The Training of subs is a serious matter,

[snowy ciara]

it isn't just one of Your holiday games (With apologies to Sir Andrew Lloyd Webber and T.S. Eliot)

Another thing that I've been pondering is the difference between male and female pyls, training wise. Is there a big difference? Again, I'm talking mentally and emotionally. The difference between "secondary sexual characteristics" is a bit obvious. I know what my emotional needs and responses are, and I imagine that they're pretty different than a male's. On the other other hand, we're all human beings underneath, so maybe it's all the same anyway. Regardless of gender, most of us have a need to be loved and cherished, but studies have indicated through CAT scans and EKG's that male and female and TG brains all seem to function a bit differently. So, in your opinions, do the inherent differences between the two (or three genders, if you percieve the TG folks as a third gender) make a difference when it comes to training?

edited for grammar issues, a misquote, a spelling error, and assuming that everyone would know who the heck "Sir Andrew" is in connection with Cats.

 

[Shadowsdream]

it's not just one of Your holiday games (With apologies to Sir Andrew and T.S. Eliot)

Another thing that I've been pondering is the difference between male and female pyls, training wise. Is there a big difference? Again, I'm talking mentally and emotionally. The difference between "secondary sexual characteristics" is a bit obvious. I know what my emotional needs and responses are, and I imagine that they're pretty different than a male's. On the other other hand, we're all human beings underneath, so maybe it's all the same anyway. Irregardless of gender, most of us have a need to be loved and cherished, but studies have indicated through CAT scans and EKG's that male and female and TG brains all seem to function a bit differently. So, in your opinions, do the inherent differences between the two (or three genders, if you percieve the TG folks as a third gender) make a difference when it comes to training?

Personally I see a vast difference in fem and male trainings. Though both have the same depth capabilities the males are more obedient just because and the females want more explanations and logic. I train both with lots of explanations and logic regardless.

I find no difference in either and how they crave the comfort of My hand on their heads as they lay upon My knee while I speak with others in My home. Yet there is a difference in how the female snuggles instantly into her place and the male needs just a moment and a firm drawing to Me to feel really welcome at first.

The female generally is more emotional and sees romance all around her while the male feels drawn and horny and almost remote in some way.

I have also discovered I can have a half dozen males under My thumb in one room with no competition yet have 2 females and I get the appearance of no competition! ~~smile~` yet all can be taught that competition is a negative.

just a few thoughts...

 

[Netzach]

my relationships with the boys and butches are more formal and more distant at first, intimacy is earned over time, it's something to be strived for, there is a very strong cultivation of the idea that being close to me, being with me at all IS a reward and an honor of the highest degree.

With females and truly femme identified TG's the honor of being around me is always almost a forgone conclusion if they are interested in serving me, the idea is kind of viewed by the femme submissive as a "duh, no brainer" while with men/butches enforcing that notion IS the control in question a lot of the time. I start more intimately with females because it causes them to work harder and flourish and feel secure, where it makes males cocky and sloppy to give too much of my energies too quickly.

When they DO earn that trust and intimacy over time, it means the world to them and they go out of their way to stay in those good graces.

 

[le Dragon Noir]

I've never trained a male before, but I've assisted a bit with a friend of mine that has one. I've noticed that when a male breaks, he tends to shatter a bit more dramatically than a female. Possibly it's because standard cultural values have always allowed females to be more emotional than males. I've noticed that females come to their PYL's for help more than males do. There seem to be a few more overt power struggles with a male, too. The ladies will usually surrender more easily, internalizing the struggle.

 

[sigsauerprinces]

everytime i read this thread title it sounds like the beginning to a poem or limerick or something

the training of subs is a serious matter
if you are a Dom you must realize this
dont forget to enjoy, yes, the sound of the splatter
as you stand over her and drench her in piss

 

[snowy ciara]

everytime i read this thread title it sounds like the beginning to a poem or limerick or something

the training of subs is a serious matter
if you are a Dom you must realize this
dont forget to enjoy, yes, the sound of the splatter
as you stand over her and drench her in piss

It is. <geek hijack>

It first appeared in a book of poems by TS Eliot, called "Old Possum's book of Practical Cats." The name of the poem is called "the naming of cats." Andrew Lloyd Webber, (not yet a Sir as he had not been knighted yet) made a musical based on the book, which opened in 1981. It became the longest running musical in history, as it has been steadily performed since then. (Bizarre side note: the musical has been running since before I was born.)The only song that was not in the original book was "Memory." Sir Andrew knew that the musical needed a ballad-y sort of song, and Tim Rice submitted a lyric sheet based on the music which had allready been written. His lyrics were not used, as they didn't match the vision that Sir Andrew had. The estate of T.S. Eliot came to the rescue, by finding a poem about a cat named Grizabella that did not appear in Old Possum's book. Various scholars have speculated that the reason it didn't appear is because the tone of the book was light-hearted and the poem was somewhat sad so it wouldn't have fit.

<end geek hijack>

 

[sigsauerprinces]

It is. <geek hijack>

It first appeared in a book of poems by TS Eliot, called "Old Possum's book of Practical Cats." The name of the poem is called "the naming of cats." Andrew Lloyd Webber, (not yet a Sir as he had not been knighted yet) made a musical based on the book, which opened in 1981. It became the longest running musical in history, as it has been steadily performed since then. (Bizarre side note: the musical has been running since before I was born.)The only song that was not in the original book was "Memory." Sir Andrew knew that the musical needed a ballad-y sort of song, and Tim Rice submitted a lyric sheet based on the music which had allready been written. His lyrics were not used, as they didn't match the vision that Sir Andrew had. The estate of T.S. Eliot came to the rescue, by finding a poem about a cat named Grizabella that did not appear in Old Possum's book. Various scholars have speculated that the reason it didn't appear is because the tone of the book was light-hearted and the poem was somewhat sad so it wouldn't have fit.

<end geek hijack>

ahhh THATS what its from i love that poem, i havent read it in ages. *goes to look it up online*

 

[snowy ciara]

Not that I'm a huge TS Eliot fan, or anything. the Naming of Cats