The United States Is Defeated

[makofin]

The time has come to admit defeat. The U.S. was once condidered to be a superpower, and the strongest, richest powerful nation in the world. What a joke it has become. The left, pacifists and liberal democrats are far more concerned with protecting the rights of criminals, terroists, minority's [ of which I am one] and illegal emigrants than defending OUR own country and principles.

The Senate has overturned the Patriot Act. I understand this goes againest the civil liberties of the average American citizen, but, it was never intended to prosecute any minor illegal activities, or invade the privacy of any forthright, decent, law abiding American. It was inacted to fight the terroist cells that are active or inactive within the U. S. It was directed to go after the money and groups that finance the foriegn terror groups like the hijackers on 9/11. It was successful in preventing several plots, such as the planned bombing of LaX and the Brooklyn Bridge, plus smaller attempts againest gas stations, shopping malls...an organized terror group was uncovered in Oregon, North Carolina, and California, at the least. Not to mention plots worldwide.

If, any such security or act was in place before 9/11, or the FBI, NAS, the CIA had the power and means to do their job, the Twin Towers may have not happened. True, that is debatable. Instead the Democrats spent millions of dollars to find out what went wrong, and ever since have waged a war upon Bush and the Republicans, out of spite to each other, meanwhile allowing the true enemy of the US, the terroists, Islamatic fanatics, suicide bombers, ect, people who have no decency or respect for human life, who kill and maim innocent woman and children. These are the fucks the American pacifist, left, liberal, hollywood, media , bleeding heart, anything anti American would rather defend. And WHO will be the first to bitch and moan, cry and say whose fault it is that an American city was bombed again, more innocent Americans were killed because we lacked security ? Nah, the foolish, arrogant Americans were too busy fighting amongest themselves. I, myself don't like Bush, mainly because he sold out to the Hispanic vote, and refuses to do anything about the illegal immigration problem, something that hits a little closer to home out here in the Southwest, but still, we are fighting a common but elusive enemy,[ Islam] who by the way, deserves no quarter.

The people of the US are no longer able to wage a war. Not our military, who are forced to fight with their hands tied behind their backs, betrayed by the likes of Murtha, Kerry, Clinton, the media and press, and now John Mc Cain. All is fair in love and war, remember ?The U S military don't need no rules of engagement, made up by some wimpy, old senile armchair warriors !

No wonder the rest of the world laughs at the U. S. Why don't you pacifist, anti war fucks do something useful for a change, maybe go over there and beg and plead for peace, and try to reason with those fanatics. Keep kissing their ass and protecting their civil rights. Sell out Isreal to Iran. Make like a European. [ France ]

Do us a favor. Deport yourself, and take LT with you.

 

[Morwen]

I don't see how you can say such things when the Republicans control the Presidency, the Senate, and the House. It's clear false.

If this Republican Administration is not hard right enough for you, you can either move to Israel, join a commune, and tote a submachinegun, or sink into the great American west and join one of the radical rightist militia movements.

Otherwise I can't really make sense of your post.

 

[makofin]

I don't see how you can say such things when the Republicans control the Presidency, the Senate, and the House. It's clear false.

If this Republican Administration is not hard right enough for you, you can either move to Israel, join a commune, and tote a submachinegun, or sink into the great American west and join one of the radical rightist militia movements.

Otherwise I can't really make sense of your post.

thanks for responding Morwen.

I already live in the great American west, belong to the great Kiowa Nation, am a veteran of the military, own several weapons, and do belong to a militia , which is neither left nor right, it is the called the Minutemen. I am neither a fucking Replubican or Democrat, but use to believe that the US could defeat the Islamatic terroists, but now I do not think that is possible, due to the weakness and internal conflicts between the American people themselves. I blame the pacifists, and the Democrats who have torn this country apart.

Therefor, from now on, I consider it every man or woman for themselves.

 

[Cap’n AMatrixca]

I share your emotion.

