This is what happens when men tell the truth!

[Frimost]

This is a real life illustration for wethorny_angel
and all the other women here to prove my point on why men lie to jump in the sack with women, because here is what happens when men tell the truth!

WATCH ME GET BURNED AND GO DOWN IN FLAMES FOR BEING HONEST! Anyone have any aspirin, gauze, burn crème? Anything?! Perhaps a fire extinguisher! Lol Boy did I get burned for this! You may not like me, you may not like the way I break it to her, you may not even like reality, but WOW! Watch what happens when a man tells a pretty young woman WHAT HE REALLY THINKS!

Enjoy and Bon Appetite!

Here is the RL person on the other end of the discussion, a hot little bi sex kitten. http://profiles.yahoo.com/fantasy69gurl

Now watch how it all goes to shit!

Her initial message:


"Hi Erin and girls! Fantasy69gurl here fantasy69gurl
(24/F/Kailspell, Montana) 1/6/02 11:30 am
Hi ladies, thanks for the invite. I really love your club, it is the kewlest one I've seen for us bi gals. Especially if your from Montana! My name is, well, let's just say Fantasy for now. I am 24 years old, single, bisexual and I live in Kalispell. I do not have a steady partner at this time. I just broke it off wih a couple I had been seeing for quite a while. He is straight, she is bi. We got into some awesome threesomes, but the husband started paying more attention to me than his wife, and well, you know the rest of the story. So rather than destroy our friendship totally, I got out before it got worse. Her husband still calls me, but it is over, his wife and I are too close of friends.
Seems men just don't seem to get that part of it, you know?
I had alos gone wih a boyfriend for nearly eight months and shared other girls with him. He got very abusive due to his drinking and now is spending time at a correctional institute. When he wasn't drinking, he was great, but once he had a few, the devil seemed to possess him.
So for now, I have nobody in my life. Maybe it's good to take a break and reflect back on things once in a while. You think?
I would love to come to the ranch and visit you ladies if at all possible. I think right now in my life, it would be good just to be with some ladies and leave the men out of it for the time being. I guess I'm just not a good judge of men.
So if you all are willing to meet me, I would gladly drive down some weekend and meet with you.
If you want to know my real name and all that, email me and I will tell you everything. I just don't want to post that to everybody, you just never know. Luv, Fantasy
Oh, by the way, I love horseback riding! I don't have my own horse however. "

 

[Frimost]

Ok, here I go now!

Here is my first reply-

"Re: Fantasy69gurl sarumen_the_white
(24/M/Illinois) 1/6/02 10:28 pm
Well, you certainly are beautiful, fantasy. In your profile I noticed you listed "Entertainer", If that is an allusion to "stripper" (are sure are pretty enough to be one) then let me give you a helpful tip (if you don't know them already). Don't date any of the regulars!

There are many times I have wondered about going to a strip-joint myself. Perhaps maybe I will sometime just to experience it, but I will never make it a habit if I do. Here's why, there are only two types of men IMHO that go to strip-joints, men that hate women and see them just as a sexual object made for their amusement, and lonely men filled with a deep subconscious self-loathing that can be quickly brought to the surface when inebriated. I know if I spent all my hard-earned money at a strip-joint I would be very self-conscious and critical of myself and it would damage my self-esteem. This self-pitying can easily lash out at the object of their desire, you. As for the other men, they just see you as a walking pussy.

So take a moment to reflect and look back on your choices in mates and try to discern any bad habits and what you can do to stop yourself from falling into the same rut again. "

 

[Frimost]

Ok here is her reply to me now...

"Re: Fantasy69gurl fantasy69gurl
(24/F/Kailspell, Montana) 1/7/02 11:58 am
Sarumen, thanks for the compliments. No I am not a stripper. I do do some dancing, but I don't strip. However, I do enjoy going to strip clubs and watching the girls perform. I think I could do it without any problems at all. I may even enjoy it. After all, it is kind of fun knowing you're turning somebody on. lol
No, my choices in men haven't been the best. It seems too many men are not open minded enough to understand the needs and desires of a bisexual woman. It isn't something we ask for or have a choice about, it is just who we are. Erin at the club has been very open about some of our feelings. She is an awesome lady. We should get a conversation going about bisexual women at the clubsite. Of course, all of bisexual gals pretty much know everything, but I see there are a lot of straight memebers and they probably don't know that much about bisexual women.
Lately, I have been sticking more with other women. Seems they are more caring and have a better understanding of things. I'm beginning to think that once men get a hard-on, they let their cocks do their thinking. They just want to get their willys (as Erin calls them) wet and don't care about anything else. I bet I am going to hear some response to that statement! lol But that's OK, maybe I'll meet a nice guy through the club. Later, FantasyGurl "

