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Driver ticketed for using biofuel
Vegetable oil sticks him with $1,000 fine

Bruce Henderson, The Charlotte Observer
Bob Teixeira decided it was time to take a stand against U.S. dependence on foreign oil.

So last fall the Charlotte musician and guitar instructor spent $1,200 to convert his 1981 diesel Mercedes to run on vegetable oil. He bought soybean oil in 5-gallon jugs at Costco, spending about 30 percent more than diesel would cost.

His reward, from a state that heavily promotes alternative fuels: a $1,000 fine last month for not paying motor fuel taxes. He has been told to expect another $1,000 fine from the federal government.

To legally use veggie oil, state officials told him, he would have to first post a $2,500 bond.

Teixeira is one of a growing number of fuel-it-yourselfers -- backyard brewers who recycle restaurant grease or make moonshine for their car tanks. They do it to save money, reduce pollution or thumb their noses at oil sheiks.

They're also caught in a web of little-known state laws that can stifle energy independence.

State Sen. Stan Bingham, R-Denton, is known around Raleigh for his diesel Volkswagen fueled by used soybean oil. The car sports a "Goodbye, OPEC" sign.

"If somebody was going to go to this much trouble to drive around in a car that uses soybean oil, they ought to be exempt" from state taxes, he said.

The state Department of Revenue, which fined Teixeira, has asked legislators to waive the $2,500 bond for small fuel users. The department also told Teixeira, after the Observer asked about his case this week, that it will compromise on his fine.

But officials say they'll keep pursuing taxes on all fuels used in highway vehicles. With its 29.9-cent a gallon gas tax, the state collects $1.2 billion each year to pay for road construction.

"With the high cost of fuel right now, the department does recognize that a lot of people are looking for relief," said Reggie Little, assistant director of the motor fuel taxes division. "We're not here to hurt the small guy, we're just trying to make sure that the playing field is level."

Alternative support

State policies firmly endorse alternative fuels.

In 2005 legislators directed state agencies to replace 20 percent of their annual petroleum use with alternatives by 2010. About 6,000 of the state's 8,500 vehicles are equipped to use ethanol. The state fleet also includes about 135 gas-electric hybrids.

Few states, however, are prepared to regulate the new fuels, says the National VegOil Board, which promotes vegetable oil fuel.

"State offices do not have the forms to appropriately and fairly deal with VegOil, nor the staff to enforce the nonexistent forms," said director Cynthia Shelton. "So either they tell people inquiring about compliance to get lost, or they make them jump a bunch of arbitrary hoops."

Outraged Illinois legislators this spring quickly waived that state's $2,500 bond requirement when an elderly man was nabbed for using waste vegetable oil.

In the mountain district of state Sen. John Snow, D-Cherokee, home-brewed ethanol was once known as moonshine. But a couple of constituents who made it for fuel have been fined for the same tax violation that got Teixeira in trouble.

Snow has introduced several bills to promote biodiesel, which under state law includes vegetable oil.

"One of the biggest problems in the state is a real lack of information for people who want to use alternative fuels," said Snow's research assistant, Jonathan Ducote. "It's just now appearing on [regulators'] radar."

Speedway sting

Teixeira's story began near Lowe's Motor Speedway on May 14. As recreational vehicles streamed in for race week, revenue investigators were checking fuel tanks of diesel RVs for illegal fuel.

The investigators spotted Teixeira's passing bumper sticker: "Powered by 100% vegetable oil."

"It was like some twist of fate that put me there," he said. "It was like I was asking for them to stop me."

Teixeira says revenue officials are just doing their jobs. But he thinks it's unfair that he was lumped with people who purposely try to avoid fuel taxes.

"Individuals who are trying to do the right thing environmentally cannot and should not continue to take this kind of financial hit," he wrote Gov. Mike Easley.

He'll pay the state fine and apply for a state fuel license.

"I'm ready to get myself legal," he said, "and start using vegetable oil again."
 
http://www.roanoke.com/news/nrv/breaking/wb/110583

Biodiesel fuel maker pleads guilty

By Tim Thornton

Sam Bolt pleaded guilty to two misdemeanors Tuesday afternoon, ending the criminal presecution of the Carroll County biodiesel producer.

