This time, ami has a point....

[amicus]

You and your compatriot, Anthony (weener) Weiner, have similar concepts of what is appropriate and what is not. Where do you send your Pecker photo's, eh?



ami

 

[Pure]

ami//Visit Canada, a near-by third world nation on the verge of total collapse.


i believe our banks in Canada, as well as our homeowners general solvency (few 'underwater mortgages,' for example) are in better shape than yours!

A majority of knowledgeable people in the US think exactly as I do, yet you attempt to leave the impression that those who advocate a limited, constitutional government are not only in the minority, but less than capable of expressing themselves

i don't think so, ami. the majority support medicare. US persons are schizophrenic, if you say "small limited govenrment" they say yes, but if you say "eliminate medicare?" they say "certainly not. that's not 'government.'"

as to your statements that Europe social democracies are collapsing, and that Canada is, you have presented no evidence. further some of these, e.g. Germany, are apparently healthier, in fiscal terms than is the US. US banks stills have billions in bad debts on the books.

 

[amicus]

ami//Visit Canada, a near-by third world nation on the verge of total collapse.


i believe our banks in Canada, as well as our homeowners general solvency (few 'underwater mortgages,' for example) are in better shape than yours!

A majority of knowledgeable people in the US think exactly as I do, yet you attempt to leave the impression that those who advocate a limited, constitutional government are not only in the minority, but less than capable of expressing themselves

i don't think so, ami. the majority support medicare. US persons are schizophrenic, if you say "small limited govenrment" they say yes, but if you say "eliminate medicare?" they say "certainly not. that's not 'government.'"

as to your statements that Europe social democracies are collapsing, and that Canada is, you have presented no evidence. further some of these, e.g. Germany, are apparently healthier, in fiscal terms than is the US. US banks stills have billions in bad debts on the books.

~~~

Pure...no one down here cares much about Canada but the entire Canadian economy depends on the US market and you know it.

Of course most Americans want Social Security and Medicare; they have been forced to pay into both for most of their lives. They did not, however, expect to be robbed of the money they paid in and treated like welfare recipients when it came time to collect.

You know global economics as well as I do and the domino's that begin to fall, beginning with Greece, begging for a second bailout and public employees rioting in the streets will set the tone for the Euro collapse and the tidal wave will inundate the entire global financial market once again.

There will most likely be an European Spring or perhaps winter of discontent, that will mirror the so called Arab Spring of anarchy before the fact of a middle east Califate finally sets in.

The inevitable corruption of top down, big government, is well underway and you don't have a clue.

If you watch or listen to any news at all, you should be amazed to hear the issues I have been discussing for years on this puny forum now being discussed across the board, lame stream media, even the BBC America channel is taking note and speaking of the failure of John Maynard Keynes philosophy and the utter corruption of governments at all levels and in all places.

They said it wouildn't happen again, the civil disorder in Vancouver, BC, as it did in 1994 when a sports team lost...but it didl third world Canada has lost whatever national prestige it may have had and devolved into an Euro Soccer match mentality.

I know, I made this reference before...maybe even in this Thread, but it is well worth repeating....

ami

 

[Pure]

well, you made one true statement:

The inevitable corruption of top down, big government, is well underway

this is certainly true, esp. in the US. what you fail to note, ami, is that it's been a bi partisan effort, with both Reagan and Bush II adding greatly to the size of the gov't.

the majority of the US senate is millionaires. Boehner in the House is worth a couple million, and Pelosi, far more.

in short, structural changes, as envisioned by a few Randists and libertarians, do not seem imminent. the cosy relationship of the US Treasury department and major Banks is rather well known.

 

[Stella_Omega]

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I just thought it appropriate...once again.

As do I.

 

[amicus]

well, you made one true statement:

The inevitable corruption of top down, big government, is well underway

this is certainly true, esp. in the US. what you fail to note, ami, is that it's been a bi partisan effort, with both Reagan and Bush II adding greatly to the size of the gov't.

the majority of the US senate is millionaires. Boehner in the House is worth a couple million, and Pelosi, far more.

in short, structural changes, as envisioned by a few Randists and libertarians, do not seem imminent. the cosy relationship of the US Treasury department and major Banks is rather well known.

