There are THREE sectors: Market, government, & utility

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This article is well worth a complete C&P here:

Tuesday, Jul 20, 2010 07:01 ET

Progressives should be proud of "sewer liberalism"

It's on the economy where the real differences between left and right are clear


BY MICHAEL LIND

The left-right divide in America involves so many opposite positions on so many contentious issues that it is tempting to wonder whether any fundamental matters of principle are involved at all. Many liberals, for example, want to stamp out cigarette smoking while legalizing marijuana smoking, while many conservatives want harsh penalties for pot smokers and federal subsidies for tobacco growers. But confusing as the political landscape may be when viewed closely, from a distance it is possible to make out the fault line that separates liberals from conservatives when it comes to debates about the economy.

That fault line involves the very nature of the economy itself. If we set aside the nonprofit and household realms, then it is a crude but fair generalization to say that conservatives believe in an economy with two sectors — the market and the government — while liberals believe in an economy with three sectors — the market, the government and the utility sector.

Liberals believe that some goods and services could be provided in a purely competitive market but should not be. Instead, these goods and services should be provided to citizens by an industry organized as a publicly regulated utility, which in the terms of ownership can be private, public or a mixed private-public enterprise.

Whether an industry should be treated as a public utility depends on the nature of the provider or the nature of the goods or services themselves. If the provider is a natural monopoly, like a sewer system, then there is a case for public ownership or for private ownership combined with public price regulation, so that the monopoly does not take advantage of its power to gouge consumers. In other cases, like electricity, competitive markets might be possible, but price volatility would be too disruptive to be tolerated by consumers and businesses.

This was taken for granted by generations of moderate American conservatives as well as liberals, and it would be difficult to find European or Asian conservatives who would question this reasoning. But thanks to the success of radical libertarians in converting the American right to their own free-market fundamentalism, the idea of a distinct utility sector is now seen as a heresy by American conservatives if not by British Tories or French Gaullists. While they acknowledge a role for government, for example in defense, today’s free-market conservatives as a rule reject the legitimacy of a regulated or publicly provided utility sector in an intermediate zone between government and competitive markets. This explains the fervor with which the right seeks to privatize or deregulate services that most Americans, along with most people in other countries, think of as utilities, like local electric power companies.

The most important economic debates between left and right involve industries whose treatment as utilities is less widely accepted than sanitation or electric power. Healthcare is one such industry. What divides American progressives not only from Republican conservatives but also from center-right neoliberals in the Democratic Party is the idea that healthcare should be a publicly regulated utility that is provided as a matter of right to all citizens, not a commodity like apples or shoes that should be sold in a typical competitive marketplace. Not all liberals agree on single-payer healthcare, all-payer price controls, or other specific policies, but it is safe to say that all liberals believe that healthcare should be treated as a utility.

Finance is another industry that American liberals think should be treated as a regulated public utility, not a competitive market. For progressive Americans, the provision of basic financial services like checking and small loans to households and businesses is as essential as the provision of water and electricity. The institutions of the financial sector that provide these basic, essential services should be carved off and converted into regulated utilities, as they were before Republicans and Democrats united to tear down the New Deal regulatory system in the 1980s and 1990s. Other sectors of finance, like investment banking, can be organized as competitive markets, not public utilities, as long as the public is not called on to swallow the costs of failure.

On the other side of the debate are those who believe that healthcare and basic banking services can be provided by multiple firms seeking to maximize their profits in competitive markets. If this were true, then most liberals would have no objection. After all, the center-left, unlike the socialist left, favors competitive markets where they provide abundant goods at low cost with no danger to the public. That is why you don’t see progressives campaigning for turning apple farms or shoe factories into public utilities with prices set by law or regulators.

The problem is that competitive markets do not work well in healthcare and basic financial services. For example, most people live in areas where there are only a few nearby hospitals, perhaps only one. Free-marketeers think that “transparency” can help control costs, thanks to comparative shopping by self-interested consumers. But even if the data were easily available, do libertarian conservatives really expect someone in the throes of a heart attack to go online to check hospital rates before choosing an emergency room? Hospitals are more like local water treatment plants than they are like shops in the mall.

By contrast, in all but the smallest communities there are numerous banks, not to mention other financial institutions like credit unions. In finance, the purpose of regulation is not to prevent a natural geographic monopoly from extracting monopoly rents, but to prevent a horde of mostly small producers and some large producers from competing to fleece their customers.

