There Will be War – Japan vs. Russia.

Ishmael

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There Will be War – Japan vs. Russia.

History:

Tensions and conflicts between Russia and Japan go back over a hundred years. The roots are to be found in the Sino-Japanese war of 1894-95. At the end of this conflict China deeded Japan rights to Korea and portions of Manchuria. Of singular interest was the port of Lu-shun on the tip of the Liaotung peninsula. Russia was beginning a program of Imperialist expansion into the far east and in 1896 bullied China into deeding Russia the same territories that China had previously deeded Japan. Russia further coerced China into signing an alliance treaty against Japan. Russian troops occupied the port of Lu-shun (Port Arthur) that same year. Thus began the Japan-Russia war. Japan was victorious in this venture. Halting Russian expansion into the far east and producing the first victory of an Asian power over a European power. Russia did, however, retain eastern Siberia.

The Second World War in Asia began with the Japanese invasion of China and Manchuria. Three days before the Japanese surrendered unconditionally, Russia declared war against the Japanese. The prize they were given for becoming our ‘ally’ was Sakhalin Island. This is an open wound to the Japanese and an embarrassment to the United States and our other WWII allies.

The Scenario:

Japans era of post war prosperity is over. Japan excelled at the importation’s of raw materials and the processing of same into finished goods that were then sold to the west, primarily the United States. Their labor cost advantage allowed them to do so, even though all of the raw materials had to be purchased on the open market and imported. As Japanese prosperity grew, so did their labor costs. Japan lost it’s competitive edge in the 1980’s. Momentum carried them into the ‘90s.

The Japanese banking system is on its knee’s and there is little political stability in the country. With one government being formed after another. Further, there is no prospect for a brighter future. Japan now has to export industry and jobs in order to maintain its manufacturing capabilities.

There is a source of relief for Japan. The invasion of and occupation of the worlds last vast untapped reserve of natural resources, Eastern Siberia. As the Japanese can not realistically reduce the wages and the standard of living for it’s peoples. The next best thing is a source of wholly owned, cheap, and available raw materials to offset the labor costs.

Political Considerations:

While Japan doesn’t have a historical claim to the area, neither do the Russians. The Russians represent an occupying force to the indigenous peoples. While the Japanese would just be another occupying force, their rational, and justified, is that the peoples of eastern Siberia are Asian, not Slavic.

The long standing tension between Russia and Japan over Sakhalin Island could be leveraged into the required “flash point”.

Military:

The Russian Far East command is in shambles. The Pacific fleet is tied up at the quays rusting. The troops that are stationed in the Far East are strung out along the Chinese border. Postured in precisely the wrong direction.

The Japanese are militarily stronger than the Russians in the region. Japan has modernized her Air Force and Navy. The new Konga class destroyers are actually more capable than our Arliegh Burke class and almost the equal of our Vincennes class cruisers. Japan also has a quite capable and modern submarine fleet.

Russia’s logistic train is horrendously long. Japan’s ability to transport, re-supply, and support their troops is trivial compared to the obstacles Russia will face.

The wild card is the nuclear advantage that the Russians hold. But this is a paper advantage only and a dedicated Japan could produce nuclear weapons in short order with a focused political leadership. The technology and tools exist. They have the reactors, and their space program has given them the equivalent of an ICBM. So the launch vehicles already exist. The only thing that Japan needs to become a nuclear power with inter-continental delivery capability is the warhead. A crash program could produce one in less than two years. This would effectively cancel Russia’s only trump card.

Probabilities:

Over the next ten years the probability of this war erupting is on the order of 10%. The chances will increase dramatically should the Japanese people find a newfound sense of nationalism and elect either an extreme right wing or left wing government. An extreme swing in Japanese politics will be the precursor for an increase in the probability of this war breaking out. Should that occur, the probability could go as high as 50%.

