Things I used to know

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in the order that I stopped believing them:

- Carnival rides only seemed scary. The Tilt-A-Whirl wouldn't actually snap and hurl kids to their deaths.

- Okay, carnival rides might be risky but even the scariest roller coaster at Disney World was perfectly safe because their lawyers wouldn't have it any other way.

- If the nightly news showed a woman going into labor in the back seat of an abandoned car on a freeway where hundreds of people were slowly dying of dehydration, they'd be broadcasting from a third world country. Not an American city. People don't die of thirst a few city blocks from tourist bars that serve rum drinks in souvenir glasses the size of a man's boot.

- The cavalry always comes to the rescue.

- Dogs don't sweat.


I am writing this from a hotel near the decaying jungle compound, which has been without electricity or phone service since Hurricane Katrina made landfall in Miami as a a mere category one storm, which is an insultingly weak hurricane to cause so much inconvenience and discomfort.

I'd like to say I toughed it out for nearly a week before wasting money on a hotel room, but the truth is, the hotels didn't have electricity either or I'd have been here as soon as I learned that the power company wasn't promising my neighborhood anything until tomorrow night. Dogs might not sweat, but when we were without a/c, mine left a dog-shaped damp place on the tile whenever she found the energy to stand up. Maybe it wasn't sweat, but clear mildew.

The day Katrina left South Florida and began to pick up strength in the Gulf of Mexico, I was on the cell phone reassuring my mom that I was okay, and bitching about the heat and the spoiled food in the freezer, and the mosquitos and the downed trees. She mentiioned she'd had a call from her favorite cousin in Biloxi. The cousin who introduced my parents to each other, and whose husband died a year after my dad. We hoped my mom's cousin wouldn't lose her electricity when Katrina hit the gulf coast. She's in her eighties and lives alone; she calls my mom for moral support when her daughter and grandkids bug her to move to New Mexico so they can look after her. She loves her house and friends in Biloxi too much to move, and her husband is buried there; the kids don't understand how hard the change would be.

It's been a harder change than she expected, and it came out of the blue. I hope she's alive to know how bad it is, and mourn for what she's lost, and move on.

I read a letter to the editor in my complimentary copy of USA Today from some righteous ass in Ohio who implied that people who fail to evacuate from an approaching hurricane have no one but themselves to blame. Anyone who lives on the Gulf or Atlantic coast knows what an idiotic statement that is, even for storms that are tracked all the way from Africa. For every hit, there are half a dozen or more misses, and if we evacuated every time there was a hurricane watch or even a warning, we couldn't hold down jobs or send our kids to school. Add the complications of old age or poverty, and it's easy to understand how so many were trapped in Katrina's path.

What isn't easy to understand is why, when the Army Corps of Engineers knew that New Orleans' levee system was only rated to withstand a category 3 storm, the money was never spent to upgrade the system. Politicians who chose to spend the money elsewhere can call this disaster unpredictable until they turn blue. They can pretend there was no way to prevent it; people in the Netherlands know better.

What happened to New Orleans happened because somewhere in the budgeting process, the risk wasn't considered worth the expense. Denial is a powerful thing; how easy must it be to deny that a major city will disappear overnight because of something we failed to do?

Why the National Guard is on the other side of the planet instead of guarding the nation is another topic, and until the A/C in this hotel room cranks up sufficiently, even an unapologetic Bush Basher doesn't have the energy to get into it.

Here are two more things I used to know with absolute certainty:

- Respectable middle-class military widows with lovely old homes in Bible Belt towns don't disappear without a trace, when they were just on the phone with your mom a few hours before. This is America, home of Bellsouth and AT&T and the Red Cross and FEMA. We can't just lose people.

- Southern ladies like my mom's Biloxi cousin use so much White Rain Hair Spray, a strong wind doesn't phase them.


These were matters of faith. I'm just about out of it, but if she's alive, I hope my mother's favorite cousin is able to hang onto hers until help comes. Maybe the cavalry is on the way.

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shereads said:


Good God, I love your posts and humour, always. Sorry about the cousin and the hotel room, but one question: Why DO the phone lines never go dead under any circumstances, and why do people always find a way to get online, electricity or not? :|
 
CharleyH said:
Good God, I love your posts and humour, always. Sorry about the cousin and the hotel room, but one question: Why DO the phone lines never go dead under any circumstances, and why do people always find a way to get online, electricity or not? :|

The phone lines are dead in my 'hood until "maybe late September," according to Bellsouth. Even cell phones won't work if the towers are damaged.

The hotel has internet service. Thank God and the profit motive, or whatever inspires the phone company to repair business lines first.

:rolleyes:

Thought for the day: Alarmists are right. That's why people dislike them so much.
 