No problem, says the free-market conservative. Here, too, transparency will enable comparison shopping by well-informed consumers among competing service providers. But just as people cannot be expected to compare and contrast hospital rates before choosing an emergency room, so most people cannot be expected to devote hours or days to decoding deceptive jargon contained in the microscopic print in the blizzard of pages provided by credit card companies and banks. Such "transparency" is really opacity. That is why, in the opinion of many liberals, government should directly regulate basic "utility" financial services and the fees charged for them. And just as no American liberal wants to turn apple farms and shoe factories into public utilities, so no American liberal cares if investors lose their money gambling on South American chinchilla futures, as long as the public is not expected to make them whole.

The recent reforms in healthcare and financial regulation are too market-oriented for most liberals and too utility-oriented for most free-market conservatives. But this does not imply that each side is equally dogmatic. The center-left is much more flexible and open-minded.

For example, when the conditions that made a sector suitable for treatment as a utility change, liberals do not necessarily object to deregulation. As long as telephony was based on wires, regulated telephone monopolies like AT&T made sense. When technology, in the form of wireless telephony, made a competitive market in that industry possible, few liberals objected to deregulation.

Liberals, as I have noted, acknowledge the value of competitive markets in addition to the government sector and the utility sector. But the reverse is not true. Free-market conservatives usually do not acknowledge the need for a public utility sector in addition to competitive markets and government. Instead, they tend to equate the very idea of a publicly regulated utility sector of the economy with "socialism."

"Sewer socialists" was the term coined to describe early 20th-century socialists who boasted of their publicly owned water treatment system in Milwaukee. Later the term was generalized to include progressives who favored publicly regulated utilities. While the term "socialism" is misleading, contemporary American progressives who support an expansive definition of the utility sector should take pride in the term "sewer liberal."
 
Do you go around looking for stupid things to post?

"Innovation in financial services seen as bad thing."

"Consumers are too stupid to buy financial services."

"Most people only live near one hospital." (Though most people live in urban and suburban areas, and every state in the union has one hospital bed for every 200-500 people, give or take.)

By your own admission, your life is a failure, yet you think you are equipped to tell other people how they should be living theirs?

Maybe worry about improving your own situation first.
 
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For example, when the conditions that made a sector suitable for treatment as a utility change, liberals do not necessarily object to deregulation. As long as telephony was based on wires, regulated telephone monopolies like AT&T made sense. When technology, in the form of wireless telephony, made a competitive market in that industry possible, few liberals objected to deregulation.
Having worked in the industry, I can assure you that the deregulation of AT&T had very little to do with wireless telephony. It had everything to do with MCI's lust to get into what was then the "lucrative" long distance business.

Telephony is still largely based on wires, especially between cell towers and mobile switching offices. The distance between the tower and your wireless hand unit is but a fraction of the total distance in a typical call, and most of that total distance in a typical call is "wired" -- either with copper or fiber optics.

The "change" that really paved the way for deregulation was AT&T losing the "interconnection" argument. For years they pretended that interconnection of competitors switches and routers posed an engineering risk to the public switch telephone network as a whole. It was a charade that would not stand. Ultimately, there was nothing to do but to compete on an equal footing with MCI and Sprint. In order to do that AT&T felt it had to shed the profit draining (comparatively speaking) regional bell operating companies (RBOCS) that provided cheap local phone service to millions of Americans. This they gladly (but ultimately foolishly) they did.

Within a very few years, the "lucrative" long distance business became a suicidal, cut-throat environment that even MIC-WorldCom could not survive -- but at least they took everyone else down with them.

Anyway, if Lind can't even get that basic business history right, I'm not inclined to give much weight to the rest of his nonsense.
 
From the C&P:
The most important economic debates between left and right involve industries whose treatment as utilities is less widely accepted than sanitation or electric power. Healthcare is one such industry. What divides American progressives not only from Republican conservatives but also from center-right neoliberals in the Democratic Party is the idea that healthcare should be a publicly regulated utility that is provided as a matter of right to all citizens, not a commodity like apples or shoes that should be sold in a typical competitive marketplace. Not all liberals agree on single-payer healthcare, all-payer price controls, or other specific policies, but it is safe to say that all liberals believe that healthcare should be treated as a utility.


Not sure what it's like elsewhere, but my "right" to electricity ends about 30 days after I don't pay the bill.
 
