The Ukraine vs. U.S.A. Mutant Chickens

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Tastes Like (Mutant) Chicken - The great McDonald's diet test, and why Ukrainians won't touch your buffalo wings

By Mark Morford, SF Gate Columnist

So then from way, way over there in Ukraine comes this hilarious bit about how the country's customs officials just confiscated a whopping 19 tons of frozen U.S. chicken parts that smugglers claimed was sugar.

That's right: The crooks were trying to smuggle American-grown chicken into Ukraine territory, which is all well and good except it's very illegal, given how the U.S. genetically modifies billions of its chickens and injects them with hormones and chemicals and toxins and feeds them ground-up chicken parts mixed with chicken feces and saws off their beaks and packs them by the tens of thousands into tiny nauseating disease-ridden cages in massive "Matrix"-like hellhole factory farms and treats them worse than you treat a skin boil.

Ukraine refuses to take this crap. U.S. officials insist our factory-farmed chicken is safe to eat. Ukrainian officials look at U.S. officials like they are childish Neanderthal idiots who must take the Ukrainian officials to be simpletons and fools.

U.S. officials sneer and pout and stamp their feet and say eat our stupid noxious chicken parts goddammit. Ukrainian officials note how most of the U.S. officials are pale and sickly and obese and diabetic and precancerous and impotent and prematurely balding and sort of homely and piggish, and how seven of them just dropped dead on the spot from heart attacks just from stomping their angry little feet like that because they've eaten so many toxic chicken parts and now their bodies are saying, you know, screw you, I'm outta here.

America, of course, does not give a damn about Ukraine. America laughs at such petty Euro foolishness, as we slaughter billions of toxic hormoned chickens a year and happily munch away on fried/liquefied/reconstituted/McNuggeted garbage food by the ton and say see? See Ukrainian snob fools? We aren't dropping dead! We are just fine! Ha! We are still big strong superpower, cough cough groan hack spit!

Except that we're not. Except that every day millions in this country wonder why they feel so sluggish and drained and ill, or why cancer and diabetes and heart disease and a thousand other ailments plague our big healthy superpower nation, when in fact much of the answer is right there, in our little Styrofoam boxes and in that greasy paper bucket or in that Safeway grocery bag or wrapped in that oily paper with all the little taco logos all over it. Our nation wears its denial like a bad neon suit.
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We consume, by the truckload, what most of civilized Europe considers toxic contraband, on a par with heroin or kiddie porn or Lynne Cheney. We consider ourselves omnipotent and untouchable and the world's paragon of virile capitalist vitality, when in fact the world sees us as this giant flaccid flabby glutton who blindly believes everything the McDonald's marketing slogans spits our way. I'm lovin' it!

We hear what we want to hear. The nastiest and most powerful and most flagrant abusers of impotent FDA regulation, such as Monsanto and ConAgra and Iowa Beef Packers, will grin sinisterly and tell you it's all fine and there's nothing wrong with genetic engineering and hormones and radiated meats, even as they quietly recall another 10 million tons of E. coli-laden beef and pick their teeth with the bones of your sick children.

Irony bonus round: Ukraine, by comparison to America, suffers from a huge array of social woes, economic and environmental and social. It is unstable and somewhat desperate, still recovering from the Chernobyl reactor meltdown and from dissing angry Mother Russia a decade back and trying to go it alone.

They are a nation in turmoil. They are developing and recovering and little like the bright and powerful USA. And, yet, even Ukraine won't eat our damn chicken. Gosh, we say, what the hell is wrong with them?

Gosh, we should be saying, what the hell is wrong with us?

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I always choose Swedish meat in the shop, even though the one from Ireland/New Zealand/Denmark is cheaper, I gladly pay extra for eggs laid by free range - hens, and I look not only for the Low Fat - sign, but also for the Ecologically Grown - sign.

In fact, the only American meat I ever eat, is Hubby's salami.:eek:
 
I'd read about "Super Size Me" yesterday. It was a smash success at Sundance....

A Q&A with the director/star: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4078903/


Last week I was listening to NPR and they were running a story on the costs of genetically altered meats vs. other methods. The main guest was making the point that perhaps the price of gen altered meat is cheaper at the grocery store but that only looks at a small part of the equation.. you also need to look at the effects of creating super-vaccinated animals and what this can do to the effects of health care costs in humans, as well as other costs that must be considered... hmm.. maybe i can find the info on the NPR website.. it was an interesting program.


