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Ann Rostow, Gay.com / PlanetOut.com Network
Monday, December 2, 2002

Supreme Court will hear sodomy case


On Monday, the U.S. Supreme Court agreed to hear the case of Lawrence and Garner v. Texas, a sodomy challenge that has the potential to overturn the 1986 precedent of Bowers v. Hardwick.

The Supreme Court's 5-4 opinion in Bowers v. Hardwick, ruling that Georgia and other states had the right to criminalize sodomy on grounds of public morality, set the gay rights movement back on its heels. Although the decision has since been eclipsed by the pro-gay ruling in Romer v. Evans, (striking a Colorado amendment that prohibited gay rights laws or policies), conservative courts still cite Bowers v. Hardwick to support anti-gay rulings on a range of issues.

Since Hardwick, the composition of the Supreme Court has changed dramatically. With six new justices, only justices Rehnquist, O'Connor and Stevens remain from the Hardwick Court. The 1996 Romer court, however, is unchanged from the day when it ruled 6-3 that the Colorado amendment trampled on the gay community's right to equal protection by treating gay Coloradans differently under the law for no reason other than general hostility.

Unlike Hardwick, the Texas case rests both on the right to privacy and the right to equal protection. Texas's sodomy law applies exclusively to homosexuals, treating gay men and lesbians differently than straight Texans, and requiring the state to present the court with a rational reason for the disparity. "Animus alone," the Romer decision said, is not a good enough excuse.

The Texas case stemmed from the arrest of two Houston men who were having sex in their own bedroom when the police entered their home on a false emergency call. John Lawrence and Tyron Garner were arrested, and jailed for a night. The matter went up the ranks of the Texas courts, winning an appellate court ruling, but losing to the full appellate court of the Houston area. Subsequently, the state's highest criminal court declined to review the case, and Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund petitioned the high court in July.

The Supreme Court accepts a small fraction of the petitions submitted, and does so generally with an eye towards resolving or clarifying an important constitutional issue.

Justices Rehnquist and Stevens would be expected to maintain the positions they took in Hardwick, the former in the majority and the latter in dissent. Justice O'Connor voted with the majority in Hardwick, but also voted with the majority in the equal protection case of Romer. As for the rest of the court, Scalia and Thomas are staunch conservatives.

Ginsburg, Souter and Breyer are likely on the gay rights side. And Kennedy, like O'Connor, is considered a swing vote -- a swing vote who nonetheless authored the strong majority opinion in Romer.

Advocates for gay rights praised the high court's announcement on Monday.

"This is a significant step forward because it means the court has seen the serious constitutional problems with these (sodomy) laws and is willing to look at them closely," said Ruth Harlow, Lamda's legal director, in a written statement. "We now have an opportunity to convince the court to remedy the widespread harms to gay and lesbian people caused by Texas's law and others like it."

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so, whaddya think? should buttfucking be illegal? should states have the rights to legislate the goings-on in the bedrooms of their residents? how do you think the supremes will weigh in on this?


oh, and just to prevent anyone else from saying this: yes, the article is incredibly biased.
 
If it's legal for my boyfriend to fuck me up the ass as a woman, it should be legal for a man to fuck another man up the ass as well.
 
Freya2 said:
If it's legal for my boyfriend to fuck me up the ass as a woman, it should be legal for a man to fuck another man up the ass as well.

it's not, lawbreaker.
 
perky_baby said:
it's not, lawbreaker.

I am a good girl Perkster - I'd never break a law. :D

"Texas's sodomy law applies exclusively to homosexuals, treating gay men and lesbians differently than straight Texans, "
 
Well, it ain't legal here in Texas. Which is a shame and an embarrassment. As fond of Texas as I am, this is the one area in which I cringe with mortification.

I don't have high hopes for the SC to rule any part of the Texas sodomy laws unconstitutional, but it doesn't stop me from dreaming. My guess is they'll uphold it, but the wording in the majority decision will be weak and wishy-washy, leaving the door open for the next round.
 
perky_baby said:
it's not, lawbreaker.
no, in texas it's only illegal for same sex sodomy. the law was changed in the '70s. Heteros can sodomize each other to their hearts' delight and the state has no compeling interest.
 
damn, I wanted to play naughty sodomy girl with freya.
 
whoever came up with these laws never had a prostate massage...
 
glamorilla said:
whoever came up with these laws never had a prostate massage...

My theory is they had one at the doctor's office, liked it too much and got skeeeeeeered!
 
i think the court will overturn it. the language in the Hardwick opinion is laughable by today's standards.
 
perky_baby said:
damn, I wanted to play naughty sodomy girl with freya.


Pssst, we can still do that can't we? I'll be the boy. Or you, either or. :D
 
I think you'd be hard pressed to reunite them, but my guess is the Supremes would sing "Where did our love go?" in re: sodomy. ;)

But, no, I wouldn't want the government to tell me what is permissible in my bedroom. I am for less government and more sex.
 
The future of gay rights legislation is not a 14th amendment sexual orientation claim, nor is it the right to privacy claim. These have failed. I hope this doesn't.

I think the way for attorneys to argue in the future is to use it as pure sex (as in gender) discrimination. Essentially what they say is that one thing is ok for a woman but not for a man. If you focus completely on gender/ sex discrimination, I think there is a possibility for future cases to actually be found in favor of the gay rights movement.
 
Pierre Elliot Trudeau (Fmr CDN PM) - The government has no place in the bedrooms of the nation.

If two consenting adults choose to travel the hershey highway in the privacy of their own bedroom, why should the gov't get involved? To protect public morality? Nothing they did was made public.

Besides, as Lavy noted, it is incredibly descriminatory. What goes for one group of people, should go for the other group as well.
 
is this a state's rights issue? does the federal government have the right to restrict this kind of thing?
 
seXieleXie said:
is this a state's rights issue? does the federal government have the right to restrict this kind of thing?
If the Supreme Court has decided to hear a particular case, it's because they have already determined that there are Constitutional questions involved. The individual states can't make laws which are at odds with the Constitution.
 
okay birdie, if you say so.

what i know about constitutional law could be written on the head of a pin and there'd still be room for a Hail Mary
:)
 
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