Time Travel

[tawny_h]

After seeing the latest version of The Time Machine, I began thinking about time travel and about how fascinating it can be. Mix this with a bit of sex and I think it could be a real sci-fi exciter.
Time travel can get a bit complicated, so the sci-fi part would be rather intricate.
The result would be a story line similar to what I understand to be the premise behind "Gor", but the story takes place in the future, not another place. (Those with Gor expertise, please excuse me, I know only a little about the subject). In the future place, there are men, who basically are just full of testosterone and fight all the time, and women, who rarely exist, are not what we would call physicaly attractive and basically just bear ofspring for the continuation of the race.
For various reasons, that can be explained through psychology, sociology and evolutionary theory, few offspring are female. There is, therefore, an overabundance of males and they have highly deveploped sexual organs (of course) and mating is a priveledge, normally reserved for those most successful in battle.
This is the future, of course, but while many aspects of the society are very advanced...thus it is always nice weather, food is abundant, energy is plentiful, etc. but due to a calamitous event at some time in the future, before the time of the story setting, (which really does not need to be explained) weapons are not sophisticated, there are no vehicles as one would expect and flight is a non-occurrence. Much of the planet is not habitable.
Life went on fairly dull and with no real women to satisfy this overcharged male dominant society until.....a time warp opened, allowing some travel back to a time before the great calamity.
Due to some complicated time travel things, you cannot go back anymore, but people can be sent forward in time. Thus, there exists a series of tunnels from our present (AD 2010 say) to somewhere about 2310 and then on again to something like 2635. The 2635 world is the one I just described. In 2310, advanced science makes all sorts of things possible to make the human cargo being sent forward worth quite a pretty price.
What is the cargo? Women, of course. Very sexually attracitive ones who can be used as a great reward for the best warriors.
I have thought up some interesting "rules" for time travel. First, only dead people can be sent forward. Why? Because they found out a while ago that if you send live people ahead, it changes the course of history and a parrallel universe is created, thus, at the 2635 end, you never see the body materialize unles it was dead when it left our present.
The deceased must be VERY fresh, because, if sent forward minutes after death, they can be revived in 2310. Not only can they be revived, but they can be enhanced for a great many sexually exciting abilities.
Why would a girl, after dying and coming awake in 2310 be willing to be altered and sent forward to a time when they would be used sexually, as property? Because there is only one alternative, the death they already have experienced.
Ok, so there you go. Anyone like the idea? The boundaries for plot and setting are "timeless".

 

[Guest]

... Anyone like the idea? The boundaries for plot and setting are "timeless".

Yes, I like it very much. Why don't you write it? Most authors will tell you that your own ideas are always much easier to write than other people's. There's lots of help in the "How to" section on the nust and bolts of writing, and lots of people around who offer all sorts of advice.

 

[tawny_h]

I will write it. But, it would be good to get some thoughts from others about what sort of questions might arise about the story line and the way a future barbaric society might be.

 

[Guest]

... it would be good to get some thoughts from others about what sort of questions might arise about the story line and the way a future barbaric society might be.

I'll have a think about it, based on your outline of your fbs.

 

[Chicklet]

more men than women?

isn't it more realistic to have more females than males? I mean, like, by default aren't females the healthier sex? males are more likely to die, aren't they?

 

[Quasimodem]

If you read these two statements, they seem rather contradictory to me.

In the future place, there are men, who basically are just full of testosterone and fight all the time...

This is the future, of course, but while many aspects of the society are very advanced...thus it is always nice weather, food is abundant, energy is plentiful, etc. but due to a calamitous event at some time in the future, before the time of the story setting, (which really does not need to be explained) weapons are not sophisticated, there are no vehicles as one would expect and flight is a non-occurrence. Much of the planet is not habitable.

If the men are so very aggressive, how can they cooperate to control whatever technology still exists, and take advantage of the "time warp" for the purpose of the story.




I would make the following suggestions:

1). Forget the "overabundance of males".
In the future, due to the after effects of war, catastrophic weather changes, or pandemic disease, (whatever you wish) an increasing percentage of women are infertile. Also, they too are disfigured by an overabundance of male chromosomes. As a result, they are used for last resort sexual release, and mainly as drudges by the dominant males.
(In a low technology society, SOMEBODY has to wash the loincloths.)

2). Separate the society into two sections. Those who have been affected by these gross genetic changes, and those who have remained immune. The immunes have formed a science-based society, and are permitted to live, because of the valuable things they can make, and do. (They could be handled some what like Wizards in a D&D story.) Naturally, they keep the level of weaponry low, to protect themselves from rogues.

This society could be either male and female, or males using cloning to replace themselves.

3). At first, the immunes make use of the "time warp" to get their own females, but under pressure, they use it as a tool to bribe the "dominant males" into permitting their small society to exist unmolested. (This would allow you to handle the dominant male a bit more sympathetically - compared to the "manipulative" immunes. If you wish.)