What a wonderful post. You're a real correspondent.
 
shereads said:
Thought for the day: Alarmists are right. That's why people dislike them so much.


Or: "It wouldn't suprise me a bit if it did." -- James Thurber, Fables For Our Time
 
Sub Joe said:
Or: "It wouldn't suprise me a bit if it did." -- James Thurber, Fables For Our Time

Hi Joe! I'm on 11 percent battery power now so I won't have time to post those new pictures of my brea
 
oh God Sher. my most positive energy for the family and everyone missing in this awful thing.

It's right in my backyard, my city is filled with refugees. this thing is impossible to ignore. anyone who can, should be helping.

:rose:
 
Great to hear from you, shereads.


:rose: :rose: :rose:

Hold them together in your fist, waving them back and forth in front of your face, until the A/C takes over.
 
Telephone service

I don't know about the arrangements in the US, but in the UK landline telephones run on a very low voltage and have battery back up in large Leclanche cells in telephone exchanges and generators arranged to cut in when mains power goes down.

Most exchanges can stand a 4 hour power outage without engineer assistance. Some can survive 24 hours. In that time engineers can get the standby generators working or even provide a mobile telephone exchange to replace one that has been destroyed.

Mobile phones are much more vulnerable to power outages and to overload of the system in an emergency.

Telephone communications are an essential part of disaster recovery.

Og
 
oggbashan said:
I don't know about the arrangements in the US, but in the UK landline telephones run on a very low voltage and have battery back up in large Leclanche cells in telephone exchanges and generators arranged to cut in when mains power goes down.

Most exchanges can stand a 4 hour power outage without engineer assistance. Some can survive 24 hours. In that time engineers can get the standby generators working or even provide a mobile telephone exchange to replace one that has been destroyed.

Mobile phones are much more vulnerable to power outages and to overload of the system in an emergency.

Telephone communications are an essential part of disaster recovery.

Og

The problem is the actual poles in many cases. THe lines for phone run along the same poles the elctric does, when those are snapped, the lines are down. In the gulf right now the problem is there is nothing. No anything. All that is left are slabs the houses were built on, no lines, no boxes, no phone building, no switches, no nothing. There are no exhanges (or pops over here) they just aren't there in many cases after this storm went through.

Phone technology between the UK and the US is actually very similar, there are backups and MANY times during a power outage phones work fine. Last major outage here where I live, we had phone the entire 12 hours we were without power.

Just these storms destroy the mostly above ground lines. I believe in FL and other gulf areas is is not as possible to bury wire due to the water table, but I could be wrong on that.

-Alex
 
I'm so glad you are safe, sweets! Thanks for letting us know you're ok.

I'll be thinking about all of the hair-sprayed ladies of Biloxi.


:rose: :heart: :kiss:
 
Hugs, Darlin' glad you made it through. I'll keep a good thought for you and yours.

:kiss:
 
Alex756 said:
The problem is the actual poles in many cases. THe lines for phone run along the same poles the elctric does, when those are snapped, the lines are down. In the gulf right now the problem is there is nothing. No anything. All that is left are slabs the houses were built on, no lines, no boxes, no phone building, no switches, no nothing. There are no exhanges (or pops over here) they just aren't there in many cases after this storm went through.

Phone technology between the UK and the US is actually very similar, there are backups and MANY times during a power outage phones work fine. Last major outage here where I live, we had phone the entire 12 hours we were without power.

Just these storms destroy the mostly above ground lines. I believe in FL and other gulf areas is is not as possible to bury wire due to the water table, but I could be wrong on that.

-Alex

Most trunk (long distance) telephone routes in the UK are buried. New houses have telephone wire brought in to the house underground. The cables might be sitting in water but that doesn't matter. We have had telegraph and telephone cables across the Atlantic since the 1860s. The difference between an overhead telephone (or power) line and an underground one is COST. If it is cheaper in the long term to bury cables then they will be buried. Unfortunately company accountants don't seem capable of working out capital costs for longer than 3 years.

Og
 
oggbashan said:
Most trunk (long distance) telephone routes in the UK are buried. New houses have telephone wire brought in to the house underground. The cables might be sitting in water but that doesn't matter. We have had telegraph and telephone cables across the Atlantic since the 1860s. The difference between an overhead telephone (or power) line and an underground one is COST. If it is cheaper in the long term to bury cables then they will be buried. Unfortunately company accountants don't seem capable of working out capital costs for longer than 3 years.

Og

Actually in some areas affected the WATER TABLE is the problem. You can't burry things at all becasue they will be in saturated ground.

Plus we are dealing with MUCH greater distances than found in the UK, and alot of these sytems are very old. I live in a 1980s subdivision at 200 feet above ground level. My phone and electric is underground. But when I go to chincoteague island, older and feet above sea level, everything has to be above ground.