It should be clear to you now, despite their loudness and persistance that the Left can't "win" any battle because they cannot define victory any more than a Liberal social program will ever have success.

You just keep moving the goal posts. It's a strategy which is costing them elections, so just give 'em the rope and smile. Try to teach them the old Injun trick of pissing up it while you're at it...

 

[GeorgeWBush]

The republican party is just at fault with what is wrong with this country as the democrats. The repbulican party think they are gods and want to control the world under a new world order plan run by bush and his fellow dictators.

 

[sticky_keyboard]

Mark yesterday's date on your calendar. That way, when the next attack on US soil happens, you'll remember when Russ Feingold and the other idiots in Congress passed the Al Qaeda Bill of Rights.

 

[garbage can]

I already live in the great American west, belong to the great Kiowa Nation, am a veteran of the military, own several weapons, and do belong to a militia , which is neither left nor right, it is the called the Minutemen. I am neither a fucking Replubican or Democrat, but use to believe that the US could defeat the Islamatic terroists, but now I do not think that is possible, due to the weakness and internal conflicts between the American people themselves. I blame the pacifists, and the Democrats who have torn this country apart.

I congratulate you for being a minuteman.

Yes, thanks to the socialist, pacifist military haters in the U.S., The price of victory has gone up.

 

[landslider2000]

Kerry spent 3 months on a boat in Vietnam. He saw not one incident of rape, torture, or genocide. Kerry then testified to Congress in April 1971 that rape, torture, and genocide were common.

 

[garbage can]

Kerry spent 3 months on a boat in Vietnam. He saw not one incident of rape, torture, or genocide. Kerry then testified to Congress in April 1971 that rape, torture, and genocide were common.

Yes, and Kerry, just recently, accused our troops of terrorizing and killing woman and children.

I believe he's Instinctivly anti military.

 

[LukkyKnight]

The time has come to admit defeat...

Have you not argued that making such statements is tantamount to offering encouragement to the enemies your participation in your militia is designed to thwart, and as such bad for the morale of the men and women serving in the various branches of the officially constituted military forces of the USA?

Shall we brand your treasonous? Remember the punishment for treason during time of war, even if and when you think the outcome is defeat.

Will you now resign from your militia in pursuit of your every man for himself proclamation? That would be the logically consistent extension of your stated position.

Have you followed any of this through in your head?

 

[LukkyKnight]

Yes, and Kerry, just recently, accused our troops of terrorizing and killing woman and children...

Nice try at taking it out of context, but that tactic/position has already been adequately debated in many places, not just Lit. Feel free to argue that it's not terrorizing to have armed men break into your home while you're asleep until you're blue in the face, however. Stupidity in and of itself is not a crime, so preach on.

 

[garbage can]

however. Stupidity in and of itself is not a crime, so preach on.

You hit the nail right on the head.

 

[LukkyKnight]

Here's a simple, hurried example of how taking a quote out of context works, for those not familiar with (or adept at) the process. Note I trimmed ONLY from both ends, making no other changes.

...terrorizing and killing woman and children.

I believe...

These are words direct from the one who calls himself garbage can. He seems to have selected an apt moniker.

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[garbage can]

Here's a simple, hurried example of how taking a quote out of context works, for those not familiar with (or adept at) the process. Note I trimmed ONLY from both ends, making no other changes.
These are words direct from the one who calls himself garbage can. He seems to have selected an apt moniker.

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Nice try LukkyKnight, but you failed miserably.

Please continue to pamper the enemy, it makes for good conversation.

And Oh, BTW, I respect you, but I don't respect your ideology, but I never hold ideologies against anyone.

Cheers

 

[makofin]

Have you not argued that making such statements is tantamount to offering encouragement to the enemies your participation in your militia is designed to thwart, and as such bad for the morale of the men and women serving in the various branches of the officially constituted military forces of the USA?