 

[Frimost]

OK, it's all me in this one

"Re: Fantasy69gurl sarumen_the_white
(24/M/Illinois) 1/7/02 2:27 pm
Hmmm, I would offer myself too you FantasGurl (and your profile picture sure does make me hungry), but if you are attracted to the "wrong kind of guys" you probably would not be interested in me (or any other nice guy here for that matter). That's not to mention the long distance between us two anyway.

Besides, maybe it's better you take a hiatus from men for a little while to get all your affairs in order before you pursue any straight relationships again.

Personally I would absolutely LOVE to have a bi g/f or wife, it’s been one of my biggest fantasies in life. I think it would be great and I would allow her to see other women outside our relationship from time to time as well. I could understand the sexual appeal that women have so I would not blame her wanting to get some pussy. However, to be perfectly honest, I have never actually experienced such a relationship in my life, so my supposed reactions to it are only how I rationally think I would act and are not invested with the emotion of having it actually occur too me.

In addition, I have stated my beliefs before on bi-women on other boards (and why I was attracted to them). Several bi-women who told me in a frank and honest manner that what I believed about bi-women was all. They said that it sounded like I believed in excuses and rationalizations for disrespectful and unfaithful behavior in a relationship by the bi-woman who wants to have her cake and eat it too. Basically, I surmised that they were trying to explain that love was love and it did not matter if it was too a man or a woman, but that she should be celibate to either one that she was currently in a relationship with. So I don't know, maybe I don't know as much as I think I do afterall. How can we men expect to understand the thought patterns and behaviors of a straight woman much less a more complex motivations of bi-women (especially when I have read messages from older lesbians who still don't understand their own gender). So I'm basically working by guesswork (as are most men). "

 

[Frimost]

Here is a follow-up by me to state my views

" sarumen_the_white
(24/M/Illinois) 1/7/02 3:01 pm
Here is what I wrote in one of my private emails awhile back explaining my views on bisexual women (which was promply dismissed for various reasons).

"If she beds another woman she is searching to cure an unfulfilled desire. If she beds another man then she is seeking to replace me.

A true bisexual has a need for both a male and a
female in her life. She has a taste for both sexes and the love for one is different from the love of another. She cannot get the comfort she craves from one or the other, she needs both the rough masculinity of a man and the gentle femininity of a woman.I cannot give her both, I am a man and therefor cannot offer here all the things she lusts. She will always have the need for both a man and a woman. The advice I got was never try to change a bisexual woman, that they will always have the need for another woman.

I have read what bisexuals wrote and from it I learned this about how they see things. Sex with a man and sex with a woman are two different things. They may prefer one over the other but will always have to occasionally have the other from time to time.

They bed a man when they want hard, physical,
penetrative sex. The like the hard, muscular bodies of men and the sweaty, submissive sex hey have with them. When they want gentle, sensual sex then a woman is the way to go. With women they have the affectionate slow foreplay and gentle sex that lasts all night. A woman’s body is soft, and smooth, something to cuddle up to and fondle.

One or the other cannot offer both types of sex, which is why they need men and women. It is like eating hamburgers and chicken. They are two different tastes, the appetite for one is not the same as the craving for the other. You could like one more, but you can only have it so long before you get tired of it and want to eat the other for a change.

I cannot give her both, she lusts after two different things. Therefor I would not blame her too much for partaking in sex with her own gender. She will have longing for other women, I understand, women are sexy. I think the loves are distinctly different in flavor from each other so why not let her indulge since I can not satisfy all her wants.

If she wants a soft supple body to cuddle against then I would rather have it be another woman. Because that other woman cannot give her the hard, penetrative sex that I can satiate her with (just as I can not offer the sensual, caring touch of another woman).

