The Wild Midwest

[4est_4est_Gump]

It is the Wild West in which the myth is that people were being shot right and left because there were no gun laws. It is, statistically speaking, just that, a myth.

Yet, in Chicago, a city of common-sense gun ordinance, young black men (as well as innocent black bystanders) are being shot in record numbers. I know, this is an oft-repeated juxtaposition between ideology and reality, but as Ben Stein writes, when are we going to take this terrorism as seriously as we take "terrorism?"

Is it time for a "reset" on how we treat dysfunctional communities? Instead of #BlackLiversMatter and "What do we want" Dead cops!" or "Hands up, Don't shoot!" can we divert the National Guard to a peace-keeping mission or are we going to keep pretending that the prevention of internecine genocide is a violation of "civil rights."

Is it not a civil right to be safe in your home, community, school and church?

Can we not bulldoze failing communities?

Replace them with jobs?

Hope? Change?

 

[RobDownSouth]

Population density and poverty rate have much more to do with crime rates than skin color, you big dummy.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Population density and poverty rate have much more to do with crime rates than skin color, you big dummy.

Dummy?! Is that the word in the US for racist fucking moron.

Common-sense gun ordinance?! In the US?! That's fucking funny!

It is the Wild West in which the myth is that people were being shot right and left because there were no gun laws. It is, statistically speaking, just that, a myth.

Yet, in Chicago, a city of common-sense gun ordinance, young black men (as well as innocent black bystanders) are being shot in record numbers. I know, this is an oft-repeated juxtaposition between ideology and reality, but as Ben Stein writes, when are we going to take this terrorism as seriously as we take "terrorism?"

Is it time for a "reset" on how we treat dysfunctional communities? Instead of #BlackLiversMatter and "What do we want" Dead cops!" or "Hands up, Don't shoot!" can we divert the National Guard to a peace-keeping mission or are we going to keep pretending that the prevention of internecine genocide is a violation of "civil rights."

Is it not a civil right to be safe in your home, community, school and church?

Can we not bulldoze failing communities?

Replace them with jobs?

Hope? Change?

 

[Saint Peter]

Its all good, gump. Donald is on it! Manufacturing jobs are coming back to those places, for those people. They are going to have money and lots of it. Lots and lots of money.

The problems will not be fixed with a D9 Cat. They are not isolated to Chicago and Baltimore. The 99%ers and the people that have been given a lifetime of rough rides have had enough. The times have changed. The game has changed.

Shit is going to get real. I am not talking about a handful of crazies like Ish was calling to arms when Obama was elected and reelected, I am talking about millions of people that feel they do not have that much to lose.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

*chuckle*


If all of that is true, why Chicago?

Is the home city of Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton the nexus of poverty?




Why the hell would that be??? Republican malfeasance?

 

[Saint Peter]

Is what it is. One city of a thousand cities. A history of organized crime. A refuge for people from the south when times there were no so great. Why Baltimore?

Yes, you want to make this about political parties. It is the only thing you can discuss. This thread was created to make a political statement. However, the issue here is not about republicans and democrats. Gun control is not going to put a finger in the dyke. Guns are everywhere. Snatch up all the guns and make them into dishwashers, the underlying issues still exist. Still not dealt with in a constructive way.

 

[Ms_Ann]

You think the city people are armed, you should see the country people.

 

[Conager]

Minor thread jack but actually there were plenty of gun control laws in a lot of Western towns.

This was back when the Bill of Rights was correctly understood to speak to only what the federal government can and cannot do to citizens of the several States.

I like Heller, but Heller was wrong. Heller was the natural outgrowth of the the way the incorporation clause has been misconstrued to apply to other amendments.

 

[Ms_Ann]

Minor thread jack but actually there were plenty of gun control laws in a lot of Western towns.

This was back when the Bill of Rights was correctly understood to speak to only what the federal government can and cannot do to citizens of the several States.

I like Heller, but Heller was wrong. Heller was the natural outgrowth of the the way the incorporation clause has been misconstrued to apply to other amendments.