BTW: The Immunes long range strategy is to get along with the dominant males until that whole strain dies out. Or it shrinks to a size where it is possible to safely destroy.
In order that the "time warped" females do not prolong the ‘dominant" strain, the ‘time warped" females are injected with a birth control serum which will last until an anti-serum reverses the effect.
(In the case where the story calls for a pregnancy of a 'time warped' female, she would have to be one escaped from the immunes society , then captured by one of the "dominant" males.)


4). It may not be technically necessary that the women warped forward be dead. The immunes are merely aware that this is a necessity, to avoid the "Grandfather Effect". An "abduction" could be handled in three phases.
(1). A ‘surveyor' goes back to check for young women who die from violent accidents. (Newspaper obituaries, etc.)
(2). A pick up team goes back to pick up the female, seconds before the accident.
(3). First chore is to clone the woman. When the woman's clone has grown to the proper size, it is taken back to become the "victim" of the accident that the original woman escaped through "time warping".

Note: This would require more control of the "time warp" than simply passing through an occurance of nature. (Example: More like the previously mentioned "The Time Machine" rather than like the Nimitz in "The Final Countdown")



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Gor was the "Counter-Earth"! It travelled in the same orbit as Earth, but always on the other side of the sun. Therefor, it was undiscovered.
Duh!

 

[Guest]

... Ok, so there you go. Anyone like the idea? ...

I have tried to be constructive; please accept this in that spirit. Here are my comments in green. They come in three types, Problems, which I think may cause you difficulties; Queries, which the reader will need to have answered; and Observations, which may or may not be relevant.
After seeing the latest version of The Time Machine, I began thinking about time travel and about how fascinating it can be. Mix this with a bit of sex and I think it could be a real sci-fi exciter.
Time travel can get a bit complicated, so the sci-fi part would be rather intricate.
The result would be a story line similar to what I understand to be the premise behind "Gor," but the story takes place in the future, not another place. (Those with Gor expertise, please excuse me, I know only a little about the subject). In the future place, there are men, who basically are just full of testosterone and fight all the time, and women, who rarely exist, are not what we would call physicaly attractive and basically just bear ofspring for the continuation of the race. PROBLEM: Are there enough women to be a viable species?
For various reasons, that can be explained through psychology, sociology and evolutionary theory, few offspring are female. There is, therefore, an overabundance of males and they have highly deveploped sexual organs (of course) and mating is a privilege, normally reserved for those most successful in battle.
This is the future, of course, but while many aspects of the society are very advanced ... thus it is always nice weather, food is abundant, energy is plentiful, etc. QUERY: In Utopia why fight? QUERY: What is the energy used for?, but due to a calamitous event at some time in the future, before the time of the story setting, (which really does not need to be explained QUERY: run out of metals?) weapons are not sophisticated, there are no vehicles as one would expect and flight is a non-occurrence. QUERY: Why not? Within the story what does travel ruin? Much of the planet is not habitable.
Life went on fairly dull and with no real women to satisfy this overcharged male dominant society until ... a time warp opened, allowing some travel back to a time before the great calamity.
Due to some complicated time travel things, you cannot go back any more, but people can be sent forward in time. Thus, there exists a series of tunnels from our present (AD 2010 say) to somewhere about 2310 and then on again to something like 2635. The 2635 world is the one I just described. In 2310, advanced science makes all sorts of things possible to make the human cargo being sent forward worth quite a pretty price. QUERY: Why the link from 2010 to 2310?
What is the cargo? Women, of course. Very sexually attracitive ones who can be used as a great reward for the best warriors.
I have thought up some interesting "rules" for time travel. First, only dead people can be sent forward. Why? Because they found out a while ago that if you send live people ahead, it changes the course of history and a parallel universe is created, thus, at the 2635 end, you never see the body materialize unless it was dead when it left our present. PROBLEM: Live or dead makes no difference, you have still changed the world. If you send a copy, however, the only problem is that you create matter at the other end.
The deceased must be VERY fresh, because, if sent forward minutes after death, they can be revived in 2310. Not only can they be revived, but they can be enhanced for a great many sexually exciting abilities. QUERY: So they are killed deliberately to travel?
Why would a girl, after dying and coming awake in 2310 be willing to be altered and sent forward to a time when they would be used sexually, as property? Because there is only one alternative, the death they already have experienced. QUERY: I still don't see the reason for the intermediate stop?
Ok, so there you go. Anyone like the idea? The boundaries for plot and setting are "timeless."


