The weight loss/diet threads

[Betticus]

It's getting to be summertime and I see that the diet threads are getting attention again.

So I have been researching weight loss and fitness stuff and I stumbled upon some information on fat that is very scary. It's info on how your body reacts on a cellular and hormonal level to the kinds of fats that we all eat in our diets.

Do some googling on virgin coconut oil and start to dig into it once you get past the marketing hype and let me know what you think. I'm off to bed right now but I'll post some links and info later on.

 

[arctic-stranger]

The Sub-Arctic Three Step Diet

I have the ultimate diet. One day i am going to stretch it out, write a book, make a couple of million and retire to a cabin in alaska with the french girl...oh, i already have one of those...

anyway, here is a sneak preview. I am not going to require that you buy the book, but you might want to as a favor to me.

The Sub-Arctic Three Step Diet With One Pre-Step and One Post-Step

Pre-step: Don't think you can do this over night.
1) Eat less food.
2) Eat healthier food.
3) Get more exercise.
Post-Step: Continue this for the rest of your life.


That is all you have to have to do. It takes six months for it to kick in, but the weight you lose will stay gone, unlike the fad diets. (I stopped putting sugar in my coffee, and lost five pounds in two weeks. And i have not gained that back.)

 

[Seduce]

Pre-step: Don't think you can do this over night.
1) Eat less food.
2) Eat healthier food.
3) Get more exercise.
Post-Step: Continue this for the rest of your life.

I have been on all sorts of diets all my life...... and this kind is the only one that really works. It got me from 75 kg to the tiny 47....... owing to complete change of life I gained it all back but still hoping I am strong enough to do it once again.

 

[english vicky]

It's getting to be summertime and I see that the diet threads are getting attention again.

So I have been researching weight loss and fitness stuff and I stumbled upon some information on fat that is very scary. It's info on how your body reacts on a cellular and hormonal level to the kinds of fats that we all eat in our diets.

Do some googling on virgin coconut oil and start to dig into it once you get past the marketing hype and let me know what you think. I'm off to bed right now but I'll post some links and info later on.

http://health.yahoo.com/ate/drweil/alldaily/2003/12/316479

I did some digging and found this I don't know if it's the sort of thing you were wishing to discuss? Before this I found loads of adverts promoting coconut oil as the new diet...suggestions of a teaspoon full before each meal even was mentioned. Yuck.

Hope it helps.

 

[graceanne]

I have the ultimate diet. One day i am going to stretch it out, write a book, make a couple of million and retire to a cabin in alaska with the french girl...oh, i already have one of those...

anyway, here is a sneak preview. I am not going to require that you buy the book, but you might want to as a favor to me.

The Sub-Arctic Three Step Diet With One Pre-Step and One Post-Step

Pre-step: Don't think you can do this over night.
1) Eat less food.
2) Eat healthier food.
3) Get more exercise.
Post-Step: Continue this for the rest of your life.


That is all you have to have to do. It takes six months for it to kick in, but the weight you lose will stay gone, unlike the fad diets. (I stopped putting sugar in my coffee, and lost five pounds in two weeks. And i have not gained that back.)

Oh, wow that sounds so easy. Wait! It's not that simple. I barely eat at all, because when I do I get sick, due to the crohns. Because of that my body thinks that I'm starving (I am) and instead of burning the food I do eat, it packs it on to my body in the form of fat, so that next time I have a flair (and can't eat at all) I won't die of starvation. And yes, I've talked to my drs. They can't do anything about it, either. Frankly, they could care less.

But wait, I can tell you're thinking 'But she has Crohns Disease!" This works for anyone who's gone on starvation diets, which includes about half of americans. Not all who are fat overeat, as a matter of fact at least half of the people who are fat don't eat enough.

Let's move on. I have arthritis. Just walking makes my knees and ankles swell so bad that I can't barely move. But to loose weight, I gotta excercise. The only kind of excercise I can do is swimming, and since I'm a very bad swimmer it has to be a pool. The only way you can swim in a pool it to pay money. Do you think they'd take a check? . I have a friend who has rheumetoid arthritis, and she also can't excercise. Add to that that chlorine gives her such bad asthma attacks that she ends up in the hospital, and you have someone who can't excercise at all.

 

[Seduce]

And yes, I've talked to my drs. They can't do anything about it, either. Frankly, they could care less.