So honestly I am not sure how much of this is cost and how much is engineering.

-Alex
 
Alex756 said:
Actually in some areas affected the WATER TABLE is the problem. You can't burry things at all becasue they will be in saturated ground.

Plus we are dealing with MUCH greater distances than found in the UK, and alot of these sytems are very old. I live in a 1980s subdivision at 200 feet above ground level. My phone and electric is underground. But when I go to chincoteague island, older and feet above sea level, everything has to be above ground.

So honestly I am not sure how much of this is cost and how much is engineering.

-Alex

It's all about cost. In the UK we have been burying telegraph and telephone cables below the water table for 150 years. We were laying wires under rivers in the 1870s. The engineering solutions were devised in the 1860s. Since the 1950s, molelaying, pulling a cable into the ground by plough behind a tractor, has been cheaper and quicker than overhead lines. In the UK we were doing that with steam traction engines in the 1880s. Now it can be done with a pickup truck because fibre optics have made high capacity telephone cables much lighter and more flexible.

Electricity power cables have different problems because of heat generated by the current. There is a solution - at a cost.

Og
 
mismused said:
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Since 2002, the Times-Picayune has published no less than nine stories reporting that the combination of tax cuts, the war in Iraq and the demands of homeland security had led President Bush's administration to repeatedly reject urgent requests from the Army Corps of Engineers, and Louisiana's congressional delegation that it allocate the money to save New Orleans.(Italics mine)

* * *

That's the story I read. True? Probably.

Yeah. I saw one of the authors of those articles on CNN. They knew what the dangers were, and they knew what they had to do to fix them. They just didn't get the money.

Last year they asked for $41 million to enhance the levees. They got $3 million.
 
dr_mabeuse said:
Yeah. I saw one of the authors of those articles on CNN. They knew what the dangers were, and they knew what they had to do to fix them. They just didn't get the money.

Last year they asked for $41 million to enhance the levees. They got $3 million.

We had river floods a couple of years ago in Southern England. They were nothing like NO but in almost every place that was flooded the funding for essential repairs to the flood defences had been cut back for years. Even after the floods the funding is still less than what is considered to be the absolute minimum.

The same situation occurs elsewhere in the UK. Only now is the government suggesting that it MIGHT NOT be appropriate to build on flood plains. What about the tens of thousands of houses built on flood plains in the last 30 years? Sorry. No money to protect them. The buyer must beware and if they bought, they bought in the knowledge that it was a flood plain. Did they? The government agency wouldn't let City Hall stop the developer from building on a swamp because there was no record of any financial loss from flooding in that area. Of course there wasn't - when it was a swamp and our ancestors knew better than to build on it.

One of our prime executive housing estates is built on land that the locals know floods once every ten years or so. The developers landscaped it with ornamental lakes - to take the flood water when it comes. The lakes aren't big enough for that. What will happen when the flood comes? The developers will have moved on and their guarantee will have lapsed. There was an archaelogical survey of the site before the building started. The archaeologists found evidence of a Bronze Age village, poorly built by incompetent workmen. It was abandoned after a couple of years BECAUSE OF FLOODING!! The executive houses were still built and sold. What did they call it? ***** (deleted)waters. How cynical can you get?

Og
 
Alex756 said:
I believe in FL and other gulf areas is is not as possible to bury wire due to the water table, but I could be wrong on that.

-Alex
You are correct. Geologically, Florida is a big sandbar.
 
Cousin in Biloxi is okay. White Rain Hair Spray rules!

Thanks again to Al Gore for inventing the internet. Googling one of the dozens of survivor-search message boards, I found my mother's cousin listed among 236 with the same last name, including a dozen or so in Biloxi.

She's fine. In fact, her house has very little damage.

Her large, permanent-waved Southern hair has been taken into protective custody by the Pentagon, who apparently didn't know about White Rain Hair Spray.
 
cantdog said:
You are correct. Geologically, Florida is a big sandbar.

Try digging a flower bed in Coconut Grove, Florida. You will need a pick-axe. That's not sand, my friend. It's limestone. Sand is the stuff we taxpayers dredge up from the seafloor every few years for the "beach renourishment" projects that are necessary to undo the erosion caused by dredging sand from the seafloor.

:cool:

Next question? I have air conditioning. I am all-powerful.
 
shereads said:
Thanks again to Al Gore for inventing the internet. Googling one of the dozens of survivor-search message boards, I found my mother's cousin listed among 236 with the same last name, including a dozen or so in Biloxi.

She's fine. In fact, her house has very little damage.

Her large, permanent-waved Southern hair has been taken into protective custody by the Pentagon, who apparently didn't know about White Rain Hair Spray.


Hugs to all! Hurray for White Rain!

:heart:

Welcome back.
 
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