the Transmission of Scientific knowledge back to the western world..from the Arabs

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Between the ninth and fifteenth centuries, Muslim scholars, especially those living in Syria, distinguished themselves in most fields of scientific knowledge. For a long time, the Islamic world was considered to have been the repository of the scientific heritage of the Greeks and Romans. In fact, Muslim scholars contributed significantly to the development and diffusion of scientific knowledge, and were responsible for transmitting a great deal of learning to the Western world in a number of scientific disciplines.

There was harmonious agreement from the start between science and the Islamic religion. Not only does the Koran use the word “science” in 160 of its verses, but it also encourages the acquisition of knowledge. For according to the Prophet Muhammad, the ink of the scholar was more blessed than the blood of the martyr, science was more meritorious than prayer, and a little knowledge was better than much devotion.


THE TRANSMISSION SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGE THE WEST


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In the preceding sections, it has been seen that the Arab scholars did not content themselves with simply practicing what they learned from the Greek and Latin manuscripts that they had translated into Syriac and then Arabic. They began to make résumés of these texts to understand them better, but also made comments, criticisms and additions based on their own experimentation. After this period of learning, which is normal in any scientific undertaking, a number of Muslim scholars went beyond what their predecessors had done and conducted research that led to original discoveries within the traditional scientific disciplines. It is an unfortunate fact that such scientific works were seldom translated into Latin, the language of science in Europe until the eighteenth century. For example, while a thousand medical texts in Arabic have survived to this day, only about 40 of them were known in Europe. The situation for other disciplines is very similar.


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Arab science spread to Europe not so much through contact with the Crusaders who came to the Near East in the eleventh and thirteenth centuries, but rather through the dynasties that ruled over Islamic Spain between the eleventh and fourteenth centuries. These were the Almorávides and later the Almohádes, who established their capital at Cordova. In this period, Spain was full of Arab translations of Greek and Latin scientific manuscripts. These works were studied and commented on by Muslim scholars like the twelfth-century Cordovan philosopher Ibn Rushd (known as Averroes in the West), whose commentaries on Aristotle are unequaled and who wrote treatises on medicine, grammar, law and astronomy. In Toledo, during the twelfth century, there was even a bureau for translating Arab manuscripts into Latin so that they could be sent to the rest of Europe. In 1277, the king of Castille had a Spanish-language compilation made of Arab astronomic works so that Spanish scholars could use them. In the same year, the secrets of glassmaking were transmitted to Venice in accordance with the provisions of a treaty between the prince of Antioch and the Doge. From that time on, there were innumerable transfers of technological knowledge.


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It should also be recalled here that the technique for making paper, which had been learned by the Arabs from the Chinese in 751, had made it possible for a true market for books to develop in the Islamic world, and this had naturally encouraged the dissemination of scientific knowledge. This enormously important technique was transmitted to the West beginning in the twelfth century through the Emirate of Cordova. Paper-making then spread to Italy, or more precisely, Fabriano, where, in 1276, the first European factory for producing paper is thought to have been established. Other factories followed, especially at Troyes, France, in 1348 and at Nuremburg, Germany, in 1390. The material support for writing that had been transmitted by the Arabs facilitated the spread of ideas in Europe. Paper also led to a new invention — printing — around 1450. The printing press gave crucial impetus to the diffusion of knowledge, which has become the defining characteristic of our scientific world today.

© Musée de la civilisation, 1999




compliments of CH
 
Hanns_Schmidt said:
ARABS -
Hamas Covenant 1988

The Covenant
of the
Islamic Resistance Movement

18 August 1988


Does that mean we can judge the entire us-american christian society by a KKK statement ?
 
Hanns_Schmidt said:
Actually, the statement if BY Hamas...quoting lots of Imams and leaders around the world
So it's quite a broad range of arab fundamentalist cockroaches

I have no problem to agree here...

Hamas, Islamic Djihad, Talliban and all the other fundamentalistic groups are nothing else but terrorists.
 
Hanns_Schmidt said:
Funded, supported, ecouraged and incited by the majority of arabs

majority ? any figures to prove that ?
arabs ? what about all the other non-arabian muslim people ?

And please remember the US governmental support for the Talliban and Saddam Hussein and... fairy tales ? no, no - facts
 
CH

I don't think that any student of history can ignore the vital role that the Islamic world played in preseving, and furthering, scientific knowledge during the 'dark ages'. It is a matter of fact.

