This is sickening, but I can't help but wonder...

[Kymberley]

I just got off yahoo with a friend. We were talking about how the cyberworld is so secluded from reality that we are truly whatever we choose to be.

She made such and off the wall comment towards the end of the conversation that just made me start thinking.

Would people honestly pretend to have been personally affected by this horrible attack just for attention. Think about it, how hard is it to prove a chatter wrong on these facts?

I guess what I am saying, are there people willing to falsely claim to have lost family, or friends, or been there themselves just for attention? Don't they know that anyone missing since Tuesday, that were in the building or near the base are dead, with the exception of the few firemen and police officers pulled out that night?

The list of wounded at the hospitals are available on the net now, just put in the name of the victim and if they were treated, there name is there. Would people actually try and gain our sympathy in such a sick way?

I hope not, but now I wonder after hearing a few internet acquaintances showing up miraculously from other sites I pop in at.


*shudders*

 

[p_p_man]

I think you'll find this is more common than most decent people think.

During the Second World War when London was being blitzed by the Luftwaffe more stories of narrow escapes were circulated than could possibly have happened when the number of real incidents were listed.

There was even a feeling of perverted pride in other Londoners when they saw the East End in flames. A feeling that they were going through it as well, even though they were miles from the action and were never in danger of being bombed.

S'funny ole world...

 

[Gilly Bean]

Unfortunatly, I am sure there are alot of people out there who are going to do something like this.

So many people need, and crave attention, that they create problems in thier lives for the support, and sympathy they get for it.

A few years back, a women got charged with murder, and went to jail. The reason? After her daughter got sick with a curable disease, she recieved alot of attention. After the daughter was cured, the attention went away. The women then started slowly poisoning her daughter, so she would remain sick, and the woman would have more attention.

This is a very common thing to have happen. I went to school with at least 3 girls who were like this. I guess there are guys out there who do it as well, but I don't know of any, so I tend to lean towards it being something that women would do, over guys.
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[Starfish]

Fucked up, isn't it.

It is not surprising though. Take that woman, whose been arrested, who claimed she talked to her husband on a cell phone, under the rubble, but she actually didn't.

Don't people realize that cell phone calls are easily traceable.

There is even a situation here at lit that I am not buying.
I won't go into that, but lies are easy to see.

It is sick how some will even use that shit to get out of trouble for crap they've said or done.

It's really pathetic.

I forgot to add that it is annoying not only because it's bullshit, but because people from lit where really worried about legitamate dissapearances, as in the case of Mistress Honey, Tipsy, and Gentlovin, plus Cym's family members.

 

[plasticman33]

Sad, but true

So many people look for attention, even to the point of lying to gain it. Gilly's example even has a name, "Munchausen by Proxy syndrome" . It's sad that there are so many sad and lonely people out there.

 

[Gilly Bean]

Re: Sad, but true

So many people look for attention, even to the point of lying to gain it. Gilly's example even has a name, "Munchausen by Proxy syndrome" . It's sad that there are so many sad and lonely people out there.

The bad part is, is that most of the time, these women are not lonely in the traditional sense. The woman who got arrested. She had a family, consisting of a husband, two sons, and the daughter. She was in the PTA, she sat on charity boards, and her husband made enouh to give them a very decent living. Some people are just so used to being the center of attention, that when something happens to someone else, they have to 'top' it.

Now, in the case of what happened in NY, there are SO many ways to take it.

For example... I saw it happen. I was standing there. My best friend was in it, my brother is missing, my son-in-law was supposed to be there, my husband is a pilot who was supposed to be on one of those flights, etc.

It doesn't need to be physical to them for it to gather and garner sympathy.

Someone else said that things can be traced. Honestly, if you know someone, and don't think they would lie, who would check up on it? More often then not, things are very checkable, but people just want to believe the best of others, so they do.

The woman who killed her kids by drowning them. How long did it take America to wake up, and see that she did it, and not some 'carjacker'?

We want to believe the best, and people like that pray on that. Half the time, they even start to believe it themselves when they tell a story.

For instance, when I was in 11th grade, a friend of mine wanted to buy a car. We stopped at someone's house, and looked at a fairly nice, fairly new Geo Storm. She convinced the person that she wanted her father to see it first, so she was able to get the car.

After driving it around for a while, she took it back, and said her father wanted to have a mechanic look it over. No problem, they said. She got the car over night. Her father never knew, btw.

The next day, she was supposed to take it back, and for what ever reason, didn't. I wasn't with her when she gave them some other excuse. Well, it was the middle of winter, and she came over that night, which was Friday, to pick me, and another girl up.

We were driving over these 'airtime' hills, going roughly 90 UP them. Suprise suprise, we wiped out, and the damn car was up on two wheels for a portion of, with me looking at the ground. Nothing serious happened to any of us.