Bolt, 33, was arrested in August for evading fuel taxes while manufacturing and selling biodiesel fuel. Bolt received suspended sentences of one year in jail and a $250 fine on each count. A related felony charge was dropped as part of the plea bargain.

"I'm satisfied with that," Bolt said outside the Carroll County courthouse. "Getting this over with is my concern."

Commonwealth's Attorney Gregory Goad said things might not be over yet. There are still issues relating to tax payments the Internal Revenue Serive and the state Department of Motor Vehicles may pursue, Goad said.

"Consideration of everything else he's got coming is why we did what we did here today," Goad said. "He's got a lot of issues to address outside these proceedings."

Bolt was turning vegetable oil into fuel, using it in his own highway vehicle and selling it to others. He said he produced about 5,600 gallons of fuel over three months.

"If being innovative and supplying cheap fuel to the public to reduce the stranglehold foreign oil has on us is the charge, I'm guilty," Bolt said outside the courthouse."I think the American people want this."

General District Court Judge Edward Turner, who presided over the case, said, "I think this bio thing is wonderful, but you need to get up to speed on the regulations. He may be a pioneer."
 
phrodeau said:
Meanwhile, thousands are using biodiesel legally.
So? What that means is these red state oil company corporate statists are going to eventually nail thousands of people unless they're forced to change their laws.
 
It's not a red state/blue state issue idiot. It's about highway taxes. Notice that the Feds are in on this as well?

If you are NOT paying fuel taxes and are using public roads you can expect the same treatment no matter where you live.

Fucking clown.

Ishmael
 
Ishmael said:
It's not a red state/blue state issue idiot. It's about highway taxes. Notice that the Feds are in on this as well?

If you are NOT paying fuel taxes and are using public roads you can expect the same treatment no matter where you live.

Fucking clown.

Ishmael
you fall for LT's shit?
 
There are plenty of others that do fall for his shit.

Ishmael
 
Ishmael said:
It's not a red state/blue state issue idiot. It's about highway taxes. Notice that the Feds are in on this as well?

If you are NOT paying fuel taxes and are using public roads you can expect the same treatment no matter where you live.

Fucking clown.

Ishmael
Hey, fucking retardo. THIS is about the RED STATES failing to live up to their worthless little anti tax, anti Government meddling sales pitch they've been making to America.

When the chips fall, your half of America is just as communistic as the rest of us.

You're a total brainless moron if you even try to deny that.
 
LovingTongue said:
Hey, fucking retardo. THIS is about the RED STATES failing to live up to their worthless little anti tax, anti Government meddling sales pitch they've been making to America.

When the chips fall, your half of America is just as communistic as the rest of us.

You're a total brainless moron if you even try to deny that.
Do you know what "Feds" means? And remember how much you were hooting about the last election results and all the payback the Dems would lay down?
 
So how do you propose that states raise the funds necessary for road improvements and maintaining existing roads?
 
SleepingWarrior said:
So how do you propose that states raise the funds necessary for road improvements and maintaining existing roads?
Oh, I have no problem with this, except for the whole Oregon black box thing.

But now that the RED STATE GOVERNMENTS are working WITH the Feds to slap $2500 fees and fines on you for bypassing the oil industry, everyone is trying to take attention away from the RED STATE GOVERNMENTS' involvement.

After all, it's always "everyone else's fault."
 
Ishmael said:
It's not a red state/blue state issue idiot. It's about highway taxes. Notice that the Feds are in on this as well?

If you are NOT paying fuel taxes and are using public roads you can expect the same treatment no matter where you live.

Fucking clown.