Personally, I favor sustained agriculture and locally raised and farmed foods. I will admit to buying meats and such when on sale at the store that don't meet my normal preferences but for the most part, I find the taste of locally grown/raised meat and other food puts any cost increase well worth it.

Then again, some consider me snobby about my food.
 
Lo lover

Hello Purdy darling:rose: :D

So like these genetically altered chickens, umm, like what did they used to be?

I'd hate to go into Mc wottsits tomorrow and know I'm actually eating a Mc Rat sandwich or something more distasteful.

We too are fussy and prefer home grown modified foods. I never use Mc wottsits or any other fast food craphouse. I much prefer Bettie's Burger van down on the Industrial park, at least you can see her wash her hands regularly and watch her cook your burger in front of you.
 
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pop_54 said:
Hello Purdy darling:rose: :D

So like these genetically altered chickens, umm, like what did they used to be?

I'd hate to go into Mc wottsits tomorrow and know I'm actually eating a Mc Rat sandwich or something more distasteful.

We too are fussy and prefer home grown modified foods. I never use Mc wottsits or any other fast food craphouse. I much prefer Bettie's Burger van down on the Industrial park, at least you can see her wash her hands regularly and watch her cook your burger in front of you.

Maybe so, but you don't know if she is a typhoid carrier and you don't know what is in the hamburger she is cooking. :mad:
 
perdita said:
eat our stupid noxious chicken parts goddammit.

If I were an exporter of chickens, this is what I would want on my business cards.

:devil:

This was a quicker read that Fast Food Nation, and just as effective. I was eating my chicken sandwich from Pollo Tropical when i read this post, and now I don't want anymore.

Okay. No burgers, no chicken sandwich. Will someone please open a fast-food chain with a drive-thru that offers free-range mcnuggets? According to Fast Food Nation, McDonalds - which is the major buyer of beef in the U.S., of course - in an effort to keep prices down and offer us those 99-cent cheeseburgers, uses its influence with gov't regulators to keep "kill rates" higher at U.S. slaughterhouses than in any other industrialized nation. In Australia, for example, there is a maximum legal kill rate of beef cattle of something like one-tenth the number that are killed in the same amount of time in the U.S. This results in unsavory meat-handling practices as you would expect, but also in speed-related injuries to animals that are too horrific to mention here. Suffice it to say that when you have lots of machines and lots of exhausted people trying to kill the maximum legal number of frightened animals, and the number is extraordinarily high as it is in the U.S., not everything is as dead as it should be at certain points along the line.

I recommend the book to anybody who wants a reason to give up the Big Mac habit and doesn't want to rely on willpower. You won't need any. I was listening to the audio version during a long car trip, and found myself pulling into McDonalds to order a yogurt parfait and a Diet Coke. I love cheeseburgers, but you couldn't have forcefed me one after what I'd just been listening to. It might have mooed and caused me to wreck the car.
 
Well, Perdita, it does at least make the fate of those headless dancing chickens seem almost peaceful, doesn't it? At least I know that the chickens my sweet old Aunt Beth murdered with her bare hands lived a nice, chickenesque life up until that nightmarish afternoon. Better to stroll around the farm enjoying what amounts to a normal chicken social life, and then have your neck snapped by the old dear who used to sing to you as she scattered the feed, then to live in a box with your beak sawed off.

Maybe they danced out of gratitude.
 
ella, you just won't stop bringing up headless hens, will you? :p

I truly cannot recall the last time I had a McD's, only that it made me feel horrible for a day. I have no craving for fast-food either. I'm lucky though, the 'fast' food in my 'hood is all good homemade stuff from a variety of cultures, e.g., wonton soup, all manner of DimSum, middle-eastern mezze, etc. And when I do crave a hotdog I buy Kosher.

Perdita
 
I love your new AV, 'dita. Yeah, the nipple chick is cute, but your smiling face is always better. (Especially with the faint blue glow of the computer screen. :D) *ducks, runs*

- Mindy
 
Don't run, Min. That was sweet of you to say. Even Box complimented me. It's a webcam shot so not great. Gauche prefers no specs, Vincent likes the Mexchik, lots of people like the lips. Decisions, decisions... I'm making some fun AVs for Valentine-time.

