The terrible cost of Obama's failure in Syria

[TalkRadio]

Four years ago, it almost looked as if chemical attacks on Syrian civilians would stop. “We struck a deal where we got 100 percent of the chemical weapons out,” declared then-Secretary of State John Kerry on Meet the Press in 2014. Kerry was referring to Bashar al-Assad’s declared stockpiles of chemical weapons which, under a 2013 deal struck by the Obama administration following a sarin nerve gas attack that brought the U.S. to the brink of striking Syrian government forces, were dismantled and shipped out of the country.

But there were two important and deadly loopholes. The first was that Assad did not declare everything—a reality that Kerry acknowledged publicly, including in a farewell memo to staff, in which he wrote that “unfortunately other undeclared chemical weapons continue to be used ruthlessly against the Syrian people.” The second was that chlorine gas, which has legitimate civilian uses, was not part of the deal. The Syrian American Medical Society and the White Helmets civil-defense group have documented 200 chemical attacks in Syria since 2012, many involving chlorine. On Saturday, the group alleged a particularly gruesome attack in the besieged city of Douma, which has reportedly killed dozens and injured hundreds. It remains unclear exactly what chemical weapon was involved in the alleged attack.

President Trump has labeled the event “an atrocity,” blaming the Obama administration for declining to enforce its declared “red line” against chemical weapons use in 2013. But if anything, until this morning it looked like the Trump administration was more interested in extricating itself from Syria entirely. The attacks follow a strange few days in Washington, as the president stated his desire to get out of Syria “very soon;” his advisers insisted the U.S. was staying to finish the job of defeating the Islamic State; and the White House tried to resolve the contradiction by insisting that American troops would stay in Syria until ISIS was gone, an outcome that was rapidly coming to pass.

https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...yria-obama-trump-assad-chemical-douma/557486/

 

[Rightguide]

Obama and Kerry lied to the American people and to the world. Now it's up to Trump to do what Obama should have done, put Assad down and slap the hell out of the Russians and Iranians.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Leave President Obama and Secretary Kerry out of this.
The question is, what will we do now?
We know what Israel did (well, officially, they did nothing).
It might be time to consider the elimination of Assad's air force, I mean the few remaining non-Russian planes and airfields. It also might be a good idea to target some more Iranian assets.

 

[DMBFFF]

Obama should have invaded Syria: commit ground troops—like Bush did in Iraq—and that way conservatives would have supported Obama—fer sure.

 

[TalkRadio]

How Obama’s “red line” fiasco led to Trump bombing Syria

On August 20, 2012, then-President Barack Obama told a group of reporters the use of chemical weapons by Bashar al-Assad’s regime in Syria would cross his “red line.” A year later, almost to the day, Syrian forces killed more than 1,400 people with sarin gas, a particularly horrifying chemical weapon that can cause paralysis, convulsions, or death.

Obama didn’t respond immediately. Instead, a month later, he agreed to a deal with Russia to remove and destroy 600 metric tons of Syria’s chemical weapons stockpile. That would, in theory, make it impossible for Assad to gas his own people, though he could still kill them using conventional weapons.

Obama and his second secretary of state, John Kerry, hailed the accord as a historic way to end Assad’s chemical weapons program without firing a single shot. “It turns out we’re getting chemical weapons out of Syria without having initiated a strike,” Obama told an audience in the Philippines four years ago. “With respect to Syria, we struck a deal where we got 100 percent of the chemical weapons out,” Kerry stated during a July 2014 appearance on Meet the Press.

Four years after Kerry’s Syria comments, President Donald Trump, along with allies France and the UK, launched 105 missiles on Friday at three Syrian targets to punish the regime for killing more than 40 people in an April 7, 2018, chlorine attack. That was the second time Trump authorized strikes on Syria after a chemical attack.

https://www.vox.com/2018/4/15/17238568/syria-bomb-trump-obama-russia

 

[Rightguide]

Obama should have invaded Syria: commit ground troops—like Bush did in Iraq—and that way conservatives would have supported Obama—fer sure.

Not true.

 

[DMBFFF]

Not true.

Obama couldn't win conservative support by invading.
Obama couldn't win conservative support by not invading.

Obama couldn't win conservative support pretty well no matter what. Conservatives had it in for him—much of it likely due to race.

Trump is an A-hole and conservatives still like him—in some cases partially because of it.

Why should leftists give a rat's ass what conservatives think? Why shouldn't they double down, become even more adversarial?

If you are a conservative, you are likely an idiot, a richie, class traitor, or a combination.

Your alt-media is fake.
Your opinions are invalid.
Your commentary is verbose.
Your rage vanilla.

Note: the above is a bit dramatic.


That's what's the title of this thread mostly says to me.

Trump himself should put up or shut up. He too does neither—save for a few relative taps.

 

[WoundedKnee]

Perhaps if we would not have left a vacuum in Iraq and thwarted Momar's attempt to but down rebels, the more people would have supported a decision to get involved, or not involved in Syria. If fact most of Syria's problems can be laid at the feet of his foreign policy. Progressives will look the other way to this and throw all sorts of pasta at the wall to defend his actions hoping that something will stick.

 

[Rightguide]

Obama couldn't win conservative support by invading.
Obama couldn't win conservative support by not invading.

Obama couldn't win conservative support pretty well no matter what. Conservatives had it in for him—much of it likely due to race.