If they cannot do anything it is one thing....... but if they dont care.....
Didi you try and talk to nutritionists?
And I must say I am not very much into arthritis but I know when I had problems with discopathia and extrusion one of my discs I had nice little nurse coming to me every day after my operation and showing me what kind of exercise I can and should practice.
There are ways to quicken your metabolism........ and that is really what makes you fat or thin (like those people that can eat anything and never gain weight).

 

[graceanne]

If they cannot do anything it is one thing....... but if they dont care.....
Didi you try and talk to nutritionists?
And I must say I am not very much into arthritis but I know when I had problems with discopathia and extrusion one of my discs I had nice little nurse coming to me every day after my operation and showing me what kind of exercise I can and should practice.
There are ways to quicken your metabolism........ and that is really what makes you fat or thin (like those people that can eat anything and never gain weight).

The only thing doctors care about is themselves. They are (almost) all assholes.

I can't afford a nutritionist, and when I had insurance, they wouldn't cover one.

I also can't afford to have a nurse come to my house. And I guarantee if I had insurance they wouldn't cover it.

As for quickening my metabolism, I've tried a few of them and they didn't work. I've tried chromium piclinate, and another that I can't remember the name of. Frankly, if I knew FOR SURE that something would work, I'd borrow the money to get it, but I'm sick of buying things that do shit for me.

I just pray that I get on ssi, cause then I'll get medicaid, and once I get medicaid I can get suplimental insurance to go with it. And the suplimental insurance doesn't ask about health problems, so chances are that I'll get accepted. (If they did, their's no way in hell I'd get it.)

And for those of you who didn't catch it, you have to have the money for really good insurance to get healthcare that addresses the problem, not the symptoms. I don't care whether what they do to our healthcare system, just as long as they do something. Right now I've been without my Imuran for a week. Know why? I can't get insurance, and I don't have the money.

 

[arctic-stranger]

Gee, all i was trying to do was to say that the fad diets really tend to not work. A healthy lifestyle is a heck of a lot better than any thing else you can buy your way into.

You know you body better than i do, but i think for most people this makes more sense than that low carb south beach oprah scarsdale grapefruit jennifer lopez diet.

 

[Seduce]

The only thing doctors care about is themselves. They are (almost) all assholes.

I can't afford a nutritionist, and when I had insurance, they wouldn't cover one.

I also can't afford to have a nurse come to my house. And I guarantee if I had insurance they wouldn't cover it.

As for quickening my metabolism, I've tried a few of them and they didn't work. I've tried chromium piclinate, and another that I can't remember the name of. Frankly, if I knew FOR SURE that something would work, I'd borrow the money to get it, but I'm sick of buying things that do shit for me.

I just pray that I get on ssi, cause then I'll get medicaid, and once I get medicaid I can get suplimental insurance to go with it. And the suplimental insurance doesn't ask about health problems, so chances are that I'll get accepted. (If they did, their's no way in hell I'd get it.)

And for those of you who didn't catch it, you have to have the money for really good insurance to get healthcare that addresses the problem, not the symptoms. I don't care whether what they do to our healthcare system, just as long as they do something. Right now I've been without my Imuran for a week. Know why? I can't get insurance, and I don't have the money.

I am very sorry to hear that graceanne....... really.
I dont know much of American healthcare system for I live in Germany. Still, I dont trust German doctors one little bit...... I have my trusted ones back home in Croatia and when I have any health troubles I go there.
We do have very good doctors.

The point is my that German insurance pays for it gladly...... it costs them less if I visit dr in Croatia then in Germany and since our two countries have medical care contract it is no problem at all.

I really cannot imagine how hard it must be to get sick and have no insurance

 

[Betticus]

Hi Graceanne!

Just to let you know one of the articles that I read up on about fats mentioned chrons disease.

Something along the lines of agricultural pesticides and consumption of incompatible fats/carbs throwing off your hormonal balance. It also mentioned allergies.

It wasn't necessarily a shill for coconut oil but more along the lines of what happens in the human body when you eat foods that end up being mildly toxic to you for long periods of time.

I was fucking around and made my own coconut oil, got almost a whole cup of the stuff from one coconut. Might just be worth eating some fresh coconut as it's a bit labor intensive. I haven't tried it yet but I'll post about it.

Right now I really need to stop doing things that are bad for me like the damn cigarettes and alcohol. Everything else in my diet is asininely healthy except for the fact that I'm not eating much at all and it's slowing my metabolism.

Here are some links, as promised

http://www.mercola.com/2003/nov/8/thyroid_health.htm

http://www.mercola.com/2002/oct/19/thyroid_balance.htm

 

[Betticus]

http://health.yahoo.com/ate/drweil/alldaily/2003/12/316479

I did some digging and found this I don't know if it's the sort of thing you were wishing to discuss? Before this I found loads of adverts promoting coconut oil as the new diet...suggestions of a teaspoon full before each meal even was mentioned. Yuck.

