this is pretty dumb

[Boxlicker101]

This is pretty dumb:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070708/ap_on_el_ho/cindy_sheehan_pelosi

For a couple reasons. There will be no attempt at impeachment; almost every member of Congress knows it would be a waste of everybody's time. Cindy Sheehan lives in Texas and the seat in question is in san Francisco, so she would not be eligible to run for office there. If she did move to SF and ran for the seat and somehow managed to win, which she wouldn't, she would be a very junior member of Congress, starting twenty days before the end of W's term.

At one time, as a Gold Star Mother, I could sympathize with the woman but thart was before she exhibited her goofiness.

 

[BlackShanglan]

I'm still very sorry for her loss, but I don't think much of her political ambitions.

 

[CharleyH]

This is pretty dumb:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070708/ap_on_el_ho/cindy_sheehan_pelosi

For a couple reasons. There will be no attempt at impeachment

Fortunately there is no where that Bush or enthusiasts can go. YEAH Clinton or Obama!

 

[rgraham666]

Fortunately there is no where that Bush or enthusiasts can go. YEAH Clinton or Obama!

If either of them gets the Democratic nod, I don't believe either of them will live until the election.

 

[lisa123414]

As a mother of sons, I can imagine there may be something akin to post traumatic stress syndrome that affects the families of persons killed in this war. I work with, and adore a man whose only son was killed in Iraq in December. That he can function at all is, to me, an amazing feat. Cindy Sheehan is most certainly out of her mind with grief over the loss of her son. I think such a loss would imbalance me. I resent her actions being labeled dumb.

 

[3113]

I resent her actions being labeled dumb.

I don't think her actions are dumb either. I think they're desperate. When a person sees a government body that they hoped would give them justice (the Dems) doing next to nothing, they will take whatever action left in protest.

Now *WISELY* this woman is not strapping a bomb to herself or getting out an assault rifle, which some really DUMB people would do in protest. Instead, she's making a statement. I sincerely doubt she expects impeachment to go ahead, or to win the election she'll use as her way of protesting, but she's making a point...and making it in a way that it is being HEARD, not ignored.

If enough people stand with her, the message will start to get through--tha people don't feel congress has done nearly enough to vent the displeasure of the American people at the way the war or country has been run, or to make amends for the wrongs done to those sacrificing so much for the war (and that's not just parents, children or spouses who have lost loved ones, but soldiers who have been wounded and not gotten proper medical treatment).

This, I believe, is why she's doing this, and while we can argue over whether or not it's a good or bad form of protest, that, in a nutshell, is what it is. It's neither insanity nor stupidity, it's grasping at ways to not be ignored and to be listened to.

 

[WRJames]

What would a successful Bush impeachment accomplish? Give us President Cheney?

 

[cloudy]

What would a successful Bush impeachment accomplish? Give us President Cheney?

I think that's the only reason someone hasn't tried to kill the stupid prick.

 

[flavortang]

What would a successful Bush impeachment accomplish? Give us President Cheney?

Didn't Cheney play the Emperor in the Star Wars movies? "Unlimited power!" I can so see him saying that.

 

[3113]

What would a successful Bush impeachment accomplish? Give us President Cheney?

It's doubtful that Bush would be impeached without Cheney as anything likely to impeach Bush would involve testimony of Cheney's wrong-doings as well. Hence, unless Congress impeached both simultaneously, you might get the Nixon situation with the VP leaving office for fear of ending up in jail if he stays, being replaced, and then the new VP ends up as president.

If both were impeached simultaneously, then Speaker of the House ends up as President.

 

[FifthFlower]

After reading the article, I like Cindy Sheehan. A lot.

 

[Edward Teach]

This is pretty dumb:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070708/ap_on_el_ho/cindy_sheehan_pelosi

For a couple reasons. There will be no attempt at impeachment; almost every member of Congress knows it would be a waste of everybody's time. Cindy Sheehan lives in Texas and the seat in question is in san Francisco, so she would not be eligible to run for office there. If she did move to SF and ran for the seat and somehow managed to win, which she wouldn't, she would be a very junior member of Congress, starting twenty days before the end of W's term.

At one time, as a Gold Star Mother, I could sympathize with the woman but thart was before she exhibited her goofiness.

Why is everybody dumb but the people who have fucked up every single thing they have touched?

Cheney lived in Texas but established residence in his former home state of Wyoming so that he could become VP. The President and VP cannot be from the same state.

Why can't Sheehan do it too?