Now, instead of explaining what happened, that we wiped out on ice and snow packed roads, she told everyone... (Meaning, the police, the rescue workers, her dad, the owners of the car, etc...) that we were involved in a hit and run. She got a TON of sympathy... right up until they asked me and the other girl to tell our versions of what happened. She got in serious trouble. She had to pay for all damage to the car, and luckily, she got off with a serious warning, and a large ticket, was all with the police. She also had to pay for my hospital bill, and my friends, since we had to be checked over in the ER.


Anyway, bottom line is, someone like that will make up anything they can to get what they want. With the girl above, she was a pathilogical liar as well as needing the attention. Not a healthy combination.

So, beware people, if the story sounds fishy, there are people out there who do not believe it for good reason.

 

[TygerEyez]

Unfortunately, people in Indiana are doing it here. There's a person in my Creative Writing class that, after she missed an assignment, claimed she couldn't do it because of an emotional breakdown. Why? Her friend was in the building.

And I know this was a lie, because I heard her concoct it earlier when she was talking to a friend. People with big mouthes shouldn't scheme.

I guess it just pisses me off because I know one of the firefighters that was killed. I haven't talked to him in years, but he was one of my friend's dads when I was growing up.

Their lies take away from those who have really lost people. Seems to me this happened once before... but with another subject. *glares angrily into cyberspace, flicks off the unseen reader and zips her lip*

 

[Starfish]

I didn't go to class on Wed. or Thurs. and I had a paper due. I did it anyway, but I just had it dropped off to the teacher, and said that we are too shook up to be in class, just because of all that has happened.

Why do people have to lie? I just said the truth. I am too sad, angry, and broken up for the families, and others, that I can't be in public. End of story.

I think anyone reasonable enough would know that it doesn't take having relations involved to be moved, disturbed, upset, frustrated, distracted, and emotionally incompetant at a time like this.

For fuck's sake!

 

[shadowsource]

Think of all those Vietnam "vets" -

I've met at least five people who falsely claim to have fought in Vietnam. One appears sometimes on CNN as a military "expert." So far as we could tell, he was conflicted because his father had been a big player in the CIA's Operation Phoenix, by which tens of thousands of community leaders, Viet Cong suspects, were murdered by the US. His answer was to pose as a left-wing Vietnam vet military expert, to call all women "bitches," and to steal books from libraries for his own military library (which I've heard was stolen from him eventually). I warrant he'll show up on Fox News, MSNBC, or CNN soon enough. He's insane.

 

[teresafannin]

I would never have thought that people could do things like that until I went to my first survivors's conference last year. It is actually very common for people to claim to be family or friends with someone who has been involved in a tragedy. Some of the stories I heard were horrible. It happened to my niece after my son was killed. A boy in her high school claimed to have played soccer with Justin before we moved to DFW. Justin was only 5 when we moved & never played any kind of sports until he was older. I don't know if this boy was trying to impress my niece or what, but it really bothered her when I told her that it couldn't be true. There was actually a woman who claimed to be the mother of a boy who was murdered & she was collecting money from several organizations. The boy's real mother was horrified when she saw this stuff on the news & she had to appear on the news to prove she was the real mom.

 

[Guest]

I think many Lit regulars and lurkers are questioning the veracity of one member's story regarding a relative being involved the in the terrorist attacks. It's sickening how someone could lie about something so serious. I think that will ALWAYS bother me.

 

[Gilly Bean]

I think many Lit regulars and lurkers are questioning the veracity of one member's story regarding a relative being involved the in the terrorist attacks. It's sickening how someone could lie about something so serious. I think that will ALWAYS bother me.

It's nice that while making assumptions that are so loud, you hid behind an unregistered name. So tell me, do we know you, guest? And be more specific, because I have no idea who you are referring to, so I must not be doubting anything right now.

 

[Guest]

Hey, Starfish and Cheyenne also pointed it out. Go bitch at them moron.

 

[Starfish]

I am not unregistered, but I'll say it outloud.... As myself, although I didn't want to...

Always' story is tripe, crap, bile and scummy filth, aimed at taking advantage of people so she won't be a target, due to her immoral actions and words here a lit. It is a total shame that she made a sick descision to cover up her idiocy, in posting that distasteful and pathetic joke on the day of the bombing, with a fake story about her brother.

I, along with the people who are there working, along with those who are counting bodies, and the media, and the President, and you good folks (for the most part) know for a fucking fact that no one has 'been found'. It is all plainly a lie. End of story.

Unregistered, Why is is so hard to say what you feel?
I am not phased by it, but really.. don't you think that is a bit weak, to not post as yourself?
Anyway, fuck it. What do you care what people think of your opinion?


I just feel bad for those being milked for their sympathy.

 

[Gilly Bean]

Hey, Starfish and Cheyenne also pointed it out. Go bitch at them moron.