Hope it helps.

Read the mercola link that I posted. It addresses a lot of things that were not mentioned in the Yahoo article.

The stuff about long chain triglycerides interfering with thyroid function is interesting as well as the effect on the liver's ability to convert t4 hormone to t3, etc, etc... It just goes on and on.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

... A healthy lifestyle is a heck of a lot better than any thing else you can buy ...

Amazing how the simple things are always hard, and the hard things always simple.

B ... if you want a nightmare, read the latest on trans fats. The recent "eat this and you die of cancer" study alarmed the medical community enough to pressure the FDA into forcing food producers to put trans fat contents on the label by 2006.

Now for the good news. Virgin olive oil. The more extras you put in front the better. With any luck, the only use for Crisco will be as a prop on movies like Caligula. Think Florence Henderson can find new work?

 

[graceanne]

Gee, all i was trying to do was to say that the fad diets really tend to not work. A healthy lifestyle is a heck of a lot better than any thing else you can buy your way into.

You know you body better than i do, but i think for most people this makes more sense than that low carb south beach oprah scarsdale grapefruit jennifer lopez diet.

Sorry if I was snippy. I agree that fad diets don't work, it's why I don't do them. But healthy people don't seem to realize that sometimes it doesn't matter what you do, you're not gonna loose any weight. So next time you (general - not you specifically) see a fat person, remember, it doesn't necessarily mean that they're lazy pigs.

 

[arctic-stranger]

Sorry if I was snippy. I agree that fad diets don't work, it's why I don't do them. But healthy people don't seem to realize that sometimes it doesn't matter what you do, you're not gonna loose any weight. So next time you (general - not you specifically) see a fat person, remember, it doesn't necessarily mean that they're lazy pigs.

Well, i certainly did not mean anything offensive, so apology accepted. I see plenty of people at the athletic club who are over weight and i KNOW they work out often because i see them. My first thought is that i hope that can still feel good about themselves, because fat or skinny, they are taking care of themselves, and that is the important thing.

The french girl could chime in here if she wanted, because we have had a few varietions of this conversation, but for the record i certainly dont think skinny people are any more healthy than fat people. I used to be a very skinny person, which was due more to cigarettes and drugs than a healthy diet and exercise.

And for the record, i think a woman that has more than skin and bones, can be VERY sexy.

 

[Betticus]

Amazing how the simple things are always hard, and the hard things always simple.

B ... if you want a nightmare, read the latest on trans fats. The recent "eat this and you die of cancer" study alarmed the medical community enough to pressure the FDA into forcing food producers to put trans fat contents on the label by 2006.

Now for the good news. Virgin olive oil. The more extras you put in front the better. With any luck, the only use for Crisco will be as a prop on movies like Caligula. Think Florence Henderson can find new work?

I had a horrific dream the other night where trans fats were chasing me through a field of tootsie rolls and twinkies.

When I'm sober sometime next week I'll try the coconut oil thing out and report back.

Okay, when I'm sober tomorrow. I've been so incredibly fucking stupid lately. I don't know how I survived.

Here are the cliffs notes: https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=341209

 

[serijules]

Well, i certainly did not mean anything offensive, so apology accepted. I see plenty of people at the athletic club who are over weight and i KNOW they work out often because i see them. My first thought is that i hope that can still feel good about themselves, because fat or skinny, they are taking care of themselves, and that is the important thing.

I'm one of those fat people you'd see at the gym. I go 4-5 times a week for an hour to swim and do river walking or water aerobics. I can only do water-related exercise due to feet and knee problems, and sometimes even the river walking (walking in a shallow pool against currents for those of you unfamiliar with it...very very good exercise) bothers me so then I swim laps instead.

I get snotty comments from the buff/skinny people at the gym all the time. They don't realize I'm deaf and can read their lips across the pool or locker room. sigh...They just assume that I'm fat because I'm lazy, when the fact of the matter is I have PCOS and have been eating healthy and working out for years to little or no avail. It's very frustrating. It goes with the territory. I keep eating well and working out anyhow because I know it has to benefit me somehow. It's disheartening when people SEE me doing these things and still make comments, but I try to keep my spirits up because I don't give up, and that's saying a hell of a lot.

 

[Seduce]

Virgin olive oil. The more extras you put in front the better.