I crave sex with women myself, so how could I be angry at her if she did too? I understand the motivation, the affection she can give is not exactly the same as I can give. Women understand their own bodies better then I do. Thus they have more intimate knowledge of what to do then I can ever hope to gain. There is no shame in failing to give her pussy if I am a man, If I fail as a man then that is something to get depressed
about."

It's kind of long, but there was a window into my mind on how I regarded the subject. To be honest, I'm not so sure in my convictions anymore...What do you all think?"

 

[Frimost]

Things are heating up! Or are they?

Here is Fantasygurl again:

" fantasy69gurl
(24/F/Kailspell, Montana) 1/7/02 7:01 pm
Well Sarumen, you certainly said a lot! A lot of the things you said in your private email you posted after this were very true. But then, not all bi women feel the same way either. I guess a lot has to do with morals and personal choices.
Yes, the love received from another woman IS different than that received from man. With a woman, there seems to be more love involved than just raw sex. More compassion, let's say. This is my personal opinion and may not be the feelings of all bi women.
I don't ever expect to find 'Mr Right'. It really takes a special man to fulfill my needs. Not so much in the sex department as in everything else. Sex can be fulfilled with just about anybody. Compassion and understanding cannot!
Now remeber, I have made some bad choices in picking my male companions! I guess I'm just lousy at judging men. The sex part of it was great with them, all of them. The rest of the relationship ranged from mediocre to horrible!
I have NEVER felt this way with another woman!
It would be refreshing to me to go with a man who was totally open-minded and actually 'cared' about my feelings. That takes a lot of understanding and soul searching, I know. I'm sure there are guys like that out there, but finding them is another story. Seems all the good ones are taken. I have been with a few couples engaged in a sexual encounter where the woman is bi and the man is straight. One of those relationships I could not go back into because the man was so perfect. I was afraid I would start making advances towards him and try to steal him from his wife. She also knew how lucky she was to have a man like that. In another, the man was a pure jerk! He only married a bi woman so she could help him find other 'playmates'! I guess there are all kinds out there and always will be. Life is not a simple thing.
You sound like a pretty understanding fellow to me. But after you were actually married to a bi girl, things might look different to you. You never know yourself until you are in that situation.
I am for sure glad that are willing to discuss it. I wish more men would open up like you have.
With that, you impress me considerably! The way I look at things is, 'Who am I to judge'? I try not to be judgemental, but yet it seems we all do, in one way or another. Thank you for your input, I do appreciate it. Now if you could just teach me how to go about finding the right kind of man! One who wants more than sex!
Regards, Fantasygurl"

 

[Frimost]

me again, here it is-

Good or bad, here it is, the UGLY truth. You don't have to like it, it just is.

GOD AM I AN ASS FOR TELLING HER THE TRUTH!

"Oh No, I'm not an impartial judge of men sarumen_the_white
(24/M/Illinois) 1/8/02 4:39 pm
You'll have to find someone else for that job, Fantasygurl.

I'm not going to poke holes in my own boat, so to say, by praising the accomplishments and character of other men. To do so I would end up undermining myself as a prospective mate.

I will offer my advice from time to time if needed. I will also voice my opinions. But what I will NOT do is fall into the snare of being looked at as a brother or big sister. That is a purely platonic (and completely non-sexual) relationship and not a role I choose to be trapped in. No big brother syndrome for me, thank you very much!

Of course, if you were dating a good friend of mine then I would put in the good word for him, but that's different and a situation that does not pertain to this. Otherwise, any compliment I would give would be grudgingly at best and tainted by the fact that any suitor you saw would be seen by me as my sexual competition (whether for you or anyone else, it does not matter).

Remember that I am not gay so I do not look at men the same way you or other women do. However, usually I am a good judge of character but I will not let my commentary backfire on me in this regard. So keep in mind I am not androgynous or some kind of enough, I do have a penis you know.

However, I will happily point out the flaws in other men for you that women seem to overlook or miss. If they (other guys) want to be uplifted they can buy a damn balloon, because I am not going to inflate their egos anymore or sing their praise to you (they can go find another choirboy for that). Besides, my assessments would be tainted anyway.

I do not want to picture you with other men. We heterosexual men have a little tension and low-key hostility to each other when in the presence of a beautiful woman such as you. That is one of the reasons I would rather have you bee in a relationship with another woman right now. It's sort of the "If I can't have you then no man shall" kind of thing.

