The UK's Ministry of Defence have been asked to...

[p_p_man]

do more to stop our men being killed by American 'friendly' fire, or as I would put it, gross incompetence.

More Brits were killed during the Gulf War by the Yanks than by the Iraqi's.

I suppose a letter from Blair to George asking him to be more careful in the future might help...

Myself I reckon the families of the murdered should slap a law suit against the American Government and claim massive damages.

ppman

 

[Freya]

Yes, they could join the one that the 4 Canadians' families should be starting...but probably won't because god forfuckinbid Canadians actually speak up for themselves for once.

 

[modest mouse]

Last time I checked England wasnt speaking German.

Smarten the fuck up.

 

[p_p_man]

Last time I checked England wasnt speaking German.

Smarten the fuck up.

That is a typical fucking stupid American remark spoken from the mouth of a Neanderthal...

ppman

 

[modest mouse]

Of course.

Shit hapens. Combat is ugly. War is a disaster managed by humans. The fact that friendly fire kills is no surprise. Americans killed Brits. Ok.

I thought it was all for a common cause. BUt if you want to Be English before you stand up for waht is right, so be it.

The point is that if you join the military, go to war, and get shot. You kinda new the dangers. It may be unknown to civilians but freindly fire is part of war. Always has been.

If a Brit killed a Brit that would be better?

Do we need to break up the rank and file so we can keep it all kosher?

I would bet the Brit soldiers would take offense at being treated like victims by you, pp man.

 

[Freya]

It would be an entirely different situation altogether if it weren't caused by incompetence.


Of course, it would be an entirely different situation were the sides reversed and a Brit or Canadian killed an American.

 

[p_p_man]

Of course, it would be an entirely different situation were the sides reversed and a Brit or Canadian killed an American.

Of course...

Then we wouldn't hear the last of it as the Americans jump up and down brandishing their little fists and screaming "We demand revenge!"

As it happens it wasn't so the best they can come up with is, "Shit happens".

Then they wonder why they're not universally loved...

ppman

 

[HeavyStick]

Any loss of life is a shame, but to expect a surgical precision cut in combat is asking the impossible.

CNN makes war seem nicer and more exact than what it really is.

 

[bored1]

Of course...

Then we wouldn't hear the last of it as the Americans jump up and down brandishing their little fists and screaming "We demand revenge!"

As it happens it wasn't so the best they can come up with is, "Shit happens".

Then they wonder why they're not universally loved...

ppman

Quess what p_pman? I dont give a shit that Americans are not universally loved. How is that EU Rapid Deployment Force coming? As soon as its ready to roll American troops can leave the Balkans and let you chaps pick up the slack.

 

[Weird Harold]

It would be an entirely different situation altogether if it weren't caused by incompetence.

That has got to be one of the most ignorant and uninformed opinons I've ever seen posted here.

Of course, it would be an entirely different situation were the sides reversed and a Brit or Canadian killed an American.

It never has been in the past -- WWII, Korea, Vietnam -- all involved "friendly fire" from American Allies against US forces. The American response was to acknowledge it happened, invesigate the causes and take steps to avoid it in future.

In other words, pretty much what happened about the Gulf War friendly fire incidents.

PS: The USA doesn't have an "Official Secrets Act" so most of our friendly fire incidents get some publicity, unlike British and Canadians incidents. Done any serious research on the Falklands war lately?

 

[bknight2602]

do more to stop our men being killed by American 'friendly' fire, or as I would put it, gross incompetence.

More Brits were killed during the Gulf War by the Yanks than by the Iraqi's.

I suppose a letter from Blair to George asking him to be more careful in the future might help...

Myself I reckon the families of the murdered should slap a law suit against the American Government and claim massive damages.

ppman

Had you any experience with battle situations, you would find chaos rules the battlefield. It is unfortunate that friendly troops die in battle, but when dealing with deadly force accidents can/will happen. The best defense is to get and obtain good intelligence and have good communications with all friendly unit.

 

[HeavyStick]

Re: Re: The UK's Ministry of Defence have been asked to...

The best defense is to get and obtain good intelligence and have good communications with all friendly unit.

Unfortunately bk, when a unit goes on the offensive, you can throw out all the intel in the world. Human nature and individual action is unpredictable in a stressful environment like combat.

 

[p_p_man]

Re: Re: The UK's Ministry of Defence have been asked to...

Had you any experience with battle situations, you would find chaos rules the battlefield.

Yeah sure it does. Let's take one incident in the Gulf War when 6 or 10 of our boys (I can't remember exactly how many) were in their tank, miles away from any front line battle 'chaos', with Allied Markings in full view, in daylight, surrounded by nothing but sand when...

Out of the perfect visibility sky came an A-10 Tank Blaster and threw a lot of parents into inconsoluble grief...

Chaos? Bollocks!

The blood lust Rambo psyche? Definitely...

ppman

 

[9.In.Member]

Class Action LS

Unfortunatly Law Suits seem to be the only language that many Americans seem to understand (ex... Judge Judy, Judge Mill Lanes, and the 11 other "JUDGE" shows).

