There will be War – Bolivia vs Chile

Ishmael

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There will be War – Bolivia vs Chile

History:

In 1879 the War of the Pacific started. The beginning of the war was a simple event. Bolivia rescinded a mining contract held by a Chilean company. Chile declared war and invaded Bolivia. Peru had an alliance in place with Bolivia and came to her aid. The war ended in 1894 when Chilean forces captured the Peruvian capital of Lima. Chile annexed the Bolivian province of Atacama and with it Bolivia’s only port on the Pacific, Antofagasta. This left Bolivia a landlocked nation. Chile also seized Peruvian territories but returned those territories to Peru in 1989.

Current:

Bolivia is nominally a Republic. It is the poorest nation in South America with the deep social unrest the goes with abject poverty. It is also the 3rd largest supplier of cocoa in the world. Using Columbia and Peru as Trans-shipment points. Efforts to convert the farmers to other crops have been hit or miss. As long as there is a large market for cocaine Bolivia will continue to grow the crops. There are active anti-government forces in play here, a local version of the Maoist revolutionaries, ‘The Shining Path’ being the most active. The government is attempting progressive measures but is barely keeping even with the narco-terrorism and the effects of the worlds economy on the local economy. Like most South American countries, there is a history of government instability. The Bolivian government has changed via being overthrown 200 times since the founding of the nation in 1825.

All bulk goods that enter or exit Bolivia must traverse either Peruvian or Chilean territories leaving Bolivia’s economy held by the throat by the other two nations.

Bolivia has demanded the return of it’s territory and a corridor to its former port city. Formal complaints have been lodged against Chile in the world court and the UN. So far no action has been taken. The current government appears to be prone to pursuit the matter before world organizations.

The scenario:

Following a violent overthrow of the current government, Bolivia embarks on a military build up. The goal being to forcefully recover the territory lost and an access to a Pacific port. This would entail a quick strike into the atacama region (now named Antofagasta) with a defense in depth set up along a line connecting Pisaqua, Tana, and Camina.

Depending on the government formed this has the possibility of either failure, or the involvement of other major nations.

Should the coup be of a right wing military nature, the effort will probably fail. Even though Bolivia has a Navy, it has no men-of-war. It’s navy exists on paper, after all, it is a landlocked nation. Chile has a real Navy and would be able to use it’s sea power to effectively blockade the ports taken by Bolivia and land troops at will anywhere along the coastline leaving Bolivia’s Army subject to being flanked and enveloped.

However, a take over by a Maoist regime might have quite different results. A natural alliance with China would form. With the support of the Chinese it is very likely that the Bolivians may prevail. Although China’s blue water Navy is not world class, it is more than a match for the Chilean Navy. The cost to Bolivia for this help would be port privileges. China would dearly love to have a friendly port for her Naval vessels on this side of the Pacific. This would provoke the intervention of the United States and cause a confrontation between the US and China.

Even the actions of small nations can start big wars.

Probabilities:

Less than 3% probability if the current government stays in power. This number jumps to 50% if there is a coup and the current government is overthrown. The probability of a confrontation between the US and China is solely dependent on the make up of the ‘overthrowers’. The military has the guns right now, but the Maoists are making a lot of money in the cocaine trade.

Ishmael
 
This can all be settled with a Soccer game. Less violence that way.
 
SINthysist said:
3 to 1 CNN mails it in...

I knew this one wouldn't draw a crowd. No one gives a shit about South America anyway. :D

Ishmael
 
Ishmael said:
I knew this one wouldn't draw a crowd. No one gives a shit about South America anyway. :D

Ishmael

It's that "Western Hemisphere Bias".
 
When's Quebec V Canada coming Ish?

That'll generate some excitement!

Whooo boy guuuuuuaaaarrrrrraaaaannnnttttteeeeeeeeeeee.....
 
sexy-girl said:
i was actually going to go to chile and bolivia in jan :)

Finally find a place with a favorable exchange rate with the Euro?
 
SINthysist said:
When's Quebec V Canada coming Ish?

That'll generate some excitement!

Whooo boy guuuuuuaaaarrrrrraaaaannnnttttteeeeeeeeeeee.....

