This I have to see.

[ABSTRUSE]

No surprise that they see only what they want to see. It's actually somewhat canonical. See gospel of Mark, 14th chapter, garden of Gethsemane, the young "man" who had his robe pulled from him as he tried to escape, and fled NAKED.

So, why was he naked? Not so shockingly, or is it (depends on who's looking at it, myopic Christians who only see what they wish to see, or the possible facts), "The Secret Gospel of Mark" in one of it's chapters identifies (most likely since he is described in the same was clothes wise), as being with Jesus NAKED under his lone robe (gee, how'd either of the writers know the guy was nakey?). Oh, and uh, he spent the night.

Knowledge is the alchemy of change (if one wishes to be a little more than honest with their views).

I've missed you.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

No surprise that they see only what they want to see. It's actually somewhat canonical. See gospel of Mark, 14th chapter, garden of Gethsemane, the young "man" who had his robe pulled from him as he tried to escape, and fled NAKED.

So, why was he naked? Not so shockingly, or is it (depends on who's looking at it, myopic Christians who only see what they wish to see, or the possible facts), "The Secret Gospel of Mark" in one of it's chapters identifies (most likely since he is described in the same was clothes wise), as being with Jesus NAKED under his lone robe (gee, how'd either of the writers know the guy was nakey?). Oh, and uh, he spent the night.

Knowledge is the alchemy of change (if one wishes to be a little more than honest with their views).

Did they have underwear back then?

 

[mansome]

Did they have underwear back then?

No the magical underpants didn't come until the 1800's in America...

 

[mismused]

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[mismused]

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[Boxlicker101]

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Originally Posted by Boxlicker101
Actually, more wars have probably been started by those who are now described as pagans than by practitioners of either faith.


That is probably true, but irrelevent to the discussion at hand. Firstly, 'pagan' isn't a religion, it's a description of what a person is not: a pagan is not a member of the Judeo-Christian tradition—they could believe in any number of religions. Secondly, the issue isn't which religious group is responsible for the most wars, but which religious group is responsible for the most wars with a religious motivation. The winner of that dubious distinction is almost certainly Christianity, with Islam being the runner-up.

I was actually responding to a question asked by somebody else.

Essentially, I agree with you, except I believe Hindus and Buddhists and members of some other worldwide religions would also not be considered to be pagans. I suppose a "pagan" would be a believer in a pantheistic faith, rather than a monotheistic one. I don't know why that distinction should be made, but it sometimes is.

Few wars have ever been fought for a religious reason, although that was sometimes a factor and sometimes a pretext. The Spanish and Portuguese conquest in the Western Hemisphere were for the purpose of expanding power and increasing wealth, but their excesses were supported by the Catholic Church as a means of expanding the Church's own power. Most of the wars among European nations were monarchs or dictators wanting to expand their holdings, and the victims of the aggression were as likely to be of the same faith as the aggressor.

I will say that the early Muslim conquests were primarily religious wars. In particular, the attack by Medina against Mecca. To what degree Muhammed wanted to expand his personal power during the wars he started, as opposed to expanding his religion, is also a matter of conjecture, because the two were so closely related.

Maybe I should have been clearer as to what I meant by "forgiving". I think of not taking revenge for a fancied slight as being forgiving. Complaining is not revenge, but blowing up nightclubs or abortion clinics or hijacking airplanes and crashing them into buildings is.

 

[jomar]

and that is where snow comes from.

So, don't eat snow...period?

 

[3113]

On the other hand, the Da Vinci work is a portrayal of something that actually happened....2,000 years ago, Jews celebrated the Feast of Passover, and they still do. If Jesus actually existed, he and his followers would have done so. In other words, those who are true-beliving Christians consider "The Last Supper" to be a depiction of an actual event.

Hey! It just occurred to me. By this logic, since they found actual labyrinths on Crete, Theseus killing the minotaur could depict an actual event! Cool.