Ishmael


I agree with Ishmeal. If you've ever done construction work, you'll know that heavy equipment that stays offroad, is fueled with red diesel which costs about 2 dollars less per gallon than clear diesel. The fuel is no different except for it's color. the only difference is that red dye is not subject to road use taxes. Now, if you take that red diesel and put it in a street vehicle, it will run the same, but if DOT catches you, you will find yourself in deep shit no matter what state you happen to be in

BTW... Does anybody else find it ironic that red, which used to be the color of the Communist Party, is now the color of the Republican party... Hmmmmm
 
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skygazer said:
I agree with Ishmeal. If you've ever done construction work, you'll know that heavy equipment that stays offroad, is fueled with red diesel which costs about 2 dollars less per gallon than clear diesel. The fuel is no different except for it's color. the only difference is that red dye is not subject to road use taxes. Now, if you take that red diesel and put it in a street vehicle, it will run the same, but if DOT catches you, you will find yourself in deep shit no matter what state you happen to be in

BTW... Does anybody else find it ironic that red, which used to be the color of the Communist Party, is now the color of the Republican party... Hmmmmm
And that, unbeknownst to the fool Ishmael, the Conservative led Governments in VA and NC are equal partners in these taxes.
 
LovingTongue said:
And that, unbeknownst to the fool Ishmael, the Conservative led Governments in VA and NC are equal partners in these taxes.

Like Ishmael said in his post, it is not an issue about red or blue states. the road use tax is a federal thing. You get hit with these taxes no matter which state you live in. If you have an issue with gasoline taxes I suggest you take it up with Washington...
 
skygazer said:
Like Ishmael said in his post, it is not an issue about red or blue states. the road use tax is a federal thing. You get hit with these taxes no matter which state you live in. If you have an issue with gasoline taxes I suggest you take it up with Washington...
The "state Department of Revenue" is FEDERAL?! :rolleyes:
 
LovingTongue said:
The "state Department of Revenue" is FEDERAL?! :rolleyes:

All I can tell you LT, is that gasoline taxes have been put in place by the federal government. Enforcement of laws governing said taxes, does usually fall to individual state agencies.
 
skygazer said:
All I can tell you LT, is that gasoline taxes have been put in place by the federal government. Enforcement of laws governing said taxes, does usually fall to individual state agencies.
Or they can choose to ignore it. Like they've done with no less than 3 people I know in California who sell biodiesel and purchase used veggie oil AND report it on their taxes. These guys have a paper trail a mile long and a mile wide. I've even bought some from them along with a filter to try out a 20% bio mix on a friend's Jeep Liberty CRD.

No Feds or State agencies have come to my door yet.

I wouldn't try that shit in NC, though.
 
I don't think "shit for brains" knows that the North Carolina state senate is controlled by the democrats. Along with the state House. And the fucking Governor is a democrat. It doesn't sound very red to me.
 
I'm with LT. You shouldn't pay taxes on something you don't use.

If they need money for roads, put them into another tax. Or rely on the 99% of drivers that do use gasoline.
 
MechaBlade said:
I'm with LT. You shouldn't pay taxes on something you don't use.

If they need money for roads, put them into another tax. Or rely on the 99% of drivers that do use gasoline.
We pay a seperate road tax over here that is dependent on the size/emissions of your car. There have been calls recently to abolish it and put the tax onto fuel so you pay for what you use.
 
LovingTongue said:
Or they can choose to ignore it. Like they've done with no less than 3 people I know in California who sell biodiesel and purchase used veggie oil AND report it on their taxes. These guys have a paper trail a mile long and a mile wide. I've even bought some from them along with a filter to try out a 20% bio mix on a friend's Jeep Liberty CRD.

No Feds or State agencies have come to my door yet.

I wouldn't try that shit in NC, though.

You're an idiot. You don't know 'jack' about laws that have been in place for 70 years or more. It seems that in a nation of law you think you can pick and choose those that you want to agree with, or not.

If you are a Democrat, as you profess to be, don't you think the state is entitled to collect the taxes that it's levied? If not. why not?

Is it the province of the Republicans to overlook these taxes? If so, why?

Do you feel that those that use the roads should help pay for those roads and their upkeep? If so, how?

If brains were fuel, no one would get very far with you LT.

Ishmael
 
Laughing. Fines and fees for road use = fines and fees for bypassing the oil industry.
 
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