Being born and living almost all my life on Mediterranean coast, I used as much of olive oil I could get.
I didnt use anything else really.

But olive oil is fattening...... it does wonders for your health condition in general, but when it comes to dieting it is no good - to much calories.

 

[Betticus]

Feeling good is the important thing. Leave the ignorant ones behind you, they are of no value.

 

[Betticus]

Being born and living almost all my life on Mediterranean coast, I used as much of olive oil I could get.
I didnt use anything else really.

But olive oil is fattening...... it does wonders for your health condition in general, but when it comes to dieting it is no good - to much calories.

Calorie restricted diets really don't do much for most people. When you take into account the monstrous effects of trans fats/veggie oils on your body then we are all pretty much fucked.

Unless you run your own certified organic farm. Or are wealthy enough to afford to buy those foods.

It seems that the pursuit of health is a damn losing battle. The odds are so stacked against you everywhere you go.

I bet if I stop smoking and drinking it would do wonders for me.

 

[Seduce]

Calorie restricted diets really don't do much for most people. When you take into account the monstrous effects of trans fats/veggie oils on your body then we are all pretty much fucked.

Unless you run your own certified organic farm. Or are wealthy enough to afford to buy those foods.

It seems that the pursuit of health is a damn losing battle. The odds are so stacked against you everywhere you go.

I bet if I stop smoking and drinking it would do wonders for me.

Lets presume we talk about relatively healthy people - I am - calorie restricted diets did wonders for me....... but you have to be very disciplined (and hungry all the time).

Funny you mentioning organic farms.... I had it...... spent all day long milking and running around my goats..... lost 20 kg in 6 months just taking care of damn beasts (dont get me wrong I love animals especially goats).
I got all that weight back when I changed lifestyle (although my spine is ruined forever).

 

[graceanne]

Calorie restricted diets really don't do much for most people. When you take into account the monstrous effects of trans fats/veggie oils on your body then we are all pretty much fucked.

Unless you run your own certified organic farm. Or are wealthy enough to afford to buy those foods.

It seems that the pursuit of health is a damn losing battle. The odds are so stacked against you everywhere you go.


I bet if I stop smoking and drinking it would do wonders for me.

Eventually, once you get past the cravings. But quiting smoking and drinking will give you a sweet tooth like you would not believe.

 

[sincerely_helene]

I don't agree that fad diets don't work. I just think it's a matter of finding the one that is right for your body. For diabetics, it might be sugar. For acid reflux sufferers, it might be caffine. For me, it tooks years to discover that white flour and potatoes cause weight issues no matter how much I excersise. By just cutting these two things (which has not been easy because I'm a potato, pasta, and rice lover,) I have been able to shed seven pounds in less than a month.

It may sound like an Atkins thing, but so be it. If omitting certain foods from my diet makes me look and feel better, I don't see how it can be such a bad thing.

Side note to Graceanne: When I was younger, I had mild anorexia but was able to keep losing weight. Now that I'm getting older, I'm finding not eating regularily does, in fact, put weight on as you mentioned. It must have something to do with metabolism slowing down.

 

[rosco rathbone]

I don't agree that fad diets don't work. I just think it's a matter of finding the one that is right for your body. For diabetics, it might be sugar. For acid reflux sufferers, it might be caffine. For me, it tooks years to discover that white flour and potatoes cause weight issues no matter how much I excersise. By just cutting these two things (which has not been easy because I'm a potato, pasta, and rice lover,) I have been able to shed seven pounds in less than a month.

It may sound like an Atkins thing, but so be it. If omitting certain foods from my diet makes me look and feel better, I don't see how it can be such a bad thing.

Side note to Graceanne: When I was younger, I had mild anorexia but was able to keep losing weight. Now that I'm getting older, I'm finding not eating regularily does, in fact, put weight on as you mentioned. It must have something to do with metabolism slowing down.

There is a bird on your head.

 

[AngelicAssassin]

But olive oil is fattening...... it does wonders for your health condition in general, but when it comes to dieting it is no good - to much calories.

First, everything in moderation.

Second, to lose weight, burn more than you eat.

For those that can't find time to exercise, or break out in hives even thinking about it, pause the next time you start to do something the easy way. i understand some, for health reasons, can't comply, but try a few of these. Walk that one flight of stairs to the next floor instead of riding the elevator. Put the phone down and walk over to the callee's cube/office. Instead of asking for someone to hand you something, get up and get it yourself. Sounds like little things, but little things add up and drop weight.

 

[sincerely_helene]

There is a bird on your head.

Does that qualify me as a bird-brain?