The problem then and now is a matter of enforcement.

 

[akatrex]

Chicago: January 2017 year to Date

Shot & Killed: 3
Shot & Wounded: 27
Total Shot: 30
Total Homicides: 3

Got to Love Rahm Emanuel!
F@#%ing ID10T

 

[JinSun]

Is what it is. One city of a thousand cities. A history of organized crime. A refuge for people from the south when times there were no so great. Why Baltimore?

Yes, you want to make this about political parties. It is the only thing you can discuss. This thread was created to make a political statement. However, the issue here is not about republicans and democrats. Gun control is not going to put a finger in the dyke. Guns are everywhere. Snatch up all the guns and make them into dishwashers, the underlying issues still exist. Still not dealt with in a constructive way.

Well, I assume we'd have cleaner dishes, no?

 

[juggernaut001]

Chicago: January 2017 year to Date

Shot & Killed: 3
Shot & Wounded: 27
Total Shot: 30
Total Homicides: 3

Got to Love Rahm Emanuel!
F@#%ing ID10T

Stats from Hey Jackass.

http://heyjackass.com/

 

[Conager]

Chicago: January 2017 year to Date

Shot & Killed: 3
Shot & Wounded: 27
Total Shot: 30
Total Homicides: 3

Got to Love Rahm Emanuel!
F@#%ing ID10T

the only reason that the homicide rate in Chicago is not even higher than it is is because they have some of the best gunshot trauma surgeons in the world working their. They get lots and lots of practice

 

[JinSun]

Just like in GTA, Chicago's got 4 stars. I fear what we do when they hit 5...

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9b/Flag_of_Chicago,_Illinois.svg/255px-Flag_of_Chicago,_Illinois.svg.png

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

You think the city people are armed, you should see the country people.

:belly laugh:

And we are not shooting each other on a daily basis!

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The problem then and now is a matter of enforcement.

Not really.

It is the soft bigotry of low expectations.

When they "artistically" endorse violence and misogyny, to oppose and even to censor such material is a violation of all sorts of rights especially if you are a school administration or a cop. You're "too white" to get their culture. Pretty much the same with Islam. The problem that non-Progressives make is that they associate just a few bad apples with a whole culture, one that eschews education and anything more than public assistance and yet we are assured, as I was today, that the violence stems from poverty.

No. It does not. Poverty leads to the daily search for bare sustenance, not a gun and a bag of dope. Boredom from the knowledge that the government will always let you not starve leads to violence, turf wars and drug trafficking.

 

[Ms_Ann]

Not really.

It is the soft bigotry of low expectations.

When they "artistically" endorse violence and misogyny, to oppose and even to censor such material is a violation of all sorts of rights especially if you are a school administration or a cop. You're "too white" to get their culture. Pretty much the same with Islam. The problem that non-Progressives make is that they associate just a few bad apples with a whole culture, one that eschews education and anything more than public assistance and yet we are assured, as I was today, that the violence stems from poverty.

No. It does not. Poverty leads to the daily search for bare sustenance, not a gun and a bag of dope. Boredom from the knowledge that the government will always let you not starve leads to violence, turf wars and drug trafficking.

There are a lot of poor rural people not shooting each other.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

There are a lot of poor rural people not shooting each other.

Yeah, possum tastes better than fresh Soylent...






... and possum don't shoot back!

 

[Ms_Ann]

Yeah, possum tastes better than fresh Soylent...






... and possum don't shoot back!

I'm almost positive the Chicago gun violence solution can be solved through a few properly placed taxes.

 

[Ishmael]

Then there is this article re. Chicago.

Trump blasts the God-Father.

On this one I think Trump is flat wrong. Federal interference is actually contributing to the problem in that Chicago is another one of those cities under a Federal Consent Decree.

Towards the end of the article we find this;

He also said a state law that took effect last January requiring officers to fill out lengthy contact cards when they stop someone has resulted in fewer stops, because the cards require more paperwork for officers and the cards are 'scrutinized' by federal judges.