Ramifications:

This is a very tough scenario for all of the world powers. Although Japan is considered an Ally, the nations of the world cannot condone such naked aggression. Further, Russia requires the resources to develop it’s own economy thereby reducing the risk of their having to use any of their nuclear capability. A paranoid Russia is NOT what the world needs. The Chinese have a stake in this as well. They have long considered Eastern Siberia as their own territory. This scenario has all the required elements to fire off the first shots of WWIII

Ishmael

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Link to the prologue:

https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=148805&perpage=10&pagenumber=1
 
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They better attack fast while
1). Russia is still there or
2). Before ANY MORE Chinese become firmly entrenched or
3). Before the Chinese invade first.
 
Pore Japanese still want the Sakhalin back ...Russia is a land grabber. If it takes land there is no way it is giving it back
 
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Many good points here ...

Prior to Pearl Harbor and WWII, most of the negotiations between the U.S. and Japan had to do with us turning a blind eye to their invasion of French-Indochina, and staying out of their way in Asia and Southeast Asia and the Pacific.

Japan recognized early in the last century they didn't have the resources to keep up with their developing industrial machine and that China and/or Russia could provide some of those resources. They hung back during the fighting between Germany and Russia, even when their ally (Germany) was getting it's ass kicked on the Russian front. I've seen it speculated they hoped Germany would do most of the dirty work and they would hop in the fighting just in time to be given some of the spoils of war. Mostly,as you said, Manchuria.
 
O yeah like taht would be a good fight...

Russias 10 million plus soldiers.. against Japans what maybe a mill...

Alright lets go..
 
Russia doesn't stand a chance. Japanese will just bribe them not to shoot and go back home :)
 
DarkAngel said:
O yeah like taht would be a good fight...

Russias 10 million plus soldiers.. against Japans what maybe a mill...

Alright lets go..
Yeah, but the Japanese have 70 million golf clubs and aren't afraid of using them....
 
DarkAngel said:
O yeah like taht would be a good fight...

Russias 10 million plus soldiers.. against Japans what maybe a mill...

Alright lets go..

First of all, Russia no longer has the 10 million soldiers. But for the sake of debate, I'll grant you that they do.

There's one problem with all those numbers. They're in the wrong place. And I doubt that Japan would send Moscow a communique stating, "We plan on invading Siberia. We'll give you 6 months to move all your troops and supplies so you can kick our ass."

The Japanese would immediately establish air dominance over the area. If the Russians cannot contest the air war, they will not be able to move troops. The Japanese have all of the same weapons that we used in Desert Storm, and a few of their own design. You saw what happened to any troops that tried to move in Desert Storm?

The key to the battle over Siberia will be the air war. Whoever wins that air war should have no trouble holding the territory.

Ishmael
 
Mad_Jack_Rabbit said:
Russia doesn't stand a chance. Japanese will just bribe them not to shoot and go back home :)

Don't underestimate russians ... germans made that mistake twice
 
*goddess*emi* said:
Many good points here ...

Prior to Pearl Harbor and WWII, most of the negotiations between the U.S. and Japan had to do with us turning a blind eye to their invasion of French-Indochina, and staying out of their way in Asia and Southeast Asia and the Pacific.

Japan recognized early in the last century they didn't have the resources to keep up with their developing industrial machine and that China and/or Russia could provide some of those resources. They hung back during the fighting between Germany and Russia, even when their ally (Germany) was getting it's ass kicked on the Russian front. I've seen it speculated they hoped Germany would do most of the dirty work and they would hop in the fighting just in time to be given some of the spoils of war. Mostly,as you said, Manchuria.

Yep, and they lost that bet. And Sakhalin along with it.

They aren't all that happy about our being on Okinawa either.

Ishmael
 
Coolville said:
Yeah, but the Japanese have 70 million golf clubs and aren't afraid of using them....
not to mention they make a damn fine car.


