This New Non-Lethal Gun Could Be More Effective Than Police Tasers

[FGB]

This New Non-Lethal Gun Could Be More Effective Than Police Tasers.
It stops the target without harming them.

By David Hambling...Eesquire...From: Popular Mechanics


A new compact, lightweight weapon will stop a target in their tracks from a hundred meters away without harming them. Nicknamed the Pogojet, it's a radical less-than-lethal design from Jeffrey Widder, senior research scientist at Battelle Memorial Institute in Ohio.

The Pogojet—whose official name is the Caseless Telescoping Less-lethal System—is unique in that the propellant burns inside the round, pushing on a piston that propels it forward. The action resembles a pogo stick, hence the name. Once the piston reaches its full extent, the exhaust gases can be vented sideways, so the round continues forward at the same speed, or directed through holes in the base of the round like rocket exhaust to give as much extra kick as required. This is the 'jet' aspect of the Pogojet, which Widder compares to the old 1960s Gyrojet rocket pistol.

more... http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a41076/pogojet-non-lethal-gun/

 

[Sean Renaud]

Interesting. Not sure I want cops with a new "not lethal" but totally lethal. As for civilians I guess it depends on what it looks like once they start producing them.

 

[FGB]

Interesting. Not sure I want cops with a new "not lethal" but totally lethal. As for civilians I guess it depends on what it looks like once they start producing them.

It must be a really tough call deciding to shoot or not shoot (assuming the individual hasn't crossed the metal line shoot first and if I'm wrong ..oh, well life sucks.) Time after time, day after day, year after year.

Knowing that the suspect probably won't be killed MIGHT develop itchy trigger fingers. Then there is OOPS! I accidentally shoot them in a fatal place. Damn! he should not have tried to duck.

I'm sure there is more... This might be better but I would like to see something else...but damned if I know what.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It must be a really tough call deciding to shoot or not shoot (assuming the individual hasn't crossed the metal line shoot first and if I'm wrong ..oh, well life sucks.) Time after time, day after day, year after year.

Knowing that the suspect probably won't be killed MIGHT develop itchy trigger fingers. Then there is OOPS! I accidentally shoot them in a fatal place. Damn! he should not have tried to duck.

I'm sure there is more... This might be better but I would like to see something else...but damned if I know what.

I don't how tough a call it really is. They know they won't be held responsible unless they REALLY goofed.

But exactly giving them a "non fatal" weapon sounds encouraging, and fuck the occasional fatality. I'm a realist and shit is going to happen. Assuming you don't just keep going at it a night stick is non-fatal but that combination of non fatal and ranged to me screams the sort of thing people do just cus it's on the tool belt cus honestly why not?

Honestly cops overall have a safer job than we give them credit for and I'd rather increase the personell so they simply feel less threatened and ideally there are more people checking so the bad cops get less alone time.

 

[FGB]

I don't how tough a call it really is. They know they won't be held responsible unless they REALLY goofed.

But exactly giving them a "non fatal" weapon sounds encouraging, and fuck the occasional fatality. I'm a realist and shit is going to happen. Assuming you don't just keep going at it a night stick is non-fatal but that combination of non fatal and ranged to me screams the sort of thing people do just cus it's on the tool belt cus honestly why not?

Honestly cops overall have a safer job than we give them credit for and I'd rather increase the personell so they simply feel less threatened and ideally there are more people checking so the bad cops get less alone time.

I truly hope you are right and I agree with you on most of it.

I was remembering once when I was trying to kill this guy. And by that I mean I had his head in the cross hairs, hammer cocked, slack taken out of the trigger waiting for him to clear some houses because I knew the .41 magnum bullet was going to go through all the glass in his truck as well as his head and a few hundred yards beyond.

Strange as it may seem I head a clear sense of what was happening in real time the position of his head, his truck, the houses built side by side behind him and at what point I could not justify shooting the bastard fleeing a crime where deadly force was used.