Shall we brand your treasonous? Remember the punishment for treason during time of war, even if and when you think the outcome is defeat.

Will you now resign from your militia in pursuit of your every man for himself proclamation? That would be the logically consistent extension of your stated position.

Have you followed any of this through in your head?

Treason ? You must be speaking of the Democatic party and every pacifist who supports them. They are so full of hate for Bush and his administration, that they let their politics come first, before the welfare and security of the American people. They have wasted millions of dollars, playing the blame game, by trying to find out whose fault it was that 9/11 happened, ready to accuse other Americans, which further divided the nation, instead of facing reality and fighting the real threat...the guilty party- Islam and the 19 Muslim hijackers.

The Democrats and their pacifist, antiwar supporters have come close to destroying the US military with their so called rules of engagement, finding laws and excuses to protect the enemy, who are ruthless and do not play by any set of rules. We have brought criminal charges against our own troops for doing their job, something they are trained to do, and must do to survive. The US media betrays them by showing a young, twenty year old soldier, scared out of his wits, who shoots a wounded terrorist. God forbid, he disrespected a terrorist's civil rights and didn't give him a fair American trail, before he put him out of his misery. Why only yesterday, the son of a bitch freedom fighter probably killed two of his buddies.

Or lets bring charges against the US soldiers who burned some dead Taliban bodies and dared the hiding Talban to come out and play. As far as I'm concerned, they all deserve medals for bravery and using brillant tactics.

And yes I am discouraged, disgusted, and disillusioned with the goverment. As far as the militia goes, we are not being paid to protect the border. We are labeled as racists and bigots by the paccy's, and the ACLU . They are more interested in defending an illegals civil rights than the citizens and communties in the border states, who have to pay for the welfare benefits and skyrocketing medical costs of these foriegners. Not to mention the criminals that the US incarcerates in prison. Be an illegal in California, and you can go to college for almost free, while middle class and lower income Americans are strapped with 50 thousand dollar loans for years to come.

To date, none of the militia aka Minutemen have not shot or killed anyone. They have saved thousands from dying of thirst and heat or exposure exhaustion.

 

[woody54]

Kerry spent 3 months on a boat in Vietnam. He saw not one incident of rape, torture, or genocide. Kerry then testified to Congress in April 1971 that rape, torture, and genocide were common.

George Bush dropped out of sight in his service stint and no-one saw HIM hiding out in the American countryside.

Even now, it takes an act of God to get him to front up at a Congressional hearing.

 

[woody54]

Nice try LukkyKnight, but you failed miserably.

Please continue to pamper the enemy, it makes for good conversation.

And Oh, BTW, I respect you, but I don't respect your ideology, but I never hold ideologies against anyone.

Cheers

The worrying aspect of America's direction is actually in defining the enemy.
You havent... you just want to hurt someone but you dont know who it is. Such is the ridiculousness of the Minutemen, just a dangerous gang like Hitler's SA.
A war on Terrorism is nonspecific so any fruitcale politician can declare any and all ctritics "terrorists" as Bush America does, yet the weight of evidence proves it is his government promoting the bulk of the terrorism in the world.

ON one hand you have the US military machine "defending the homeland" by laying waste to non threatening countries and you have the CIA funding and making alliances with the very people promoted as the evildoers.

The hypocrisy in this position is something missed by rightwingnuts.

But it amuses me that those who fight to protect the standards of decent behaviour developed in our modern world are being attacked by the rightwing who want to drag us back to feudalism.

After 5 years in full power, the Republicans should just give up whining about the Left and start selling the good they percieve they are doing.
The inability to do so indicates the shallow self interest of those in charge and shows a mental disconnect from the reality of their policies by the Republican supporters that Bush's world will treat just as inconsequentially as the Leftists.

 

[snojo]

And here I thought Canada finally took you over....



A man can dream can't he?