He said those concerns are not lost on criminals.

'Criminals watch TV, pay attention to the media,' he said. 'They see an opportunity to commit nefarious activity.

And there are other little tidbits in the article such as the implication that the police a pulling back and just letting the gangs kill each other. And there is probably more than a grain of truth in that notion, unfortunately more than a few innocents are being caught in the cross-fire.

Also contained in the article is this;

'In Chicago, we just don't have a deterrent to pick up a gun,' he said. 'Any time a guy stealing a loaf of bread spends more time pre-trial in jail than a gun offender, something is wrong.'

Also more than a grain of truth in that. There are more than enough gun laws on the books out there, the problem is the fact that the prosecutors seem to be willing to trade away the gun charges in order to reach a plea bargain. And Chicago is not unique in that respect, it is a nation-wide practice. Most states have mandatory enhanced sentencing if a firearm was used in the commission of a crime, so the defense atty's make every attempt to make that go away in a plea bargain. And the prosecutors seem to be more than willing to go along with the deal just to clean out their 'in-box'. The point here is that it doesn't matter how strong the gun violence laws are if they aren't going to be prosecuted.

Ishmael

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I have to agree. And knowing what I know, being subjected to it also on local TV, sometime in the near future, thanks to the teacher's and government employee's unions, that Chicago (Illinois) is going to expect the rest of the nation to write it the checks that its mouth could not cash...


Move the UN to Chicago, task them with cleaning up the mess and then inform them that as soon as they "drain the swamp" we resume funding them. To assist them, let's move an army of Palestinian refugees in to help them mop up.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

"Also more than a grain of truth in that. There are more than enough gun laws on the books out there, the problem is the fact that the prosecutors seem to be willing to trade away the gun charges in order to reach a plea bargain. And Chicago is not unique in that respect, it is a nation-wide practice. Most states have mandatory enhanced sentencing if a firearm was used in the commission of a crime, so the defense atty's make every attempt to make that go away in a plea bargain. And the prosecutors seem to be more than willing to go along with the deal just to clean out their 'in-box'."

No, not to clean out the inbox, but to polish the resume for a state office before moving on to a run at a Federal seat...



... I was tough on crime, but I was fair to minorities!

 

[Hard_Rom]

You only need one gun law. No handguns or military style weapons with large capacity magazines. Making gun ownership a privilege not a right would help too.

A 2015 ranking of 50 cities by The Economist ranked Toronto as the eighth safest major city in the world, and the safest major city in North America.

For comparisons to various cities in North America, in 2012 for example, the homicide rate for the city of Toronto was 2.0 per 100,000 people, yet for Atlanta (19.0), Chicago (18.5), Boston (9.0), San Francisco (8.6), New York City (5.1), and San Jose (4.6).

 

[Hard_Rom]

Guns in the wild west: regulated, with no fears about ripping the Constitution

https://fabiusmaximus.com/2013/01/24/guns-wild-west-48208/

 

[Ishmael]

You only need one gun law. No handguns or military style weapons with large capacity magazines. Making gun ownership a privilege not a right would help too.

A 2015 ranking of 50 cities by The Economist ranked Toronto as the eighth safest major city in the world, and the safest major city in North America.

For comparisons to various cities in North America, in 2012 for example, the homicide rate for the city of Toronto was 2.0 per 100,000 people, yet for Atlanta (19.0), Chicago (18.5), Boston (9.0), San Francisco (8.6), New York City (5.1), and San Jose (4.6).

Guns in the wild west: regulated, with no fears about ripping the Constitution

https://fabiusmaximus.com/2013/01/24/guns-wild-west-48208/

I have a better idea. Round up all the gang members, send them out to NTS, arm them to the teeth and turn them loose on the reservation with only one rule, "Last man/woman standing gets $20 million cash." Put it all on 'pay per view.' A few hundred billion in the national coffers and the gangs gone for a couple of years. Kinda like 'capture the flag' or 'Rollerball' with real life consequences.

Rinse and repeat.

Ishmael