Trump is an A-hole and conservatives still like him—in some cases partially because of it.

Why should leftists give a rat's ass what conservatives think? Why shouldn't they double down, become even more adversarial?

If you are a conservative, you are likely an idiot, a richie, class traitor, or a combination.

Your alt-media is fake.
Your opinions are invalid.
Your commentary is verbose.
Your rage vanilla.

Note: the above is a bit dramatic.


That's what's the title of this thread mostly says to me.

Trump himself should put up or shut up. He too does neither—save for a few relative taps.

Not true.

 

[HisArpy]

Obama couldn't win conservative support by invading.
Obama couldn't win conservative support by not invading.

Obama couldn't win conservative support pretty well no matter what. Conservatives had it in for him—much of it likely due to race.

Trump is an A-hole and conservatives still like him—in some cases partially because of it.

Why should leftists give a rat's ass what conservatives think? Why shouldn't they double down, become even more adversarial?

If you are a conservative, you are likely an idiot, a richie, class traitor, or a combination.

Your alt-media is fake.
Your opinions are invalid.
Your commentary is verbose.
Your rage vanilla.

Note: the above is a bit dramatic.


That's what's the title of this thread mostly says to me.

Trump himself should put up or shut up. He too does neither—save for a few relative taps.

This is where the Left goes wrong - they assume that they know stuff they have no idea about.

Lots of conservatives would have supported Obama had he had principles that they would have agreed with.

He didn't.

Instead he created programs which were designed to harm those who didn't agree with his agenda. Higher taxes. Higher costs of goods. Lower or stagnant wages. International turmoil. Proliferation of weapons of mass destruction. Ethic division and civil strife. And so on.

Most people didn't care if he was half black, they cared that he tried to force his idea of what being black in America meant down their throats. Few cared if he was born in Hawaii or not, they cared that he was supposed to follow and obey the law. Most people were tired of the tough times and fearmongering and they wanted him to solve the problems that his predecessor left behind.

He didn't do any of those things. Instead he spent his time building a government that spied upon it's own citizens, engaged in illegal conduct, made secret deals with our enemies, and generally lied to the people who elected him on just about every major issue facing the nation.

These weren't POLICY decisions, they were character flaws that most people, left or right, could see. The ones who support him and his ideals, despite the revelation going on about what he was really doing, also show the same character flaws; that the end justifies the means so long as they get more of the pie.

This includes Congress on BOTH sides of the aisle.

Trump isn't perfect. But, what he's promised to do is something conservatives generally support. Namely that he will put OUR interests ahead of his own whenever possible. Yeah, he's not perfect, but he talks to us in words we understand. He shows up where we can see him in person. He tells us what he's thinking on subjects of importance to the average citizen and mostly we agree with his opinions. We may not LIKE that he tweets the way he does, but we hear him and see that he agrees with us on how screwed up the world is right now as a result of failed policies by Obama.

He is a President of the people. You may not personally like his or what he says/does but that doesn't negate that he's in there working for US, not just for himself.

Obama, H, and liberal progressives can't seem to understand that principle at all.

 

[DMBFFF]

This is where the Left goes wrong - they assume that they know stuff they have no idea about.

Trump being the very stable genius.

Lots of conservatives would have supported Obama had he had principles that they would have agreed with.

and only if HUSSEIN Obama showed Trump his BC and proved earlier that he wasn't a crypto-Muslim born in Kenya or Indonesia.

Lower or stagnant wages.

In 8 years?

International turmoil.

Like invading Iraq for no reason, visting NK, and killing bin Laden.

Proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.

Unless you want the Pres willing to kill possibly millions of North Koreans to ensure against proliferation, I see Obama's actions as little worse than those before him, and likely better than Trump's.

Ethic division and civil strife. And so on.

Yeah, he's alienated the bigotted voters.

Most people didn't care if he was half black,

Sally Hemmings was a quadroon. Her and Tommy's sons were octoroons and thus could be sold—the point is, he was black enough in the US.

Instead he spent his time building a government that spied upon it's own citizens,

Both parties do that and people laughed at Gary Johnson.

made secret deals with our enemies,

Unlike Putin's best American asset.

and generally lied to the people who elected him on just about every major issue facing the nation.

So they vote for abn even bigger liar—oh why can't the MSM accept that Trump had the biggest inaguration event in American history?

But, what he's promised to do is something conservatives generally support.

Unlike losers such as John McCain.

Namely that he will put OUR interests ahead of his own whenever possible.

Since when did he do that?

Yeah, he's not perfect, but he talks to us in words we understand.

lies, BS, bigotry.

He shows up where we can see him in person.

Hides behind his Twitter account.

He tells us what he's thinking on subjects of importance to the average citizen and mostly we agree with his opinions.

He's tailoring to the audience.

We may not LIKE that he tweets the way he does, but we hear him and see that he agrees with us on how screwed up the world is right now as a result of failed policies by Obama.

Is it really that bad? Is your lifestyle worse than your grandparents? Are the faults Obama's?

He is a President of the people.

Bull-fucking-shit. He's gotten America more poloarized than even under Bush.

You may not personally like his or what he says/does but that doesn't negate that he's in there working for US, not just for himself.

He is so much in for himself.

Obama, H, and liberal progressives can't seem to understand that principle at all.

Fuck progressives! Fuck progress. Let's go back to the good old days—decades ago, when sites like this wouldn't have existed for legal as well as technological reasons.