~~~

It may or may not come as a surprise to you, Pure, but I have never joined a political party and never voted. Should I participate, the closest Party would be Libertarian, but they advocate killing babies, so yes, government enlargement and intrusion is a bi-partisan affair, Reagan included.

Since the very first Congress there have been very few poor people elected, most are wealthy and well educated and usually well placed in the social pecking order.

I wrote and published a book in 1984, which I am about to republish, that made the explicit point that structural changes via the normative political process were unlikely to take place. I recommended a Constitutional Convention or failing that, a revolution. "A Call to Convention, A Call to Arms" was the title. I was surprised to find that a signed copy of that book is for sale through Amazon, or maybe Ebay.

Listening to the Republican candidates at the ongoing Conference in New Orleans, I am pleased to hear that some of my recommendations are finally being discussed: returning the the Gold Standard, abolishing the Federal Reserve and most of the Federal Agencies that usurp State's Rights.

Even Public Education is under fire with several suggestions that the entire system be scrapped and Charter Schools be offered to all. They still want tax supported schools, which I am opposed to, but it is a movement in the right direction.

amicus

 

[Dragonlipz]

I heard on the news yesterday a fact that I have not attempted to confirm; that the average person pays $55,000 in withholding taxes just for Medicare alone. It was a Democrat that added, the cost of providing care was about $167,000 for Seniors, when they finally became eligible for the benefits.

I mean, think about it for a moment...you are forced to pay into medicare from the moment you begin earning, you know, like about age 16 at Mickey D's? But from age 16 to age 65, you can't draw a penny of benefits?

If government did not force you to contribute to Medicare, you could invest that weekly withholding into a real medical insurance plan, or better yet, into an investment portfolio that would allow you to acrue compound interest and after fifty years...have a couple million dollars to pay for your old age infirmities...which we all, sooner or later, incur.

Your fucking government if ripping you off, every paycheck you get and for what?

Get back to me on that.

Amicus Veritas

Ok - I'm back to ya on 'that'......OUR FUCKING GOVERNMENT won't let us have those benefits WE or rather I pay into because 'so called conservative' tards like you blocked efforts to extend universal benefits to everyone.....
It's ok with me because I make a bunch'a green and don't mind paying my 'fair share' because I've spent significant time in other countries and appreciate what we have here....
The United States of America is the most compelling and amazing social experiment ever attempted....despite the efforts of assholes like AmiCrust and his cronies to pervert it....
fuckin' child molester that he is..............

 

[Handley_Page]

It strikes me that it is not the principle of "Social medicine" (or whatever), but the fact that the government of the day screws it all up; right royally.
And it's not limited to a few nations.

 

[amicus]

It strikes me that it is not the principle of "Social medicine" (or whatever), but the fact that the government of the day screws it all up; right royally.
And it's not limited to a few nations.

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Handley, I regret to inform you that it is indeed the principle of socialized medicine the ensures its failure. Think for just a moment about an individual doctor or nurse who has invested at least a decade in a medical education and the internship required before one is qualified and certified to practice medicine and then another decade repaying the loans for that education and establishing a private practice or learning the rote of an established clinical practice or a hospital conglomerate, nothing in life is free.

People of lower intelligence, those willing to sacrifice freedom for security, Union people, will offer their services in exchange for the guarantee of sinecure or tenure or union protection, and one can understand that. People of higher intelligence are fully aware of the trade-off of freedom for security and they usually refuse to obey; much like the Brain-drain in your country, a half century ago when socialism was imposed, your smart people, scientists and doctors, fled the UK for the freedom and the opportunity of America.

That is fact, not fiction, but indeed, do the research on your own.

Your last concept is obscene: that socialism is a wonderful system but people are not pure enough to sacrifice their individual dreams and goals. What utter fucking bullshit that is.

I have a great deal of admiration for the British Empire before World War Two, the Empire, upon which the sun never set, brought civilization to a pagan and barbarian world and is perhaps the largest factor in advancing the general literacy of a large part of the world.

Your generation has turned away from the values that once made the British Empire the diamond of the world and has embraced the soiled fabric of communal existence.

