? I think what people miss is that Perks believes in constructive criticism, hopes she'll get the same for her poems, and so gives what she wants in return.

Sometimes poetry is too personal to put up for free speech public comments, huh?

 

[Angeline]

Gad - am I that recognisable?

um to obsessive people who try to figure these things out uh yes, you could be....

 

[echoes_s]

Perks, it wasn't me.
I know you don't understand my poetry and it makes me feel sad and lacking in reaching or having capabilities to help you, and I am sure some others, understand what I am saying.
I have written one Anon posting and signed it with an e., then pm'd who it was for, to tell them I wrote it and why.

 

[perks]

echoes, you didn't need to reply to this.

I've replied to you in PM, explaining my critique of your poetry.

I don't expect everyone to understand or like my poetry. I even just had a conversation with a friend of mine who didn't like "just another midtown addict".<which I think to be one of my better poems> That's fine, I explained myself, and he still had the same feeling. I'm ok with that.

Liking things, even poetry, is relative. It doesn't mean I don't like you, or if you don't care for my poetry, you don't like me.

It's like when drake thinks he can edit Auden. It's personal preference, really.

I like your vocabulary, just sometimes I don't get how you're using it. Your poetry always envokes an emotion within me. The underlying problem I have is that I never know why. Either my subconscious understands your poetry better than I do, or I'm just not dissecting it enough. Unfortunately, when I dissect your poetry, that's when I get into the most confusion. Bleh, I've sent an example in PM.

 

[Rybka]

Don't Worry, Be Happy!

Perks, it wasn't me.
I know you don't understand my poetry and it makes me feel sad and lacking in reaching or having capabilities to help you, and I am sure some others, understand what I am saying.
. . .

Quite a few people (including poets that I respect) tell me that they do not understand some of my poetry. - Even when it is perfectly obvious to me what I meant.

Three out of four commentators recently said they didn't understand my STC poem Still, which to me is a completely transparent poem (with a taste of Cummings) about birth, life, and death in a supposedly Christian society (with some word play thrown in because I like to do that).

I used to quote McLeish to the effect that if a poem has to be explained then it should not have been published, but now I have come to think that, "The only time to worry about not understanding a poem is when you wrote it!"

Regards, Rybka

 

[echoes_s]

If I have envoked an emotion in you, then I have touched you...that was my wish, to touch people and to make them think inside themselves. You couldn't have given me a better gift than that.
thank you

echoes, you didn't need to reply to this.

I've replied to you in PM, explaining my critique of your poetry.

I don't expect everyone to understand or like my poetry. I even just had a conversation with a friend of mine who didn't like "just another midtown addict".<which I think to be one of my better poems> That's fine, I explained myself, and he still had the same feeling. I'm ok with that.

Liking things, even poetry, is relative. It doesn't mean I don't like you, or if you don't care for my poetry, you don't like me.

It's like when drake thinks he can edit Auden. It's personal preference, really.

I like your vocabulary, just sometimes I don't get how you're using it. Your poetry always envokes an emotion within me. The underlying problem I have is that I never know why. Either my subconscious understands your poetry better than I do, or I'm just not dissecting it enough. Unfortunately, when I dissect your poetry, that's when I get into the most confusion. Bleh, I've sent an example in PM.

 

[echoes_s]

Re: Don't Worry, Be Happy!

When I was younger, I wrote many poems I did not understand, but years later pulled them out and said omg...I understand it now. Tell me that isn't scary

Quite a few people (including poets that I respect) tell me that they do not understand some of my poetry. - Even when it is perfectly obvious to me what I meant.

Three out of four commentators recently said they didn't understand my STC poem Still, which to me is a completely transparent poem (with a taste of Cummings) about birth, life, and death in a supposedly Christian society (with some word play thrown in because I like to do that).

I used to quote McLeish to the effect that if a poem has to be explained then it should not have been published, but now I have come to think that, "The only time to worry about not understanding a poem is when you wrote it!"

Regards, Rybka

 

[Liar]

Re: Re: Don't Worry, Be Happy!

When I was younger, I wrote many poems I did not understand, but years later pulled them out and said omg...I understand it now. Tell me that isn't scary

It sounds like you have a pen that is older than you. I'm somewhat the same. It took me a couple of years before what I had to say managed to catch up with how I say things.

Sometimes, poems can exist without being understood, in the same way that abstract art can hang on a wall, just because it makes you wonder what the intention of it was, and to marvel over how it can portray nothing at all, and still look so familiar.

People tell me often that my writitng, both fiction and poetry, is cryptic on the verge of impossible to descipher. Yet, some of those people still read it, "because it sounds good". The others just think I'm a goofball and that I suck. What do I know? Only that it's up to the reader, and that you can't ever please everyone.

So write yo own funk the way you wanna sing it, folks. That's it.

#Liar

 

[annaswirls]

Re: Re: Re: Don't Worry, Be Happy!

It sounds like you have a pen that is older than you. I'm somewhat the same. It took me a couple of years before what I had to say managed to catch up with how I say things.



#Liar

Hmmm me I go back and read some of my old poetry and say

Dang, how did I know that back then?

I forgot all about THAT little lifes lesson,

here I am in remedial school.....

Sylvan learning center of life.

"I was so much older then I'm younger then that now"

of course, I didn't know that I shouldn't use the word

So

So Very Important

lol