The made a subtle opinion. They didn't try to speak for the rest of us, and they didn't hide behind the unregistered.

 

[Kymberley]

Gilly....I think what the unregistered guest is trying to point out is....go to the who is missing thread and read all of them closely.

The reasons to doubt is there.


cym, you and your family are still in our prayers and MH and Tipsy, great to see you both are alive and safe.

 

[April]

Unregistered, your tone is uncalled for, and I'm sure you've been around long enough to know how we feel about people too worried about their "social standing" to use their "name".

So piss off.

 

[Kymberley]

ps. Starfish....ignore that part of the IM...lol

I am not unregistered, but I'll say it outloud.... As myself, although I didn't want to...

Always' story is tripe, crap, bile and scummy filth, aimed at taking advantage of people so she won't be a target, due to her immoral actions and words here a lit. It is a total shame that she made a sick descision to cover up her idiocy, in posting that distasteful and pathetic joke on the day of the bombing, with a fake story about her brother.

I, along with the people who are there working, along with those who are counting bodies, and the media, and the President, and you good folks (for the most part) know for a fucking fact that no one has 'been found'. It is all plainly a lie. End of story.

Unregistered, Why is is so hard to say what you feel?
I am not phased by it, but really.. don't you think that is a bit weak, to not post as yourself?
Anyway, fuck it. What do you care what people think of your opinion?


I just feel bad for those being milked for their sympathy.

 

[Starfish]

Hey, Starfish and Cheyenne also pointed it out. Go bitch at them moron.

Don't call her a moron.
There is a clear difference between what I've said, and what you've said.

Isn't it a bit clear and established on the public stance of trolling your opinions, here at lit?

It is clear to me that I didn't hide behind a guest name. I have even now, clearly stated my beliefs, so as to not 'hide' from anything.

Don't drag me into your fears and weakness.

I am nothing near weak and fearful.

 

[Boo]

Gilly Bean:

You don't know me but I've been a lurker and infrequent poster here for a long time. Just wanted to note that it is a legitimate practice on this board for registered and unregistered posters to post. That is part of the forum. Being registered does not miraculously make your opinion more valid. In fact, there are many valid professional and career reasons not to become registered. In light of that, I just want to say, I think Unregistered was referring to a certain "revelation" and subsequent comments on Golden's "Who is Lost?" thread. I didn't post when reading the original "revelation" of relative saved, because Cheyenne beat me to it. No name calling here. Just questions raised by the post. Also, I'm willing to bet that if the post regarding someone saved had come from an unregistered guest instead of regular, long time and well liked poster, the reaction would have been much more severe by the "regulars."

GB: Also, in the short time that you have been posting, I have enjoyed your threads and insightful comments.

Boo

 

[Gilly Bean]

Gilly....I think what the unregistered guest is trying to point out is....go to the who is missing thread and read all of them closely.

The reasons to doubt is there.


cym, you and your family are still in our prayers and MH and Tipsy, great to see you both are alive and safe.

I know what he is trying to point out. What bothers me, is that he is hiding as an unregistered guest, but seems to 'know' us all well enough to say that we all think that.

 

[registered "^^"]

Now back to the topic

Becareful of telephone solicitors people, there have already been several scams busted in Indiana. People collecting money in the name of firefighters or the rescue workers. When you give make sure it is thru a bonified charity.

 

[Guest]

I said "I think." Never once did I say I was speaking for the board. Get your facts straight before jumping into an argument.

 

[Starfish]

Boo had some good points, and I understand that many post here as unregistered. I just see it as being that someone of true unregistered status would have just said something to the effect of.... I think that Always' story is crap. Not incinuating it in (not so) 'cryptical' manner.

I retract any bitterness in my tone that may have come out, in all cases, even that of downing Always, even though her story is feces in a burning paper bag on lit's front porch.

I guess that I am not doing as well, in mind, about last week's tragedy, as I thought I was.

 

[Boo]

I don't get it people, please explain.

What do you registered people have against people who don't. The status of unregistered vs. registered does not in any way devalue or create value in the thoughts and comments of a person who posts. And for hell's sake, this is the INTERNET. In a certain way, we are all hiding behind our wall of psuedo cyber protection. It allows us to say whatever we want, to whomever we want, in whatever way. I daresay that many of you registered posters bashing the unregistered don't go to church on Sunday or work on Monday or school on Wednesday or even to the clubs on Friday and discuss what you learned or argured about on the literotica BB forrum with an honest reference as to its source. I also daresay that may of you do. Point? What is the difference? I'm asking because I hear you people bitch about it and I really don't understand why this status or non status bothers you. Certainly you can't be naive enough to think it is a question of honesty? The post in quesion, about the relative saved, among hundreds of others, will debunk that argument. So tell me.

Curious,

Boo