The bottom line, the current American admins fool-hearty plans to "distribute democracy" by so called pre-emptive first strikes will lead to chaos. Look for India to start seriously fucking with Pakistan over the next few weeks. Dubya will be the one that gives them validation for such actions.

As a father, yes I am worried.
 
Zmey said:
Don't underestimate russians ... germans made that mistake twice

Eastern Siberia is not "Mother Russia". I don't think the Japanese would have their eyes turned towards Moscow or the vicinity.

Ishmael
 
As I've said russians are very territorial and not giving a square meter with out a fight
 
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As for one thing..

The Russian Mig, is feared in the skies.. this is not the 1940's..
 
brokenbrainwave said:
not to mention they make a damn fine car.


The bottom line, the current American admins fool-hearty plans to "distribute democracy" by so called pre-emptive first strikes will lead to chaos. Look for India to start seriously fucking with Pakistan over the next few weeks. Dubya will be the one that gives them validation for such actions.

As a father, yes I am worried.

As a father, living in a peace-loving country, I'm not worried for my family's safety. But I am worried about the civilians who are always first in the line of fire.

Medecins sans frontieres and other aid agencies estimate that between 30,000 and 40,000 civilians will die in an American attack on Iraq.
 
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What fucking drugs is this cunt on?

WWW3?

I guy named George W Bush is about to start that fuckwitt.

Japan, Russia?

Let's see what happens when US planes or Tomahawks do a pre-emptive on the North Korean reactors that are working overtime right now to produce more nukes.

I am sure Russia and China will suddenly keep their interests in the region in tact, and support the North Korean invasion of the South.

But who started it?

Mr. Axis of Evil himself.

Fuck up Ishfuck. You are in need of sedation.
 
Coolville said:
As a father, living in a peace-loving country, I'm not worried for my family's safety. But I am worried about the civilians who are always first in the line of fire.

Medecins sans frontieres and other aid agencies estimate that between 30,000 and 40,000 civilians will die in an American attack on Iraq.
I've seen you use similar stats and while alarming, I would say that is a very closed minded approach. Of much more concern, even in peace loving countries are the ramifications of the Bush adminstration actions.
I have not a problem is saying or thinking Saddam needs to go bye bye and collect his 11 virgins in the clouds. It is more than obvious he is amassing WMD's. However, where will Bush stop if successful in ridding Iraq of this madman? With North Korea also in his crosshairs, Pakistan and India on the brink, and a seemingly itchy trigger finger, where is he going to stop?

BTW, was not Hitler loved by his country? Now, am I comparing the two, yes I am a little. Both wanted world domination. The jury is quickly reaching a verdict in the Bush case on these charges.
 
I believe that the Japanese have language in their constitution that forbids the use of military unless attacked by an outside force. They had to pass a resolution to participate in the Gulf War.
 
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Kuntmode said:
What fucking drugs is this cunt on?

WWW3?

I guy named George W Bush is about to start that fuckwitt.

Japan, Russia?

Let's see what happens when US planes or Tomahawks do a pre-emptive on the North Korean reactors that are working overtime right now to produce more nukes.

I am sure Russia and China will suddenly keep their interests in the region in tact, and support the North Korean invasion of the South.

But who started it?

Mr. Axis of Evil himself.

Fuck up Ishfuck. You are in need of sedation.

Ahhhhh, another ignorant dick lick joins the party. Go back to picking on Hanns. You two have so much in common. Class, wisdom, so swave and deboner you two are.

You're back on ignore also. :)

Ishmael
 
bknight2602 said:
I believe that the Japanese have language in their constitution that forbids the use of military unless attacked by an outside force. They had to pass a resolution to participate in the Gulf War.

They sure do. And as you pointed out, it can be changed. Go back and read the political perequisites for this scenario.

Ishmael
 
bknight2602 said:
I believe that the Japanese have language in their constitution that forbids the use of military unless attacked by an outside force. They had to pass a resolution to participate in the Gulf War.

Smart people.
 
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