That has never been an issue with me. Nor have I ever denied it.

My statements have been that starting with the zenith and decline of the Ottoman Empire, the Islamic world has been in a state of cultural and scientific decline. With no substantive contributions made over the ensuing centuries.

The behavior is very much like the clock stopped for them. Or more precisely, they wished the clock had stopped. In the more radical elements it's as if they want to turn the clock back.

One cannot deal with historical issues. They simply are. You can distort them, but you can't change them. And that leaves us with today. And modern Islam is going to be judged by it's actions today, not what happened 8 centuries in the past.

Ishmael
 
Hanns_Schmidt said:
At one point, 81% of Palestinians supported killing Israeli civilians (reuters, Palestinian polls, Israeli polls)
When asked "against kids too"
The percentage dropped to just 79%
Since then the figure has come down due to their suffering,...and rightly too
ok - but 81% of Palestinians are anything else but the majority of arabs (in general).
Maybe you should be more specific in your posts next time. Generalization doesn't work.
Yeah, err so?
Saddam was considered less of a threat....we got it wrong./...your point?
I'm with you here. It was pest vs cholera. Realpolitics sucks sometimes.
 
Re: CH

Ishmael said:
I don't think that any student of history can ignore the vital role that the Islamic world played in preseving, and furthering, scientific knowledge during the 'dark ages'. It is a matter of fact.

That has never been an issue with me. Nor have I ever denied it.

My statements have been that starting with the zenith and decline of the Ottoman Empire, the Islamic world has been in a state of cultural and scientific decline. With no substantive contributions made over the ensuing centuries.

The behavior is very much like the clock stopped for them. Or more precisely, they wished the clock had stopped. In the more radical elements it's as if they want to turn the clock back.

One cannot deal with historical issues. They simply are. You can distort them, but you can't change them. And that leaves us with today. And modern Islam is going to be judged by it's actions today, not what happened 8 centuries in the past.

Ishmael

Hiya Ish,

good to see you again.

You're right Ish. We had this discussion several times.

I just want to point out that generalization doesn't work.
The majority of muslims might be disguided by those who need the religion to achieve or stay in power, clerics and royals and tyrans like Saddam.

You know pretty much about Koran. Please tell that there's a big difference between the original Djihad (not to speak of those differnces between Big Djihad, Medium Djihad and Small Djihad as it was meant by Mohammed) and what terrorists and opressors are calling "Holy War"
 
Dixon Carter Lee said:
You mean Olive Oyl?

Honestly, kids today, don't know nuthin' about their culture.

?? me ? kid ? why thank you - this 42yo takes it as a compliment.
The german Popeye version calls her Olivia. Sorry for being so ignorant using the translated edition.
 
Re: Re: CH


You know pretty much about Koran. Please tell that there's a big difference between the original Djihad (not to speak of those differnces between Big Djihad, Medium Djihad and Small Djihad as it was meant by Mohammed) and what terrorists and opressors are calling "Holy War"


Jihad comes in many forms, and has come in many forms throughout history. It is futile to talk about an "original Jihad" because the interpretation of this religious duty has varied across time and space.

FYI, the Arabic word jihad, comes from the root j-h-d -
meaning "to endeavor, to strive, to fight; to wage holy war against the infidels." The gerund of this root means literally "battle, fight; holy war."
 
Yea. What CH and Ish said.

More importantly, who the hell is Sinbad?
 
Re: Re: Re: CH

Olivianna said:
Jihad comes in many forms, and has come in many forms throughout history. It is futile to talk about an "original Jihad" because the interpretation of this religious duty has varied across time and space.

FYI, the Arabic word jihad, comes from the root j-h-d -
meaning "to endeavor, to strive, to fight; to wage holy war against the infidels." The gerund of this root means literally "battle, fight; holy war."

And therein lies the root of the problem.

The Qu'ran, like the Bible and other texts of ancient origin, are open for interpretation. This interpretation is arrived at by the scholars that hold sway during any given period.

There is a group of very vocal scholars out there right now that hold that the attacks that we are witnessing are part of a legitimate Jihad. The justification is found in who you choose to follow. As far as traditional Islam is concerned, these terrorists are guilty of self-murder that would preclude their entrance to paradise. In the view of some, that isn't so.

It is left to the followers of Islam to raise their voices and proclaim what they believe. Anyone can open a church. You still need a congregation, and the fact of the matter is for everyone of the suiciders there are thousands egging them on.

Ishmael
 
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