Regards, Sarumen "

 

[Frimost]

OUCH TIME!

Here is her reply, too shoot the messenger because you don't like the message.

"Re: Oh No, I'm not an impartial judge of fantasy69gurl
(24/F/Kailspell, Montana) 1/8/02 8:34 pm
My, my my! OK, 'big brother'! hehe I can see you and I could never have a realtionship. You are too self centered and possessive, from what I read between the lines of your posts. You would NOT compliment another man? You think maybe YOU are the 'bestest'? That sounds selfish to me! I guess you have a long way to go to understand the thinking of a bi-sexual woman! I know of no bi ladies who think that way. Most I know compliment each other and frequently. They think more of the other person than they do themselves, in most cases. I guess you better stick to heterosexual ladies! Than YOU can be king shit and possibly manipulate her into your control.
I guess montana david hit it on the head when he said there wasn't enough blood pressure to operate both 'heads' at the same time! It sounds like you do a lot of thinking with the smaller one! Maybe your blood pressure isn't strong enough to get up to the other!
Take a look at the girls at the ranch. Five bisexual women who spend a lot of time togethor, and are willing to share anything and everything with each other. No qualms. And they all push for the other to succeed. Even if one or two didn't make it, the others would be totally happy that some of them did, without jealosy. I guess maybe that's what true love really is all about.
I wish I lived closer to Montana, believe me.
Sharing is a feeling that comes from within, you either will, or you won't. All of our parents tried to instill it in us a young age, but as we grew, many of us became selfish and wanted it all for ourselves. I guess at one point in my life, I was that way myself. Not now though, not ever again! If you and I went togethor, you could share me with another woman 'occasionally', right? But could you share me with another man?
Never happen, right? Your jealousies would consume you! Yet, believe it or not, there are straight guys married to bi gals who DO share their wives with other guys. Not many, granted, but there are some. I wish I could find one!
Being bi isn't something we choose, it's just who we are! Didn't I say that once? Ask any man married to a bi gal if he is sexually satisfied!
I venture to say there would be very, very few who would say no! And although sex isn't everything in a relationship, it sure makes the other stuff easier to live with if you are sexually satisfied!
SEX IS FUN!! It was invented to be enjoyed! Not just to have babies! How many people think sex is NOT fun? lol And people just love to have fun, right? 2+2=4! Simply put!
I hope I'm not getting your blood pressure up to high writing this to you, I would sure hate to see start using the head on your shoulders! lol
So give me your all honey, I'm waiting!
Oh, I was just thinking, if all your brains were in that little head of yours, I could sure fuck your brains out fast!!!
Big wet kisses to you!! Fantasygurl"

 

[Frimost]

Another person adds to the pile on!

"Re: Oh No, I'm not an impartial judge of hd1new
(47/M/BOZEMAN, MONTANA) 1/8/02 8:50 pm
THAT WAS GREAT SWEETY.. U GOT IT RIGHT!! HAPPY NEW YEAR.."

 

[Frimost]

OK

Now what lesson does that teach men, ladies?
I guess I'm so damn honest that I'll always remain a virgin.

In case any of you were curious all of this occured yesterday and today on a yahoo club: http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/montana5ranch

I have a really long winded retort that I did not feel the need to post here because you all got the message and if you really want to hear what I say in return you can just go there yourself.

I belive I made my point here?

 

[talulah]

Here's where you went wrong: Instead of getting all pissy that she wanted your help in judging men, you should have told her what to look for in a man who would care about her feelings, using yourself as an example. Girls don't like lies, but there are ways around being brutally honest to the point of offending someone.

My best friend's philosophy on the whole "big brother syndrome" is this- 'I may not get to sleep with the really hot girl who looks to me for advice, but she has really hot friends that she can introduce me to." Wise words from a man who is very seldom without a date.

