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[jaF0]

California

Californians Told Not to Charge Electric Cars Days After Gas Car Sales Ban​

The California Air Resources Board recently approved a rule to require all new cars sold in California to be free of greenhouse gas emissions by 2035.



They want to force people into buzzmobiles, but they don't want to let them get their buzz juice?

 

[ll74]

As long as the electricity restrictions don't last until 2035, they should be good.

 

[oggbashan]

I raised the problem of the UK's energy distribution network with my MP a year ago. He raised it in the House of Commons.

Basically both of us were saying that if we move to electric cars, we need to provide MORE electricity and a much more secure distribution network. We got the usual mealy-mouthed answers 'We are aware of the problem and are working to solve it - by 2030!'

 

[ll74]

I raised the problem of the UK's energy distribution network with my MP a year ago. He raised it in the House of Commons.

Basically both of us were saying that if we move to electric cars, we need to provide MORE electricity and a much more secure distribution network. We got the usual mealy-mouthed answers 'We are aware of the problem and are working to solve it - by 2030!'

Electricity grids need to be smarter. That investment is huge, but will address a huge bottleneck to getting to where we all want to be

 

[oggbashan]

Electricity grids need to be smarter. That investment is huge, but will address a huge bottleneck to getting to where we all want to be

Loc ally, we have no problem. We had a substantial grid that took electricity from a now closed and demolished oil-fired power station.

Despite protests from NIMBYs we now have in addition a new much larger set of pylons to take electricity from our large solar and offshore wind farms (and a small biogas plant).


The solar and wind farms produce enough electricity for peak demand in our half of the county and enough to power a quarter of London as well - when the sun shines and the wind blows. I think the wind farm has only had two days in the last two years when there wasn't enough wind to generate power.

 

[AlexBailey]

Don’t get all worked up.

I just heard the official request on the radio. They’re saying to avoid large electrical loads during the hours of peak demand - which is typically 4: pm to 8: pm

Charge you car during off-peak hours. Many car chargers can automatically be programmed to only charge during the cheapest and easiest time for the grid.

Chill your histrionics.

 

[ll74]

Loc ally, we have no problem. We had a substantial grid that took electricity from a now closed and demolished oil-fired power station.

Despite protests from NIMBYs we now have in addition a new much larger set of pylons to take electricity from our large solar and offshore wind farms (and a small biogas plant).


The solar and wind farms produce enough electricity for peak demand in our half of the county and enough to power a quarter of London as well - when the sun shines and the wind blows. I think the wind farm has only had two days in the last two years when there wasn't enough wind to generate power.

Absolutely. Green energy can supply enough energy..... the limitations are always about a grid not built for it

 

[oggbashan]

Absolutely. Green energy can supply enough energy..... the limitations are always about a grid not built for it

But what it can't do is respond quickly to a surge in demand. For that, we need nuclear or gas-powered plants.

A UK politician came up with a stupid idea - use the electric cars being charged as storage batteries for peaks in demand. Car owners will be really pleased in the morning to find that their cars, instead of being charged ready for use, have totally flat batteries because they have been feeding the National Grid.

 

[AlexBailey]

Absolutely. Green energy can supply enough energy..... the limitations are always about a grid not built for it

There are plenty of ways to store renewable energy for later use on the electrical grid. The problem is that there isn’t much incentive for for-profit utilities to do anything to reduce the cost of electricity.

Check this out, it’s multi gigawatthour storage facility made with off-the shelf technology, zero emissions, zero pollution:

https://www.gravitypower.net/

 

[ll74]

There are plenty of ways to store renewable energy for later use on the electrical grid. The problem is that there isn’t much incentive for for-profit utilities to do anything to reduce the cost of electricity.

Check this out, it’s multi gigawatthour storage facility made with off-the shelf technology, zero emissions, zero pollution:

https://www.gravitypower.net/

There aren't many mechanisms for store and forward energy either

 

[AlexBailey]

But what it can't do is respond quickly to a surge in demand. For that we need nuclear or gas powered plants.

Gravity storage is fast and reliable.

Have you heard of the Denorwig power station?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinorwig_Power_Station

 

[AlexBailey]

Ch

There aren't many mechanisms for store and forward energy either

Check out that link.



There are ways to store more than enough. It’s just a matter of effort and priorities.

 

[oggbashan]

Gravity storage is fast and reliable.

Have you heard of the Denorwig power station?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinorwig_Power_Station

Yes. It's great but its maximum output is not great. In the UK we don't have enough suitable sites and Dinorwig was faced with massive protests before it was built.

 

[ll74]

Ch


Check out that link.



There are ways to store more than enough. It’s just a matter of effort and priorities.

Thank you for posting it

 

[AlexBailey]

Yes. It's great but its maximum output is not massive. In the UK we don't have enough suitable sites and Dinorwig was faced with massive protests before it was built.

Dinorwig is a prof of concept for pumped water energy storage. It can ramp up from 0 watts to 1.8 gigawatts in a few seconds.