LOL I'll get there but the odds on that one keep dropping. During the last round of ''seperatist' none-sense all of the idiots saw the American business's quietly pack up and move to Vermont, while the Canadian companies packed up and moved to Ontario. It finally dawned on the stupid fucks that they might have their own country, but they'd be unemployed.

Ishmael
 
LOL - Well, I'll back off that one in the betting pool.

Poor French.

Fawked by Capitalism again!
 
sexy-girl said:
i was actually going to go to chile and bolivia in jan :)

Make sure you have "I'm British" stamped on all your clothing. There's still some kidnapping activity in both countries.

Ishmael
 
SINthysist said:
LOL - Well, I'll back off that one in the betting pool.

Poor French.

Fawked by Capitalism again!

They talked about developing their natural resources though. Moose I think it was.

Ishmael
 
Ishmael said:
They talked about developing their natural resources though. Moose I think it was.

Ishmael

Now you people have done it. I can't get visions of coke-crazed moose being used as mounts for Bolivian calvary soldiers. Stemming, of course, from the Quebec/Boliva alliance making Quebec the largest exporter of Bolivian cocoa and Bolivia the largest exporter of Quebecian farm raised moose....or would that be meese...mooses??

:D
 
Given the massive leftist riots in Bolivia the past week and an half, and the timing of this thread. Well?

Ishmael
 
I knew this one wouldn't draw a crowd. No one gives a shit about South America anyway.

Its just the nations involved in this scenario are too insignificant on a global scale and their respective militaries too small for it to destabilize the region. Therefore, no one other than Bolivians and people from Chile would give a shit either way what happened, they are both two bantamweights.
 
Frimost said:
Its just the nations involved in this scenario are too insignificant on a global scale and their respective militaries too small for it to destabilize the region. Therefore, no one other than Bolivians and people from Chile would give a shit either way what happened, they are both two bantamweights.

What they may be may be of no consequence. The opportunities they represent to others is another story.

If you can't think outside the box, then I guess you can't.

Ishmael
 
This is a war thread right?
They're militaries are very small.
Therefore small armies make small wars.
Only Brazil has a large enough military to really make some waves.
Possibly Cuba if they called up all their reserves and if you take into account all their equipment (if they could make it all road/air/sea worthy again).
Peru, Mexico, and Columbia are in the distant second tier of South American militaries.

Bolivia: 31,500 active military personnel
Chile: 87,500 active military personnel
 
Frimost said:
This is a war thread right?
They're militaries are very small.
Therefore small armies make small wars.
Only Brazil has a large enough military to really make some waves.
Possibly Cuba if they called up all their reserves and if you take into account all their equipment (if they could make it all road/air/sea worthy again).
Peru, Mexico, and Columbia are in the distant second tier of South American militaries.

Bolivia: 31,500 active military personnel
Chile: 87,500 active military personnel

Did you read the scenario? Obviously not.

Ishmael
 
Bolivia cannot embark on a “massive military buildup”. It is a poor third-world country with no economy to speak of; you need lots and lots of money to buy weapons. It is not an advanced industrialized country with a resident arms manufacturing industry that is a requirement to have a massive military (that or massive oil wealth).
 
Frimost said:
Bolivia cannot embark on a “massive military buildup”. It is a poor third-world country with no economy to speak of; you need lots and lots of money to buy weapons. It is not an advanced industrialized country with a resident arms manufacturing industry that is a requirement to have a massive military (that or massive oil wealth).

Didn't read the scenario did you?

Ishmael
 
China would never overtly get involved anywhere near South America like that, it is too blatant, reckless, and foolish. They know that it is in America’s sphere of influence. Hell, not even the Soviet Union at the height of its power was stupid enough to send naval assets to war in a South American bannana war.
 
Frimost said:
China would never overtly get involved anywhere near South America like that, it is too blatant, reckless, and foolish. They know that it is in America’s sphere of influence. Hell, not even the Soviet Union at the height of its power was stupid enough to send naval assets to war in a South American bannana war.

Of course young man, just like their front company didn't win the contract to administer the Pacific port for the Panama Canal. Yep, you must be right.

Ishmael
 
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