 

[Frimost]

Thanks for your comments

Even AFTER I wrote it I knew I was in for it. I knew I cam off to heavy-handed and stuff. You see, I am the real deal, an emotional guy and some things that are PLUSES in some situations are MINUSES in others. Many of the women out there don't seem to realize there are negative aspects to being more in touch with your emotions. What happened here is when I read her second to last message I remembered a friend, Joe S, who was in the exact same situation (as being thought of as just a friend). His female friends would talk about explicit sex around him making him all frustrated and angry deep down inside but he was too nice to do anything more then be that shoulder to cry on, the counselor who offers advice but is forgotten when it comes to prospective b/fs. Its like women expect some men to be some type of stereotypical super-heroes or something, always helping them without compensation of any kind. Poor Joe, they respected him as a friend but their blatant disregard for his sexuality was a sign of disrespect for him as a man. I remembered that which is why I got defensive right away. There is down sides to every trait, and women, guys who are sensitive have thinner skins.

 

[Frimost]

Oh, talulah

And what if it’s the one asking you for advice that you really want to sleep with? What then? Nobody like to be rejected and when you are put into the "just a friend" category that is what is happening. Besides, she didn't sound like she really had any good friends.

BTW-That acquaintance of mine from several years ago, Joe S. He did the same thing your friend did but he only got to sleep with one woman (who was not all that hot) that treated him like shit. What about Zidane, he subscribes to your friend’s philosophy and he is a virgin too?

 

[Zidane]

who said I subsribed to anyone's philosophy! Don't drag me into this!

 

[Frimost]

You did!

You just said it on your latest post on the other thread! lol Are you going to make me cut and paste it here now (how you are a nice guy and get rejected for it)?

 

[Malachi]

Extremely Interesting Conversation

I thought that whole interaction between you and that girl was fascinating, both in the content of what you guys were saying and in a weird sociological sense.

Frimost, it must have been a bit disappointing to be seemingly hitting it off with such a beautiful and sexy woman, only to have her get suddenly nasty like that. But (in my honest opinion) your straightforwardness and honesty got you the Best Possible Result: You got that psycho bitch away from you. Or, to be less judgemental of her, and more politically correct, the two of you jointly and correctly determined that you are incompatible. (I see *some* validity that way of looking at things).

She realized you weren't her type, which is to say that you seemed to want an actual relationship: physical, emotional, intellectual, and also involving trust and *some* type of commitment. She doesn't want that, from you or from any man, regardless of what she says, and regardless of what she herself believes. Unfortunately, such women are not all that uncommon.

Realizing on some level that you weren't what she wanted, she had to go psycho on you and *manufacture* reasons why you were some kind of jerk. Alternatively, if you had been more diplomatic with her and less provocative, she would have said that you were simply "too nice" or that she thought of you in some 'friend'ly or brotherly fashion. If you believe people are basically good on an underlying level, it's even possible to say that she wouldn't want to risk hurting you by getting involved with you.

It's worth noting that if you *did* just want to get laid, you probably did go about things in much the wrong way. Not that *I* know the right way, nor am I likely to try to figure it out.

My whole life, I've had a tendency to do what most guys do, most reasonably nice guys, that is. That's to say I select a woman based on some criteria, some combination of appearance, personality, intelligence, etc. and try my darndest to 'win' her, to convince her that I'm the right man for her. This is not completely wrong, but it is fundamentally misguided. The correct first thing to do is to determine whether the *girl* is suitable for *you*. When I have held onto this idea, I've had reasonably successful relationships. When I've pursued too vehemently, when I've forced something where there wasn't enough reciprocal interest, it invariably ended disastrously. Sometimes I actually *did* 'win' her. Those were the very worst disasters, and I was the one who invariably got hurt.

A lot of sensitive men feel that they (we) should not be overlooked by women. We like to believe that we are different from 'all the jerks.' Unusual we are, hard to find, we should be valued. What we sometimes overlook is that there are a lot of female 'jerks' out there: liars, users, manipulators and some of them are beautiful, intelligent, fun and seemingly nice, but very very selfish. DON'T BELIEVE THAT YOU COULD EVER BE REJECTED BY A WOMAN WHO WAS REALLY RIGHT FOR YOU. It probably saved yourslf a lot of heartache.

There has never been a more applicable situation to say:
"Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it."

Also:
"If you didn't get it, you probably didn't want it anyway."

 

[Frimost]

Interesting commentary

Thanks for the insightful post Malachi, I have come to many of the same conclusions myself (that she is selfish and would just break my heart anyway). However, hearing it come from somebody else offers some solace, thank you.

 

[SexyChele]

Have to admit that I was almost afraid to come into this thread! Glad I did, though - and thank you, Frimost for bringing up an interesting topic.