 

[woody54]

. We have brought criminal charges against our own troops for doing their job, something they are trained to do, and must do to survive. The US media betrays them by showing a young, twenty year old soldier, scared out of his wits, who shoots a wounded terrorist. God forbid, he disrespected a terrorist's civil rights and didn't give him a fair American trail, before he put him out of his misery. Why only yesterday, the son of a bitch freedom fighter probably killed two of his buddies.

You are a liar and a scumbag for even thinking this and its disturbing how a lifetime of decency conditioning by the American system is so easily dismissed with some radical rightwing brainwashing.

The Military Law and US Law control US Soldiers actions. They have to break the rules to be charged in court and the torture scandal in Iraq demonstrates how much leniency is shown when it is in the interest of the Military to stretch the rules.

Your TV murderer may well have been operating under "take no prisoners "
orders because it was Fallujah and the US returned to the pits of depravity in that action but the guy wasnt under threat and the victim was obviously inert and no risk. This is the standard Bush's war on terror wants as standard procedure.

Anyone who breaks the laws they vowed to uphold, deserves to fair trial and suffer the appropriate consequences. If its a bogus charge, they will be freed.

There are rules of engagement but the US application of them was criticised even by the British who intimated Iraqis were treated as an underclass.
This totalitarian attitude is in stark contrast to the publicly vaunted decency of modern America. If barbarian hordes was your view of engagement, you were born 200 years too late, when you could scalp you victims as well.

 

[woody54]

And yes I am discouraged, disgusted, and disillusioned with the goverment.

Oh fuck me, you are just a whiner who doesnt know who to hate.

You hate the Left and you despise the right, where does that leave a barbarian without a clue?

 

[Slowlane]

I certainly don’t agree with all it, makofin, but all together not bad.

 

[Slowlane]

And here I thought Canada finally took you over....



A man can dream can't he?

It was close – that last surge of cold Canadian air you hit us with almost got us. If natural gas prices had been just a little higher you'd have won.

 

[woody54]

I certainly don’t agree with all it, makofin, but all together not bad.

So you applaud turning the US into another China or Israel then?

You cant retrench liberties and not go in that direction.
Allowing cowboy gangs with guns any legitimacy is a dangerous precedent to the rule of law. Perhaps you prefer that form of random chaos.

 

[LukkyKnight]

Treason ? You must be speaking of the Democatic party and every pacifist who supports them. They are so full of hate for Bush and his administration, that they let their politics come first, before the welfare and security of the American people. They have wasted millions of dollars, playing the blame game, by trying to find out whose fault it was that 9/11 happened, ready to accuse other Americans, which further divided the nation, instead of facing reality and fighting the real threat...the guilty party- Islam and the 19 Muslim hijackers.

The Democrats and their pacifist, antiwar supporters have come close to destroying the US military with their so called rules of engagement...

To date, none of the militia aka Minutemen have not shot or killed anyone. They have saved thousands from dying of thirst and heat or exposure exhaustion.

So, in other words, to return to the questions I asked you: making such statements is tantamount to offering encouragement to the enemies your participation in your militia is designed to thwart, and as such bad for the morale of the men and women serving in the various branches of the officially constituted military forces of the USA, but you prefer to think of others as treasonous?


However, you will not now resign from your militia in pursuit of your every man for himself proclamation, despite the fact it's the be logical behavior based on your stated "every man for himself" position.

Clearly, fin, you demonstrate that you are not following any path of reason from your treasonous surrender to the logical consequences this mandates for your own behavior(s). You can't have it both ways.

 

[Slowlane]

So you applaud turning the US into another China or Israel then?

You cant retrench liberties and not go in that direction.
Allowing cowboy gangs with guns any legitimacy is a dangerous precedent to the rule of law. Perhaps you prefer that form of random chaos.

If I were you (thank goodness I’m not) and I wanted that information I would have said something like “What parts do you disagree with” Then, being me, I might have chosen to answer. Instead, you chose your usual abrasive and argumentative style. Oh well.

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