 

[Boxlicker101]

Originally Posted by Boxlicker101
This is pretty dumb:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070708..._sheehan_pelosi

For a couple reasons. There will be no attempt at impeachment; almost every member of Congress knows it would be a waste of everybody's time. Cindy Sheehan lives in Texas and the seat in question is in san Francisco, so she would not be eligible to run for office there. If she did move to SF and ran for the seat and somehow managed to win, which she wouldn't, she would be a very junior member of Congress, starting twenty days before the end of W's term.

At one time, as a Gold Star Mother, I could sympathize with the woman but thart was before she exhibited her goofiness.

Why is everybody dumb but the people who have fucked up every single thing they have touched?

Cheney lived in Texas but established residence in his former home state of Wyoming so that he could become VP. The President and VP cannot be from the same state.

Why can't Sheehan do it too?

Actually, when I wrote that, I was under the impression she was from Texas. Instead, she is from Vacaville, CA, which is not that far from SF. I'm not sure what the residency requirements are, if there are any, but it would still be a waste of everybody's time, and it's not a very smart thing for her to say. There is no possibility of impeachment proceedings, for several reasons, but I don't think she will do as she says she will.

I believe the president and VP can be from the same state, but the circumstances would be very unusual.

 

[Edward Teach]

I believe the president and VP can be from the same state, but the circumstances would be very unusual.

I stand corrected, Box. The President and VP can be from the same state but that state's Electors can only vote for one of the two, making it very possible to have a President and VP from different parties. Therefore, parties always have the two from separate states.

 

[Boxlicker101]

I stand corrected, Box. The President and VP can be from the same state but that state's Electors can only vote for one of the two, making it very possible to have a President and VP from different parties. Therefore, parties always have the two from separate states.

I was thinking of having the VP die or resign or succeed the pres. as Ford did. The new pres. would then nominate a VP and it could be somebody from the president's home state. I don't believe there is anything in the law about that.

 

[jayce1066]

I stand corrected, Box. The President and VP can be from the same state but that state's Electors can only vote for one of the two, making it very possible to have a President and VP from different parties. Therefore, parties always have the two from separate states.

Actually the votes for President & VP are cast separately in the Electoral College.

In 48 states, the electors are chosen by their state political parties. Only if a remarkable number of them became "faithless electors" would a President and VP from different parties get elected.

 

[3113]

Actually the votes for President & VP are cast separately in the Electoral College.

In 48 states, the electors are chosen by their state political parties. Only if a remarkable number of them became "faithless electors" would a President and VP from different parties get elected.

This because the U.S. had such troubles in the early days when the V.P. was the "runner-up"--the guy voted in as "2nd place" president (and usually from the opposing party). Unlike runner-up in a Miss America contest the two were usually at each other's throats with the president treating the VP pretty shamefully. It became clear that making them from same party would be more effective all around.

 

[jayce1066]

Exactly right, 3113.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Even the merest gesture towards impeachment would relieve the worries of most of the rest of the world, who wonder why on earth the American people have let this nation turn into a bully and a laughingstock.

 

[Edward Teach]

Actually the votes for President & VP are cast separately in the Electoral College.

In 48 states, the electors are chosen by their state political parties. Only if a remarkable number of them became "faithless electors" would a President and VP from different parties get elected.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vice_President_of_the_United_States

The Constitution also prohibits electors from voting for both a presidential and vice presidential candidate from the same state as themselves. In theory, this might deny a vice presidential candidate with the most electoral votes the absolute majority required to secure election, even if the presidential candidate is elected, and place the vice presidential election in the hands of the Senate. In practice, this requirement is easily circumvented by having the candidate for vice president change the state of residency as was done by Dick Cheney, who changed his legal residency from Texas to Wyoming, his original home state, in order to run for election as vice president alongside George W. Bush, who was then the governor of Texas.

 

[rgraham666]

why on earth the American people have let this nation turn into a bully and a laughingstock.

I believe I can answer that one.

From Future: Tense by Gwynne Dyer.

The hardest Americans are going to have to do in this generation is to get used to the idea that the United States is just another country. Still a very big and powerful country, to be sure, but not the "indispensable nation", not a beacon of liberty shining into the darkness, and not the only great power that really matters.

Shrub appealed to the people who are very uncomfortable with this idea. He promised to restore America to the position of the only nation that matters.

As always, the harder you try to grip something, the more of it slips through your fingers.

 

[SlickTony]

It will be of no use to impeach Bush without also removing Iago and Mordred (Cheney & Rove).