This Just In: More Than 15,000 Americans Confirmed Dead!!

[Lancecastor]

Bob Herbert
The New York Times

" The total number of people killed in the terrorist attacks of Sept.11, 2001- approximately 3,000 - is dwarfed by the annual toll of homicides in the US.

The FBI's annual Uniform Crime Report was released Monday. It showed that for 2001, the number of people murdered in the United States - exclusive of the Sept 11 attacks - was a staggering 15,980.

There were no screaming headlines to accompany this disclosure because more than 15,000 people are murdered every year, most of them by firearms."

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Do murders need to be performed in bulk in order to get enough of your attention as an American to warrant your wanting to speak out about your right to bear arms?

Does it take 3,000 in an hour?

A dozen by a sniper over a few weeks?

A half dozen at a school in a standoff?

A few at a liquor store in a drive-by?

Where's the cutoff point for you?

What does it now take for you to be outraged... or afraid?

Signed;

A Curious Canadian.

 

[Guest]

 

[SINthysist]

I bet you have similar stats but ours are a tad inflated by the war on drugs and an open southern border.

A lot of it's domestic murder, too.

And rappers...

 

[mbb308]

Much of US society is pretty well fucked.

There's the problem. What's a solution????

 

[Rubyfruit]

I can't stand violence to the point of having difficulty watching the news.

Is the murder rate substantially lower in Canada, Lance?

 

[Bob_Bytchin]

15,000? Damn, that would be what? 1/2 the population of Canada?

 

[sufisaint]

And 45,000 people a year on average die from automobile accidents, half involving drugs and alcohol, 50,000 die from medical malpractice....were are all human and mortal...there is no shock here...

 

[SINthysist]

America isn't fucked. It's a few areas, most of 'em Democrat-controlled that contain the violence. We have a murder here like once or twice a life-time...

 

[SINthysist]

Not to mention how many die from shear-fawking old age...

 

[Mad_Jack_Rabbit]

He obviously didn't think this out before posting.


Another embarrassing display

Pity you didn't explain why, Hanns. It isn't enough to say 'You are wrong' you should also say why. If you don't then people won't understand where they've gone wrong. Nor will they have a chance to correct you.

 

[mbb308]

America isn't fucked. It's a few areas, most of 'em Democrat-controlled that contain the violence. We have a murder here like once or twice a life-time...

Agreed.

But what's the solution????

 

[SINthysist]

Tell people something they haven't hear in 40 years or more.

You're responsible for your condition. When you blame society, you place yourself outside of society. If you are outside of society, you deserve nothing from society.

 

[Mad_Jack_Rabbit]

Bob Herbert
The New York Times

" The total number of people killed in the terrorist attacks of Sept.11, 2001- approximately 3,000 - is dwarfed by the annual toll of homicides in the US.

The FBI's annual Uniform Crime Report was released Monday. It showed that for 2001, the number of people murdered in the United States - exclusive of the Sept 11 attacks - was a staggering 15,980.

There were no screaming headlines to accompany this disclosure because more than 15,000 people are murdered every year, most of them by firearms."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Do murders need to be performed in bulk in order to get enough of your attention as an American to warrant your wanting to speak out about your right to bear arms?

Does it take 3,000 in an hour?

A dozen by a sniper over a few weeks?

A half dozen at a school in a standoff?

A few at a liquor store in a drive-by?

Where's the cutoff point for you?

What does it now take for you to be outraged... or afraid?

Signed;

A Curious Canadian.

You forget that they're only Americans. Plenty more where they came from.

(What was Bush's comment on the murder of Canadian Soldiers by American Forces in Afghanistan?)

 

[Lancecastor]

I don't propose to look up the rates and start batting stats around, Ruby, but I can assure you that the murder rate per capita is lower in Canada than the US.

I'm more interested in how numb Americans are to domestic violence...the school shootings, liquor stores, robberies, rapper drive bys....etc.

Sufi suggests that more die from cancer and cars...that shows how numb he is to murder...it's like a car accident or catching a virus to him...an unavoidable risk.

By comparison to regular murder,I suggest terrorist attacks are taking a smaller body count, but a higher psychological toll in the USA. How long before you will be used to car bombs the way they are in Israel & Palestine and the way they've been used to them in Northern Ireland, do you think? One, three, five years?