Having worked in the industry, I can assure you that the deregulation of AT&T had very little to do with wireless telephony. It had everything to do with MCI's lust to get into what was then the "lucrative" long distance business.

Telephony is still largely based on wires, especially between cell towers and mobile switching offices. The distance between the tower and your wireless hand unit is but a fraction of the total distance in a typical call, and most of that total distance in a typical call is "wired" -- either with copper or fiber optics.

The "change" that really paved the way for deregulation was AT&T losing the "interconnection" argument. For years they pretended that interconnection of competitors switches and routers posed an engineering risk to the public switch telephone network as a whole. It was a charade that would not stand. Ultimately, there was nothing to do but to compete on an equal footing with MCI and Sprint. In order to do that AT&T felt it had to shed the profit draining (comparatively speaking) regional bell operating companies (RBOCS) that provided cheap local phone service to millions of Americans. This they gladly (but ultimately foolishly) they did.

Within a very few years, the "lucrative" long distance business became a suicidal, cut-throat environment that even MIC-WorldCom could not survive -- but at least they took everyone else down with them.

Anyway, if Lind can't even get that basic business history right, I'm not inclined to give much weight to the rest of his nonsense.

AT&T got taxpayer funds to upgrade their DSL/phone line infrastructure, but instead used it for marketing and funneled it into their fiber optics, which they don't (yet) have to open up to competitors... it was a nice work-around to keep fuck their customers, and to use public money to do it... It's one of the reasons they're the biggest political contributors.
 
Liberals, as I have noted, acknowledge the value of competitive markets in addition to the government sector and the utility sector. But the reverse is not true. Free-market conservatives usually do not acknowledge the need for a public utility sector in addition to competitive markets and government. Instead, they tend to equate the very idea of a publicly regulated utility sector of the economy with "socialism."

Also nonsense. Most of what distinguishes a public utility is a network or infrastructure that is cost-prohibitive to duplicate among multiple competitors. I see no evidence that conservatives are philosophically opposed to such entities. And where a utility, like the phone company, might be deregulated in the face of technological or other advancements, where the resistance comes is when liberals start arguing for converting historically successful competitive markets into monopolized government "services" just because the market has displayed significant volatility over the short term.

Conservatives have a greater faith in history running its course they they do in liberals attempting to micromanage everything from the economy, to education, to healthcare, and more.
 
Do you go around looking for stupid things to post?

By your own admission, your life is a failure, yet you think you are equipped to tell other people how they should be living theirs?

Maybe worry about improving your own situation first.

Ding!

It's a common trait shared by most of Lit's idiot liberals.

Losers.
 
Yeah, reaching today’s youth who have been caught up in the Obama trance may seem like an insurmountable task. But it’s not. Beck takes a crack at it, and I think he’s on to something here. “Nobody relates to the powdered Whigs,” he noted in the next installment of our exclusive interview. “The youth understand Apple. That is the free market.” As Beck explained, Bill Gates cooked up an idea in his garage that “damn near puts IBM out of business. IBM is Barack Obama. Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson—[they are] Bill Gates.”
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=38430
 
AT&T got taxpayer funds to upgrade their DSL/phone line infrastructure, but instead used it for marketing and funneled it into their fiber optics, which they don't (yet) have to open up to competitors... it was a nice work-around to keep fuck their customers, and to use public money to do it... It's one of the reasons they're the biggest political contributors.

I can think of about five or six different ways that you probably don't really understand what you are talking about, but here are just a few:

1. AT&T hasn't been a publicly regulated government utility since deregulation in 1984. Not certain when or how it would have received government money since then.

2. What was left of AT&T (a mere shadow of its former corporate dominance) was purchased by SBC corporation in 2005. SBC was one of the former AT&T's Regional Bell Operating Companies. The child was literally father to the man, but SBC, understanding the value of the AT&T brand, changed its name to its former parent following the merger. Think of Pontiac buying and then calling itself General Motors (yeah, I know. Too late now.)

3. Among the most common disqualifiers for DSL service are extra-long copper access lines equipped with "load coils" to boost voice signals (but which filter out high-frequency digital signals used in DSL) to distant neighborhoods. A common solution is to replace all or part of long analog local loops with fiber optic lines to the neighborhood. Maybe SBC/ATT got a loan or grant for that.

4. Nobody is going to have to "open up" anything to anybody else because it's already open. Co-location cages exist in about every single telephone central office in the country. If you don't know what a co-location cage is, you should look it up.
 
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