I don't think you made your "mistake" (if you want to call it that) in being honest at all. I think it was in how you said what you said. Also, I don't know, but I'm guessing this gal is very young. Late teen/early 20s, maybe? Why do I ask? Because at my ripe old age, the only men I ask advice about other men are men I know, without a doubt, that we are truly just friends.

I have been guilty in the past of going to men who seemed so nice, so sweet, so sympathetic, so kind, and talking to them about this guy or that guy that I was interested in. Only when the guy I was asking advice from didn't return my calls, or no longer talked to me, would I later discover that he actually liked me and I was tearing his heart out every time I brought up yet another man I was interested in.

Do I feel badly about that? Not at the time - felt he should have known better. But then, I was in my early 20s, and the world still revolved, for the most part, around me. I feeld badly about it now - very much so. After many heartbreaks and discouragements, I have come to see what "gems" these men were - and how easily I discarded them.

Now, I actively seek out these "nice guys", and have found them to be exceptionally romantic, caring, and giving - so much more so than the assholes in the world.

But, I'm getting away from things, aren't I? Sorry....

This girl sounds like just that - a girl. She has already admitted to making several mistakes in her choice of men, and wants to take a "hiatus" to "think things out". Uh-uh - big trouble. She probably won't "think" over anything, and jump into another destructive relationship. Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt, and wore it out. After the second post with this girl, I was seeing danger signs going off in all different directions. Well, I guess women can see through other women more clearly.

Also, I think she reacted overly strong to your remarks. Another sign of immaturity. I mean...."I read between the lines of your post"? C'mon! A mature person is going to come back to you and say something like, "You know, I think you were trying to say X - can you clarify that a little more?" Big difference. But I think she has issues with commitment and possibly loyalty. It sounds as though she is not simply interested in being with another women, but is more into couples. And reading your responses was like telling her - "it's okay for you to be with another woman, but I wouldn't want you with another man." (which is a typical response for a lot of men)

Could be crossed communication lines, lack of maturity, or she simply pushes away men who might actually be good for her. I know I did alot of the last.

I think this is a good lesson in communication, though I think it might be interesting to hear things out with a straight woman. Not that there is anything at all wrong with being bi - but bi-women bring different issues into a relationship that straight women do not have. Not that either one is better than the other.

Thanks again for the interesting topic.

 

[Zidane]

sorry, thought you were talking about something totally different.

 

[Frimost]

Her latest reply

Ok, here is the latest stuff from her, it really speaks for itself and volumes about her character (or lack of it in this case).

"Re: Re:Love between a man and woman PART fantasy69gurl
(24/F/Kailspell, Montana) 1/9/02 12:58 pm
Wow! I really got your cage rattled, didn't I?
The only way I see it is you can not distinguish the difference between sex and love. Love is a much deeper emotion, a very hard one to explain.
If I loved everyone I ever had sex with, I would sure have a list! What's wrong with just 'liking' someone and having sex with them? Having sex just for the pure enjoyment of it! Once you've had sex and your 'little' head is happy, then, since you laying in a prone position and the blood flow can get to your 'big' head, you must get overcome with the feeling that you loved what you just did, so it must be love? Geez, get real!
So if you sit in the corner and jack-off, are you in love with your hand when you're done? Do you kiss it and caress it and tell it how much you love it?
I think you need to find someone for some good raw sex! No, maybe not. You would probably fall in love with them!
Fantasygurl "


BTW- The "(24/F/Kailspell, Montana)" refers to the fact that she is 24 years old (the exact same age as I am) and lives in the town of Kailspell in Montana.

 

[Frimost]

Here she mentions me again

I think allot of guys here are messaging her and sending her emails. Pff-your funeral. Sex with absolutely no emotional attachments what’s so ever is easier said then done, its like the saying goes, "be careful for what you wish for, you just might get it". Besides, how good can it be without any intimacy or trust involved? You already know she will stab you in the back the first opportunity she gets.