A sad chapter or perhaps ending, to a once great nation..

Amicus Veritas

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Every form of government there is, is based on the principle that all wealth and power accrues to the elites. Peasants are, at best resources to exploit, or prey.

 

[stephen55]

It strikes me that it is not the principle of "Social medicine" (or whatever), but the fact that the government of the day screws it all up; right royally.
And it's not limited to a few nations.

Handley_Page

~~~

Handley, I regret to inform you that it is indeed the principle of socialized medicine the ensures its failure. Think for just a moment about an individual doctor or nurse who has invested at least a decade in a medical education and the internship required before one is qualified and certified to practice medicine and then another decade repaying the loans for that education and establishing a private practice or learning the rote of an established clinical practice or a hospital conglomerate, nothing in life is free.

People of lower intelligence, those willing to sacrifice freedom for security, Union people, will offer their services in exchange for the guarantee of sinecure or tenure or union protection, and one can understand that. People of higher intelligence are fully aware of the trade-off of freedom for security and they usually refuse to obey; much like the Brain-drain in your country, a half century ago when socialism was imposed, your smart people, scientists and doctors, fled the UK for the freedom and the opportunity of America.

That is fact, not fiction, but indeed, do the research on your own.

Your last concept is obscene: that socialism is a wonderful system but people are not pure enough to sacrifice their individual dreams and goals. What utter fucking bullshit that is.

I have a great deal of admiration for the British Empire before World War Two, the Empire, upon which the sun never set, brought civilization to a pagan and barbarian world and is perhaps the largest factor in advancing the general literacy of a large part of the world.

Your generation has turned away from the values that once made the British Empire the diamond of the world and has embraced the soiled fabric of communal existence.

A sad chapter or perhaps ending, to a once great nation..

Amicus Veritas

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This is a quick and easy way to comment on just about any reply Ami cares to post...

 

[amicus]

well, you made one true statement:

The inevitable corruption of top down, big government, is well underway

this is certainly true, esp. in the US. what you fail to note, ami, is that it's been a bi partisan effort, with both Reagan and Bush II adding greatly to the size of the gov't.

the majority of the US senate is millionaires. Boehner in the House is worth a couple million, and Pelosi, far more.

in short, structural changes, as envisioned by a few Randists and libertarians, do not seem imminent. the cosy relationship of the US Treasury department and major Banks is rather well known.

~~~

Pure. your faith is without question:

<< Matthew 19:24 >>


New International Version (©1984)

Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

The envy, hatred and jealousy of the lazy and the poor, for the productive and the wealthy, is an age old prejudice in which you wallow without shame.

In the obscene, top down world of the barbarians, Kings, Popes and Aristocrats in general, it was understandable for the have nots to fear the haves who ruled by force, conquest and confiscation of wealth from those who produced it.

But in America, a meritocracy, where a Thomas Edison, just to name one of millions, who rose from poverty to wealth in a free society, reflect the efficacy of a free market, the industrial revolution that created a middle class, and the rule of law which protected private property and ownership, the lie was put to you, an avowed Socialist, and all other collectivists who hate the efficient and the productive and can only dream of schemes on how to steal from them.

It is a poor, poor, collective mentality you advocate.

Shame on you.

Amicus Veritas

 

[amicus]

Every form of government there is, is based on the principle that all wealth and power accrues to the elites. Peasants are, at best resources to exploit, or prey.

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James, damnit, as much as I respect much of what you say, that is utter and unredeemable bullshit to the nth degree.

One can easily make a case the the Magna Charta was the first step towards empowering your so called, 'Peasants', who, after all, are people, just like everyone else.

The British Empire was perhaps the first to begin to comprehend the primacy of the individual, every individual, as the Master of his own Fate. But it took the accumulated knowledge and thinking of many to codify the concepts concerning the universality of human rights and freedoms.

America is by no means perfect, nor has it always acted with honor and integrity as concerns the individual, but it is the best of the best and this watershed of King Obama's collectivism will rot where it stands and those concepts that make this nation the greatest in the world will once again emerge and your 'Peasants', will have their rights and freedoms protected just like every other citizen, rich or poor.

Only in America.

Amicus Veritas