The design described at gravitypower.net does not require the land area and surface water that Dinorwig uses, a multi-GW plant can be built on only a few acres and will operate almost silently and with no exhaust.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Dinorwig is a prof of concept for pumped water energy storage. It can ramp up from 0 watts to 1.8 gigawatts in a few seconds.

The design described at gravitypower.net does not require the land area and surface water that Dinorwig uses, a multi-GW plant can be built on only a few acres and will operate almost silently and with no exhaust.

Alex, while pumped storage is an excellent method, it has limitations. A better system (IMHO) is CAES. Compressed air.
It can use a smaller footprint, be built anywhere, though natural features such as caves make it cheaper. ( check it out on Wiki, lots of links to existing plants)

Moving into a renewable energy future, I suspect there will be many types used, and new ones, not yet thought of.

 

[AlexBailey]

Alex, while pumped storage is an excellent method, it has limitations. A better system (IMHO) is CAES. Compressed air.
It can use a smaller footprint, be built anywhere, though natural features such as caves make it cheaper. ( check it out on Wiki, lots of links to existing plants)

Moving into a renewable energy future, I suspect there will be many types used, and new ones, not yet thought of.

You haven’t checked out gravitypower.net ?

Compressed air has some usefulness, especially needs for instant surge/switching capacity

 

[oggbashan]

Batteries that can be used by homeowners would be the ideal solution but those that currently exist are too small and very expensive.

 

[oggbashan]

You haven’t checked out gravitypower.net

Compressed air has some usefulness, especially needs for instant surge/switching capacity

I have. It reminds me of the old gas storage cylinders.

100 meters across is large. Finding UK sites could be difficult. But it is a possibility along with other methods.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

You haven’t checked out gravitystorage.net

The site, no I haven't. I tend to deal with the IESO directly in Ontario, and work on developing systems that will fit into the current grid, in the limits of affordability.

Pumped storage systems though are all pretty much the same, either use water to lift a mass, that will compress and move the water later, or pump the water up, store it there, and let is flow down later. The issue with pumped water, is more of a climate concern. In my neck of the woods, water tends to freeze for 5 months of the year. Air on the other hand works in all temperatures...

 

[AlexBailey]

I have. It reminds me of the old gas storage cylinders.

100 meters across is large. Finding UK sites could be difficult. But it is a possibility along with other methods.

Lol. I was thinking the same thing about the old gas cylinders.

The piston bore works best if it’s in rock, and digging the bore will produce marketable material. Electric powered mining equipment is already available….

 

[AlexBailey]

The site, no I haven't. I tend to deal with the IESO directly in Ontario, and work on developing systems that will fit into the current grid, in the limits of affordability.

Pumped storage systems though are all pretty much the same, either use water to lift a mass, that will compress and move the water later, or pump the water up, store it there, and let is flow down later. The issue with pumped water, is more of a climate concern. In my neck of the woods, water tends to freeze for 5 months of the year. Air on the other hand works in all temperatures...

Lol. Check the site. It’s all underground. It could be in your neighborhood and once it’s built you wouldn’t know it.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

Lol. Check the site. It’s all underground. It could be in your neighborhood and once it’s built you wouldn’t know it.

CAES is also all underground, or it could be above ( though from a cost/benefit analysis being above ground is a negative due to the cooling requirements), and again it is the same, once built, you'd have no idea of the unseen portions.

I am sure in the future there will be a multitude of systems built. That is the economic key....lots to build, lots to design, lots of money to be earned....

 

[jaF0]

Generation, storage, capacity ..... blah, blah, blah ... none of it means squat when trees fall on lines or towers come down in winds or people use more than is available and crash the grids

Much of the city of Detroit and surrounding metro area has been dark for a day or more and may be for several more days.

What do they do, open a bunch of air valves to blow the power lines back up on the poles? Or maybe they can look up and yell 'gravity!!!!!'

Some of you fucking people are just too goddamned stupid to be breathing. Do you have someone walk along beside you to tell you which foot to move next?

 

[AlexBailey]

Generation, storage, capacity ..... blah, blah, blah ... none of it means squat when trees fall on lines or towers come down in winds or people use more than is available and crash the grids

Much of the city of Detroit and surrounding metro area has been dark for a day or more and may be for several more days.

What do they do, open a bunch of air valves to blow the power lines back up on the poles? Or maybe they can look up and yell 'gravity!!!!!'

Some of you fucking people are just too goddamned stupid to be breathing. Do you have someone walk along beside you to tell you which foot to move next?

Okay, breathe. Yes, transmission lines can be damaged.

Have you tried to get gas when the grid is down? In large scale emergencies that knock out the grid banking systems are often unavailable also.

If you have the resources and foresight you can prepare. I know many people who are off-grid who charge EVs from their system. They don’t even know if the grid is down unless they go into town.

If you don’t have the resources you’re just as fucked as anyone else.

Why the whine?