Love the goose-bloom.

Perdita :kiss:
 
perdita said:
ella, you just won't stop bringing up headless hens, will you? :p

If they had stayed down in the first place, I wouldn't have a reason to bring them up.
 
perdita said:
Don't run, Min. That was sweet of you to say. Even Box complimented me. It's a webcam shot so not great. Gauche prefers no specs, Vincent likes the Mexchik, lots of people like the lips. Decisions, decisions... I'm making some fun AVs for Valentine-time.
Me too. It's truly amazing the outfits they make for geese. I can't decide between cupid or one with a red tux (with white hearts on the lapels, of course) and a top hat.

Love the goose-bloom.

Perdita :kiss:

My husband thought at first glance I made it with the photo editing software. He was appalled to learn that I downloaded the picture from one of the sites selling goose clothing & did absolutely nothing to it.

- Mindy, kind of sorry now I ever found the geese clothing. It's a sickness & I can't stop!
 
minsue said:
kind of sorry now I ever found the geese clothing. It's a sickness & I can't stop!
No, Min, it's a harmless and delightful fetish. Keep at it, I find the clothed geese endearing, vs. naked ones. Me, I'm so close to buying a plastic goose but I know I won't be able to buy only one outfit. Stop me, someone!

Perdita :rolleyes:
 
minsue said:
kind of sorry now I ever found the geese clothing. It's a sickness & I can't stop! [/

There's a rather frightening new book on the topic.

"DOWNERS: The Shameful Secret of Goose Clothing Addiction"
 
shereads said:
There's a rather frightening new book on the topic.

"DOWNERS: The Shameful Secret of Goose Clothing Addiction"

Quote from my hubby who looked over my shoulder to see why I was laughing:

That's bad. Very bad. Tell whoever did that they're very bad.


Then he left the room to go play EQ on his computer. :rolleyes: I have an odd marriage, but what the hell. It works. :D

- Mindy
 
now i feel like i'm stepping in the middle of a private conversation.. sorry... but, to go back to the thread topic...

"Fast Food Nation" was a great book.. but I find that people will not eat fast food for a week or two weeks but then after that, it's back to the norm. Even for those that swore off any McDs after reading it.

Also, in regards to the headless chickens... I think that people that are forced to process or at least know how their food is processed have more of a 'connect' with their food. I mean, it's one thing to go to McDonald's and eat a burger that's been processed five times till tuesday and have such a disassociation with their food. It's another to have seen a cattle heard and cattle factory. I think one of the problems with the American food chain is that we, as consumers, are so seperated from it. We are able to use purchasing power to disconnect with the very things that are essential to our own being. It's no wonder that this disconnect leads to problems.

I've got no problem with hunters that eat their food... fisherman that don't catch and release so long as they are taking their food home to eat. That connection with the circle of life is something I think our society very much so overlooks.

And with that, i'll return you to your goose clothing discussion, already in progress.

Park~

(oh.. and as an aside, Perdita, I like the spec pic as well... and if you're live anywhere near chinatown with those choices, i'm extremely jealous.. i keep telling myself i'll move to the city... some day)
 
Parklife said:
fisherman that don't catch and release so long as they are taking their food home to eat. That connection with the circle of life is something I think our society very much so overlooks.

A lot of people think catch-and-release is bogus, a p.r. gesture by the sport fishing industry. You put an exhausted fish with a bleeding mouth wound into the water and it's not likely to live very long.

Plus: ouch! First you hook my mouth, then you rip it out and put me in saltwater? Just kill me, okay?
 
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Parklife said:
now i feel like i'm stepping in the middle of a private conversation.. sorry... but, to go back to the thread topic...

"Fast Food Nation" was a great book.. but I find that people will not eat fast food for a week or two weeks but then after that, it's back to the norm. Even for those that swore off any McDs after reading it.

Also, in regards to the headless chickens... I think that people that are forced to process or at least know how their food is processed have more of a 'connect' with their food. I mean, it's one thing to go to McDonald's and eat a burger that's been processed five times till tuesday and have such a disassociation with their food. It's another to have seen a cattle heard and cattle factory. I think one of the problems with the American food chain is that we, as consumers, are so seperated from it. We are able to use purchasing power to disconnect with the very things that are essential to our own being. It's no wonder that this disconnect leads to problems.