"Re: Holy shit, Fantasygurl!!!! fantasy69gurl
(24/F/Kailspell, Montana) 1/9/02 7:41 pm
LOL! LOL! LOL! Yahoooooooooo!
That is really funny Jodi! I've received a few also! Guess we musta got their doingers up! lol
I'd kinda like to bang sarumen, just to show him what real SEX is like! I'm not sure he knows! but then he would fall in love with me and want to lay down new rules and all, right? Guess not!
I like being a free agent! Even if my choices in men aren't always the best, at least I can give them the boot when when I feel like it! lol
So how about you and I get togethor? Are you going to the big shindig at the ranch on July 4th, for sure? I am going to do my best to nake it. I'm 95% sure right now. The only thing that would change is how things are at work around that time. You and I can take a ride all by ourselves! lol Keep in touch! Fantasygurl"

 

[SexyChele]

Frimost,
Okay, once I got home, I was able to look up this girl's id page. Seems to me that is a VERY well taken photo she's got there! Maybe a little "too" well done? I mean, the girl in the picture is gorgeous, but is it her? It has been done before.

I dump this bimbo - and that is exactly what she is. Sure guys here are going to message her and pump her ego, but she's a game-player, plain and simple. She wants to be a free agent, she admits to poor choices in men. What's that spell? Loser.

Trust me, you are much better without this one. Be glad she got away.

 

[Topher]

the hobbit?

I thought she looked like a midget, or maybe like that Skrugg gymnast. Maybe it was the angle, but I don't think she is gorgeous.

 

[Frimost]

Sexychele-pretty AND smart

Thank you Sexychele, I appreciate your opinion immensely. I apologize in advance if I offend you by admitting after reading what you had to say I pasted you comments there. It seems yet another person on a third sexual board I went to thinks much the same (that she is most likely a man). I hope I did not breach your confidence by going so. I just felt like illustrating that it was not just me being harsh and judgmental about her in my assessment of her personality (as I was accused of being over there) that more mature and knowledgeable people than myself felt the same way. I did not drop a link for the fools to follow me back here though. So there is little likelihood of them ever coming into contact with any of you here (one way link, we can go there but there is no way for them to get here unless someone else tells them the URL of this place).

You are very intelligent Sexychele, I wouldn't mind "sexing" you up!

 

[Malachi]

Wish me luck.

Wish me luck, guys.
I just put up my personal ad on this site. I tried my hardest to be honest and I'm thinking that if I can enlist the telepathic support of all the nice, honest guys on this site I can magically attract the woman of my dreams.

I also have a few more things to say to Frimost and also perhaps to Zidane. Although I am thirty now and have been in relationships, I was a virgin, never having even kissed a girl until I was 19, and to this day I still retain a lot of the mentality of that 19 year old virgin.
I may have misled when I said that you didn't really want to get involved with that girl. There's no question that things wouldn't have worked out and that you would have gotten hurt, but there are some lessons that can't be told, some lessons that simply must be learned through experience. See, it could be even more difficult to find the woman of your dreams if you do not have the experience to recognize and appreciate her. The other sad truth is that almost no women, even fairly good women, look particularly kindly on men who have been unable to attract anyone in the past.

Zidane, Frimost, and all the rest of you...
You guys are 19-20 years old and I want to tell you something very important... You have retained your personal goals and ideals for a very long time, even though you have gotten little or no noticeable benefits thereby. I can promise you that you will suffer and feel pain for what you believe, and for what you want. But you are the baddest, strongest motherfuckers in the entire world and you will never give up on your beliefs of honesty, trust and truth for as long as you live no matter how frequently or how badly you are punished for them. You will be hurt and feel pain but you will never give up hope. Ultimately you will realize that you will stay who you are, that you cannot be damaged, that you *cannot* be hurt, not fundamentally; that you will continue to be open, to trust, to be honest and to look for the woman that will know and appreciate you. However, do not forget: *Women need strength* in one form or another and when *you*, (without ever even changing), only realize how truly strong you are they will come to you: they will come to you like bees to honey. They will not all be right for you... choose wisely.

Zidane, I have butted heads with you a bit from time to time on this site but I want you to know that I respect your opinions and the fact that you are willing to stick up for them, even in situations where it seems that you are unlikely to gain any support.
I don't know if you'll agree with me, but realize that I am on your side while I say that I think the reason you are better than many other guys is because you care about people and about women's feelings, *not* because you have any less desire to touch them, to feel them, and ultimately to screw them. I hate to see men who feel guilty about the simple fact of their sexuality, especially kindhearted ones.

-James