There are no "Second Amendment solutions"

[Politruk]

Any serious rational discussion of gun control in America has to begin with even the NRA and the GOA admitting that privately owned firearms are POLITICALLY USELESS. You will never use them to fight the state with any hope of success.

Legitimate private uses of firearms are:
1. Personal defense against criminals (not against LEOs).
2. Hunting.
3. Gun collecting as a hobby.
4. Target shooting as a sport/hobby.

And that's all. Insurrection is not on the list.

 

[Politruk]

In fact, the 2A is not even RELEVANT.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State . . ."

But, it ISN'T. Militia in the 18th-Century sense -- a volunteer nonprofessional force, as distinct from a National Guard of part-time professional soldiers -- has played no role in any American conflict since the Spanish-American War. We really don't need it at all.

The 2A was intended to facilitate a militia-based defense system (the idea was, when war broke out and the militia was called up, every militiaman would bring his own musket from home) at a time when the FFs feared a large professional army because such might be used as an instrument of domestic rule, as it was in Europe.

But the few instances when the U.S. Army actually has been used as an instrument of domestic rule -- Reconstruction, enforcement of racial integration and civil rights -- have not been in any way regrettable. The FFs' fears were groundless.

There really is no good reason to have the 2A in the Constitution. There is no reason why keeping arms should be a constitutional right, set beyond the reach of ordinary legislative politics. None at all.

 

[Politruk]

And yet there are actual single-issue voters on this!

The NRA is feared and powerful in Washington -- but not for the campaign contributions it can swing, which are negligible compared to the corporate sector's. It is feared for the gun-rights single-issue voters it can turn out.

The stupid! It burns!

 

[Saint_Ann]

Any serious rational discussion of gun control in America has to begin with even the NRA and the GOA admitting that privately owned firearms are POLITICALLY USELESS. You will never use them to fight the state with any hope of success.

Legitimate private uses of firearms are:
1. Personal defense against criminals (not against LEOs).
2. Hunting.
3. Gun collecting as a hobby.
4. Target shooting as a sport/hobby.

And that's all. Insurrection is not on the list.

You didn't watch Red Dawn? The first one. All the others suck.

 

[Politruk]

You didn't watch Red Dawn? The first one. All the others suck.

Yeah, I saw it.

Where were the Communists in that story?!

I mean the American Communists. If the Soviets invaded the U.S. you would expect them to hunt up members of the CPUSA to use as public spokesmen and liaisons. Of course they'd be glad to help -- any American who is still a Commie in the 1980s has got to be a True Believer.

The occupiers don't even act like Commies themselves -- they do nothing to revolutionize American society in the regions they control. They don't even talk about liberating the workers from the bosses.

It's weird.

 

[Saint_Ann]

Yeah, I saw it.

Where were the Communists in that story?!

I mean the American Communists. If the Soviets invaded the U.S. you would expect them to hunt up members of the CPUSA to use as public spokesmen and liaisons. Of course they'd be glad to help -- any American who is still a Commie in the 1980s has got to be a True Believer.

The occupiers don't even act like Commies themselves -- they do nothing to revolutionize American society in the regions they control. They don't even talk about liberating the workers from the bosses.

It's weird.

Guess where the invasion came from. Mexico.

It's weird.

 

[Politruk]

Guess where the invasion came from. Mexico.

It's weird.

A border wall wouldn't have slowed 'em down any, you know.

The Great Wall never did keep any invaders out of China.

 

[Saint_Ann]

A border wall wouldn't have slowed 'em down any, you know.

The Great Wall never did keep any invaders out of China.

Wall??? They're already here.

 

[Politruk]

Wall??? They're already here.

Mexicans are. Commies ain't.

 

[Saint_Ann]

Mexicans are. Commies ain't.

Pretty sure my neighbors are MS-13.

 

[Politruk]

Pretty sure my neighbors are MS-13.

Those ain't Commies.

And they're best left to the LEOs. You don't need to be armed because they're around -- you'll live longer if you're not.

And the same is true in the event of foreign invasion. The Wolverines would be worse than useless.

 

[Rebel5soul]

Where do these morons come from?

 

[Saint_Ann]

Where do these morons come from?

Everybody's got their own busybody.

 

[Politruk]

Where do these morons come from?

Red states, mostly.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Pretty sure my neighbors are MS-13.

Could be 18th Street.

 

[JoePepsiCo]

I liked the Seven Percent Solution.

 

[Wat_Tyler]

Simply diagram the sentence and get back to me . . . .

 

[JoePepsiCo]

noun/predicate/expletive–ad hominem

 

[Wat_Tyler]

You left out the hate part . . . .

 

[JoePepsiCo]

It's like the implied you...

(hate you) noun/predicate/expletive–ad hominem

 

[Rebel5soul]

Everybody's got their own busybody.

So it seems. Its entire conclusion is based on assumptions that ain't necessarily true.

 

[Bn2f]

If you’re confused who is who, you can tell wat from Joe by his affinity for ‘Heil hitler’.

 

[JoePepsiCo]

Why is the Left side of our polity so focused on Hitler?

A cautionary tale for their movement?

 

[Bn2f]

Why is the Left side of our polity so focused on Hitler?

A cautionary tale for their movement?

Yes. Exactly. Yes.

 

[JoePepsiCo]

He comes sans Damocles...