Quasimodem also had some ideas, on which I venture to comment:
I would make the following suggestions:
1). Forget the "overabundance of males".
In the future, due to the after effects of war, catastrophic weather changes, or pandemic disease, (whatever you wish) an increasing percentage of women are infertile. Also, they too are disfigured by an overabundance of male chromosomes. As a result, they are used for last resort sexual release, and mainly as drudges by the dominant males. OBSERVATION: Amounts to the same thing as an overabundance of males.
(In a low technology society, SOMEBODY has to wash the loincloths.)
2). Separate the society into two sections. Those who have been affected by these gross genetic changes, and those who have remained immune. The immunes have formed a science-based society, and are permitted to live, because of the valuable things they can make, and do. (They could be handled some what like Wizards in a D&D story.) Naturally, they keep the level of weaponry low, to protect themselves from rogues.
This society could be either male and female, or males using cloning to replace themselves. OBSERVATION: This starts to change the story out of the original concept into quite a different one.
3). At first, the immunes make use of the "time warp" to get their own females, but under pressure, they use it as a tool to bribe the "dominant males" into permitting their small society to exist unmolested. (This would allow you to handle the dominant male a bit more sympathetically - compared to the "manipulative" immunes. If you wish.)
BTW: The Immunes' long range strategy is to get along with the dominant males until that whole strain dies out. Or it shrinks to a size where it is possible to safely destroy.
In order that the "time warped" females do not prolong the 'dominant" strain, the 'time warped" females are injected with a birth control serum which will last until an anti-serum reverses the effect.
(In the case where the story calls for a pregnancy of a "time warped" female, she would have to be one escaped from the immunes society , then captured by one of the "dominant" males.) OBSERVATION: So now we have Eloi versus Morlocks.
4). It may not be technically necessary that the women warped forward be dead. The immunes are merely aware that this is a necessity, to avoid the "Grandfather Effect". An "abduction" could be handled in three phases.
(a). A 'surveyor' goes back to check for young women who die from violent accidents. (Newspaper obituaries, etc.)
(b). A pick up team goes back to pick up the female, seconds before the accident.
(c). First chore is to clone the woman. When the woman's clone has grown to the proper size, it is taken back to become the "victim" of the accident that the original woman escaped through "time warping". QUERY: Needless complication of the science in an erotic story? Just bring forward enough cells to do the cloning and forget going back. Alternatively, just clone the females you have. In mainstream hard SF the science has to be plausible; here (as I understand it) we are only providing decor for an erotic theme.
Note: This would require more control of the "time warp" than simply passing through an occupance of nature. (Example: More like the previously mentioned "The Time Machine" rather than like the Nimitz in "The Final Countdown")

 

[tawny_h]

Thanks to Quasimodem and Charm_Brights for some reallt teriffic ideas. I'll take them all into my head for use and consideration.

I still prefer the flow of fresh female cargo from a past time and into the future, instead of cloning. This is because cloning is a very sophisticated process and I want to eliminate really sophisticated processes from the furure world.

I think I get the idea for a future society dependent on advanced technology in a past time from stories such as Total Recall. In that piece, the atmosphere (teraforming) was all worked out by a Martian society of the distant past and the present society relied on it for their atmosphere. Similarly, in my future, food supply, power for lighting and other common applications, and atmospheric control has all been provided by some technology that has been long lost.

I do like Quasimodem's idea of a split society, with the warrior class and the science nerds, if you will, that are both manipulated and manipulative. This could be used to explain who is operating the time warp and why.

There is an intermediate stop between the past (our present) and the distant future so that the girls can take advantage of medical advances not present in the 21st century (or not yet perfected), but lost in the more distant future. If these techniques were present in the future-future, than cloning and other advances would also logically be present and obviate the need for a time warp supply of women and thus make them plentiful and less valuable. Remember, like any precious item, the more rare, the more valuable, and I want whole nations of men to be willing to risk life to posess these female sexual dynamos that are so rare.

The intermediate stop also allows the alteration of the females so they can handle the "super sexual" experiences they will encounter in the future. I wanted to eliminate procreation in a nice, clean way; make all the women very sexually attractive and insert a mechanism that gives sex a purpose, since procreation has been eliminated. That purpose will have nothing to do with making babies and everything to do with pleasure. So the ambiguity of the purpose of sex will be removed. Sex will be for the sake of sex and nothing else. So, the act can be made to consist of nothing but the most pleasurable aspects of sexual intercourse and, sexual play, that we can presently imagine. The passing of fluids between male and female will have no purpose other than enhancing the sexual act even further and, in fact, this passing of fluids between the sexes will be necessary for a happy and productive life for both the male and female. After all, this is fantasy.
Another purpose of the imtermediate stop would be to orient the "victim" to her situation, let the story-teller tell her as well as the reader what is happening and why. A chance to explain the science of the storyline.

Thanks again for the great thoughts and ideas. I'll have to start writing right away.!

 

[Guest]

-... and insert a mechanism that gives sex a purpose, since procreation has been eliminated. That purpose will have nothing to do with making babies and everything to do with pleasure. So the ambiguity of the purpose of sex will be removed. Sex will be for the sake of sex and nothing else. So, the act can be made to consist of nothing but the most pleasurable aspects of sexual intercourse and, sexual play, that we can presently imagine. The passing of fluids between male and female will have no purpose other than enhancing the sexual act even further and, in fact, this passing of fluids between the sexes will be necessary for a happy and productive life for both the male and female ...

I seem to remember an SF short story where cannibalism was justified by some dietary deficiency and non-cannibals died. Maybe the women literally cannot remain alive without ingesting a certain quota of semen every day, to make up for some deficiency in the mid-point process? Or to give them protection against some far-future virus?

You know, just like blokes when I was young (in the middle of last century) told girls that if they swallowed it would cure their zits!