I could have killed him a half a dozen times but I would have endangered an unknown amount of people. I instead, followed him and managed to put the law on him.
But I have to tell you, if he had laid on finger on that rifle in the window rack or made any suspicious that might have harmed me or anyone else I would have killed him in a heartbeat.

And I'm not a mean person. I'm normally calm cool and collected and I believe in Law and Order.

Sometimes things don't go as smooth and easy and as cut and dried as they do on TV.

 

[FGB]

I think my point is that most people are quicker on the shoot.

 

[Sean Renaud]

And I agree, and I think they are even quicker with the following factors. How much personal risk is it to them. People will rarely willingly enter a fight they don't think they can win and are generally hesitant to enter a fair fight if options are open. The second is the amount of potential collateral damage in your case unseen people but in the case being discussed we (Especially with cops) tend to think if everybody walked away it's all good. I'm not pretending I'm entirely above it either.

 

[FGB]

Hopefully technology will develop to fix this problem faster than it has.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I don't how tough a call it really is. They know they won't be held responsible unless they REALLY goofed.

But exactly giving them a "non fatal" weapon sounds encouraging, and fuck the occasional fatality. I'm a realist and shit is going to happen. Assuming you don't just keep going at it a night stick is non-fatal but that combination of non fatal and ranged to me screams the sort of thing people do just cus it's on the tool belt cus honestly why not?

Honestly cops overall have a safer job than we give them credit for and I'd rather increase the personell so they simply feel less threatened and ideally there are more people checking so the bad cops get less alone time.

Yea but that doesn't get funding because PD's don't donate to campaigns like "less leathal" weapons manufacturers do. Their contributions are only enough for lip service...not funding.

And I've seen clubs straight kill people before....clock someone upside the head with an asp baton and watch them drop like a sack of spuds as a chunk of their skull goes flying. But then again I've seen a guy take 3x 5.56 rounds in the head and practically walk it off. So...humans, freakishly resilient at times and amazingly fragile others.

I was remembering once when I was trying to kill this guy. And by that I mean I had his head in the cross hairs, hammer cocked, slack taken out of the trigger waiting for him to clear some houses because I knew the .41 magnum bullet was going to go through all the glass in his truck as well as his head and a few hundred yards beyond.

I've never worked or shot .41 mag but without a very large powder charge and a 20"+ barrel behind it I doubt it would have worked as well as you think it would. Glass fucks shots up more than people think, you would have likely missed the 1st shot and if there was S glass fucking things up you would prob have to squeeze a few more on it to get the desired effect. .50 API is about the only rifle round I've ever seen go in and straight blow through a car. Pistol? LOL if you're less than 5m and ready to dump mags sure but not at any range.


Anyhow point being if you ever have to peel caps through glass, esp on a moving target with anything short of .50 API or a 40mm HEDP round in the cab be ready to keep squeezing more than you ever thought you might have to to get up in a car and effectively handle bidnizz.

Just sayin'.....

 

[Sean Renaud]

Like you said a person can die a lot of ways and some of them almost arbitrary. Still I'd rather take a hit from a bat than get shot. But yeah funding is a problem.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Like you said a person can die a lot of ways and some of them almost arbitrary. Still I'd rather take a hit from a bat than get shot. But yeah funding is a problem.

Overall yea...just because survivability.

But pain wise? IDK man depends on the shot...I've had some legit 10's in the pain department in my day. Meat shots aren't bad, the gut shot was damn close, that was pretty gnarly pain, also a maximum pain factor, but I still think shattered bones take the cake simply because the soft tissue in the gut heals up way faster than the bones/ligaments/tendons. I'd take an AK round in the ass any day and even one in the gut over a shattered leg/arm/rib cage.

Yea you might survive the bat over the gun in the head/chest area but you're going to wish you hadn't and be begging for the bullet the second you're not totally trashed on pain killers. Be in that bed mashing the nurse button like you're playing Jeopardy or some shit throwing a fit for more LOL

 

[Sean Renaud]

Never been shot, got stabbed in the arm once. Won't lie, don't give me a paper cut. Straight cut me. I got hit with bike before and went into shock. But for the moment we're talking about not dying, not wishing you had.