Someone asked about a solution to the raw numbers of murders....the answer is more gun control. You can talk about your Constitution and the NRA all day if you want...you have too many guns and too many unregistered guns floating around. You're awash in firearms down there. That's the problem and the answer. JMHO.

Lance

I can't stand violence to the point of having difficulty watching the news.

Is the murder rate substantially lower in Canada, Lance?

 

[SINthysist]

Is Lancecastor like Spearchucker?

If you had higher population densities your rates would also rise, people being people and our cultures not all that dissimilar.

Once we legalize pot, ours will go down a bit, too!

 

[ma_guy]

2,000 of them were committed with knives yet we have ZERO knife-control. ANYONE can walk into WalMart and buy a box of steak knives.

 

[Mad_Jack_Rabbit]

Is Lancecastor like Spearchucker?

If you had higher population densities your rates would also rise, people being people and our cultures not all that dissimilar.

Once we legalize pot, ours will go down a bit, too!

Have to make pot compulsory for that to work

 

[SINthysist]

Or just slip it into the food and not tell anyone...

 

[sufisaint]

Why do all you Canadians worry about gun control in America? You don't live here and if you did you would see most of these murders are not committed by those who legally own weapons? We have a serious problem in our major cities...its a cultral, economic and drug problem...not a gun problem. The only way to change the murder rate is too change the people who murder...and that is an individaul responsibility.

 

[SINthysist]

So this is yet another lame-ass Guns are bad thread. I slowly but finally get the jist of it.

Let me repeat myself Lancecastor, we have VERY few murders where I live and we are armed to the teeth.

The crimes you claim we have become desensitized to are occuring in higher gun-control areas. You watch the same media we do. What forces you to believe you all, as a nation, are any less sensitized?

I don't think gun-control can follow from the argument you are trying to make.

 

[Lancecastor]

I'm more interested in seeing how Americans compare their own reactions to regular domestic garden variety Murder ....."Yeah, 15,000 a year, so what?"

.....to their own reactions to 9/11 and the "New, Improved!" style of murder that has come to town in terrorist attacks.

The reports all say there will be another large scale terrorist attack.

The numbers might be small again compared to your regular daily liquor store body count.

Do you care either way?

Do you find it interesting how one style of death bores you while another can make you watch CNN all day?

We don't react and behave that way in Canada, even in our most densely populated centers.

 

[mbb308]

Someone asked about a solution to the raw numbers of murders....the answer is more gun control. You can talk about your Constitution and the NRA all day if you want...you have too many guns and too many unregistered guns floating around. You're awash in firearms down there. That's the problem and the answer. JMHO.

Lance

That is NOT a solution.

The most murders occur in areas with the most gun control. That's a fact - check NYC.

The least murders occur in areas with less gun control.

Disarming the victims is NOT a solution.

 

[Byron In Exile]

The FBI's annual Uniform Crime Report was released Monday. It showed that for 2001, the number of people murdered in the United States - exclusive of the Sept 11 attacks - was a staggering 15,980.

That's down by about 900 from the 1999 figure. If the trend continues at this rate, in 17 years homicides will reach zero.

Of course, a bigger problem is the suicide rate in the US, which is about double the homicide rate.

Even worse is the suicide rate in Japan, which is double the suicide rate in the US.

We don't need more police or more prisons, we need pep talks.

 

[SINthysist]

Did you watch CNN with the same intensity as the victims of those murders?

I think you are mixing arguments for the sake of an emotional appeal for gun-control.

I've gotten pretty desensitized to Palestinian Suicide bombers and have stopped posting threads everytime a new one happens.

Doesn't mean it STILL doesn't piss me off to no end...

 

[mbb308]

I'm more interested in seeing how Americans compare their own reactions to regular domestic garden variety Murder ....."Yeah, 15,000 a year, so what?"

.....to their own reactions to 9/11 and the "New, Improved!" style of murder that has come to town in terrorist attacks.

The reports all say there will be another large scale terrorist attack.

The numbers might be small again compared to your regular daily liquor store body count.

Do you care either way?

Do you find it interesting how one style of death bores you while another can make you watch CNN all day?

We don't react and behave that way in Canada, even in our most densely populated centers.

Your perception is flawed.

Murder is disgusting, by the ones or by the hundreds, or anything in between.

Shall we ban airliners because they may be hijacked and slammed into buildings? Shall we ban claw hammers because a psycho will use one to off his family (actual case from 2000)?

Banning hardware doesn't work.

What does????