I've got no problem with hunters that eat their food... fisherman that don't catch and release so long as they are taking their food home to eat. That connection with the circle of life is something I think our society very much so overlooks.

And with that, i'll return you to your goose clothing discussion, already in progress.

Park~

(oh.. and as an aside, Perdita, I like the spec pic as well... and if you're live anywhere near chinatown with those choices, i'm extremely jealous.. i keep telling myself i'll move to the city... some day)

Don't ever apologize for staying on topic. Please ignore the threadjacking. It's a bad habit that, I must admit, I've made no effort to correct.

Back on topic...

I completely agree with you. If people had any idea, or gave any thought to, what they are eating I don't think agribusiness would be able to get away with half the crap they currently do. I do wish I was more ignorant on the subject and I have a rather limited knowledge.

Personally, I would be a vegan if I only had the will power. I can't eat ribs or hot wings & I have trouble eating with a turkey carcass on the table in front of me every Thanksgiving. I can only eat meat that's been processed beyond recognition and if I think about what exactly I'm eating I can't finish.

- Mindy
 
I'd be a vegetarian if only it weren't for bacon.

Damn those pigs for tasting so good!

Though I did swear off bacon for a whole two weeks when I was little, after reading _Charlotte's Web_. :rolleyes:
 
Mhari said:
I'd be a vegetarian if only it weren't for bacon.

Damn those pigs for tasting so good!

Though I did swear off bacon for a whole two weeks when I was little, after reading _Charlotte's Web_. :rolleyes:

I gave up babyback ribs for several weeks after seeing the movie, "Babe."

I'm weak-willed, true. On the other hand, I stopped buyiing lamb-based dog biscuits after feeding a baby lamb from a bottle, after which it kissed me on the nose. Maybe personal contact with Babe would have had a permanent effect.

Yes, I'm weak and selfish. But to my credit, I never ate another spider after reading Charlotte's Web, and no collies after reading, Lad: A Dog, by Albert Payson Terhune.
 
shereads said:
Yes, I'm weak and selfish. But to my credit, I never ate another spider after reading Charlotte's Web, and no collies after reading, Lad: A Dog, by Albert Payson Terhune.
*snorts* I suppose I could claim those, too!

I will say that I have always refused to eat veal, after learning of the horrible conditions the calves are usually kept in. :( My mother once tried to trick me into eating veal chops. She told me simply that we were having "chops" for dinner. She looked so cagey she aroused my suspicions. When she finally confessed that they were veal, she let me find something else for dinner.

It's about the only thing I refuse to eat based on conscience, though.
 
Silly Ukranians. They don't want genetically engineered American chickens, but their own home grown birds are still glowing from Chernobyl.

Brings a whole new meaning to Chiken Kiev. Da dum dum.

I know that joke was foul, but I just couldn't help myself. Da dum dum.

Yeah, I really laid an egg with that one too. Da dum dum.

Why couldn't the midget chicken get laid? Because he had a little pecker. Da dum dum.

Why did the genetically engineered chicken cross the road? Because he was being chased by Ukranian customs inspectors. Da dum dum.

Yeah, that one sucked. Right now I'm winging it. Da dum dum.


Thank-you ladies and germs. Vincent will be appearing each night this week in the lounge. Please keep in mind that management will be enforcing a 3-drink minimum. Ladies drink half-price after nine.
 
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Vincent E said:
Why did the genetically engineered chicken cross the road? Because he was being chased by Ukranian customs inspectors. Da dum dum.

Why did the chicken cross the road?

Captain Kirk: "Because you KILLED my SON you CHICKEN BASTARD!"




There's a list of those somewhere. If you don't want me to search for it and post it, leave $5,000 in unmarked bills in my PM box.
 
*sighs and sends shereads a bill for Monitor Cleaning*
 
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Boxlicker101 said:
Maybe so, but you don't know if she is a typhoid carrier and you don't know what is in the hamburger she is cooking. :mad:

Don't know about where you come from pal, but we don't get much typhoid over here, and to be honest I'm past giving a fuck what's in the burger, I think that's called Paranoid.
 
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