And to my knowkedge an official investigation is under way by a joint commitee of both Canadian and American politician's.

So that means that we can look forward to our Canadian government backing down to the Americans (yet again)!!!

But in all honesty NOT ALL Americans are like that!!!

Don't let a few rotten apples leave a bad taiste in your mouth.

Thats just my view on this subject.

 

[Bob_Bytchin]

PP, are you aware that onboard computers in Allied vehicles, jets, helicopters, etc... use a system called "Friend or Foe"? I believe that I had read that 95%+ of "Friendly Fire" deaths were caused because the stupid-fucks in the vehicles had either turned off the system or disabled the system altogether. So your friendly fire deaths were caused by your incompitence, not ours.

 

[bored1]

Re: Re: Re: The UK's Ministry of Defence have been asked to...

Yeah sure it does. Let's take one incident in the Gulf War when 6 or 10 of our boys (I can't remember exactly how many) were in their tank, miles away from any front line battle 'chaos', with Allied Markings in full view, in daylight, surrounded by nothing but sand when...

Out of the perfect visibility sky came an A-10 Tank Blaster and threw a lot of parents into inconsoluble grief...

Chaos? Bollocks!

The blood lust Rambo psyche? Definitely...

ppman

Absolutely right p_pman......Those murderous pilots woke up that fateful morning and said........"I cant wait to kill some friendly troops today" Yes sir they did it entirerly on purpose.

 

[HeavyStick]

So the Brits were there for the scenery?

You spout half facts and can't remember all the details. That's informative, and does nothing to prove your point. Lets all lay down our arms and see what happens to the world in a week... month... year?

It is truly a shame it was friendly fire that your soldiers lost thier lives. Regardless of what country a soldier dies for, if he can look down from the heavens and see his sacrifice was a benefit to someone on his side of the conflict. He'll know he did not die in vain.

 

[HeavyStick]

Re: Class Action LS

Unfortunatly Law Suits seem to be the only language that many Americans seem to understand (ex... Judge Judy, Judge Mill Lanes, and the 11 other "JUDGE" shows).



Don't let a few rotten apples leave a bad taiste in your mouth.

Thats just my view on this subject.

After the OJ trial some people find justice by attacking the wallet. It is pathetic for it to resort to that. I am happy to hear the "winners" of these lawsuits turn the cash over to charities.

Victory has many faces.

 

[iwmggw]

no debate peepee

Sir....you are a fucktard. Your attempts become more pathetic, and your ignorance shows, everytime you post about a combat situation............you know less than nothing. If you had ever been in combat, and were as idiotic as you sound here....I'd hazard a guess that you would've become a victim of " directed " friendly fire (fragging). Thats were your own troops blow you away......before you got them all killed. I know you don't care about me or what I think ( I care even less about you). However, I do care about the troops that were killed.......and the great disservice your putrid little thread, does them. You dishonor the British troops.....with your absurd assertions.......... My daddy used to say.."There are more horses asses, than there are horses." You are proof positive of that. One more thing.....thanks for constantly showing your small heart and twisted soul........with the myriad of lunatic threads you produce.

 

[HeavyStick]

PP, are you aware that onboard computers in Allied vehicles, jets, helicopters, etc... use a system called "Friend or Foe"? I believe that I had read that 95%+ of "Friendly Fire" deaths were caused because the stupid-fucks in the vehicles had either turned off the system or disabled the system altogether. So your friendly fire deaths were caused by your incompitence, not ours.

*disclaimer* I'm not defending p p man

alot of forces have these and don't use them. The reason being. The Chinese, Indians and Iranians (among others) have electronic sensors they are using to snoop on the current conflict. The GPS encryption and Friend or Foe technology is among the most guarded secrets in the NATO arsenal.

 

[Bob_Bytchin]

Completely understood, but everyone was informed that we were flying on "Friend or Foe."

I'm sure that if you check, you will find that at least 95% of the Friendly Fire deaths were caused because of this. On the modern battlefield, as I'm sure you know, you only have split seconds to react....esp when flying in an aircraft. You have to use your own judgement, and sometimes that judgement proves wrong. Casualties of war aren't pretty, esp when they are caused by your allies. But every war has its share.

 

[p_p_man]

Regardless of what country a soldier dies for, if he can look down from the heavens and see his sacrifice was a benefit to someone on his side of the conflict. He'll know he did not die in vain.

Oh for fuck's sake that type of sentimental drivel is pure rubbish and you know it...

Your comment is more reminiscent of when war was considered glorious and men died for King and Country and poets like Longfellow and Lord Byron romanticised the whole sorry mess.

And I was under the impression that Americans were more hard-headed and realistic than that...

Look down from heaven indeed...Jeez...

ppman

 

[HeavyStick]

How should soldiers view their sacrifice?

 

[REDWAVE]

All war must end

Of all the euphemisms of war, "friendly fire" is the most grotesque. All wars must end, and end soon-- or else they will be the end of us.

 

[p_p_man]

How should soldiers view their sacrifice?

As being dead for the sake of the politicians is good for starters.

ppman