The subprime fiasco and bailouts - does this woman get it?

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Laura Rowley
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Footing the Bill for the Subprime Fiasco

by Laura Rowley

Posted on Thursday, April 19, 2007, 12:00AM

Last week, Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) proposed that the federal government spend hundreds of millions of dollars to help bail out subprime mortgage borrowers who are defaulting on their loans.

A report by the Joint Economic Committee of Congress, which Schumer chairs, estimates that the average cost of a foreclosure -- to the homeowner, lender, local government, and neighbors (whose homes decline in value) -- is $78,000. By contrast, preventing the foreclosure would cost $3,300 per home on average.

No Good Sense

"It makes good sense to make sure families and neighborhoods are protected from rogue lenders and lax government oversight," Schumer said in a speech last week, adding that he's working on the legislation. "It'll save homeowners from losing their equity, save cities and local governments from losing their tax revenues, and save neighborhoods from taking a big hit."

Good sense? If a bailout is good sense, Schumer should also sponsor a bill funding free cardiac bypass surgery and liposuction for anyone the government failed to protect from eating repeatedly at McDonald's. (Please, Chuck, let me know if this is in your plans and I'll immediately stop jogging and eating my veggies.)

Banking on a Tragedy

Unquestionably, bad things have happened in the mortgage market in the last five years. Lenders threw money at people with no income, no assets, and no down payments; people who "stated" their incomes, often falsely; people with terrible credit scores, who had a history of not paying their bills on time, or at all.

Some lenders lied about what would happen when interest rates rose and the loans adjusted. State regulators looked the other way.

Mortgage lenders pocketed their fees and commissions, told the overextended homeowner to have a nice day, and handed the loans over to Wall Street to be pooled and turned into mortgage-backed securities. They were sold to hedge funds, pension funds, and other investors greedy for the high yields.

The Center for Responsible Lending estimates that one in five of the subprime loans issued between 2005 and 2006 will go into default. "The real tragedy here is that 2.2 million homeowners face the real possibility of losing their homes because they were misled, or just plain swindled by modern-day bandits," Schumer said in a hearing in March.

Shirking Responsibility

On the other hand, as far as I can tell, none of these modern-day bandits held a gun to anyone's head and forced them to take out a loan.

"There's a lot of discussion in Congress about how these are predatory loans, and widows and orphans are being thrown in the street," says Keith Gumbinger, vice president HSH Associates, a financial publisher. "But some of the issues we're dealing with today are self-inflicted wounds -- people who didn't bother to read applications or documents and signed for a loan."

Moreover, the vast majority of subprime borrowers -- more than 85 percent -- are paying their loans on time. Gumbinger estimates that subprime loans make up about 20 percent of the market. Within that segment, a little over 13 percent were delinquent in the fourth quarter of 2006, according to a Mortgage Bankers Association survey.

"Borrowers that five years ago didn't have an opportunity to buy have been given that opportunity -- and the fact is that with this great opportunity comes responsibility," says Gumbinger.

Foreclosure by the Numbers

The Joint Economic Committee is discussing several policy proposals that make sense: tightening educational and licensing requirements for mortgage brokers and lenders; creating a federal anti-predatory lending law that bans unfair and deceptive practices; enhancing disclosure practices for mortgage products so people have a better idea of what they're getting into; and establishing a "suitability' standard for mortgages, similar to the standards that must be met in the financial services industry, that will assess the borrower's ability to repay. (Some subprime lending was based on a borrower's ability to pay the loan at the low introductory rate, before it adjusted.)

Then there's the bailout piece. The JEC report proposes funding nonprofits who work with troubled borrowers, concluding that the high cost of foreclosures "presents a strong incentive to prevent them."

Schumer's committee says the average foreclosure costs nearly $80,000. Here's how the report breaks out that figure among various "stakeholders":

Homeowner $7,200
Lender $50,000
Local government $19,227
Impact on neighbor's home value $1,508
Estimated total cost of foreclosure: $77,935

Lenders Take Their Medicine

Some lenders were clearly predatory, and should be prosecuted for swindling consumers. But most were businesspeople looking to profit on vulnerable borrowers. We all know profit has a twin -- it's called risk. These financial institutions, and the investors who bought their bonds, knew what they were doing. Now let them pay for it.

Some of them are. Citigroup and Bank of America recently pledged $1 billion to a nonprofit housing group, Neighborhood Assistance Corporation of America, to refinance borrowers who face foreclosure.

Other companies, such as Bear Stearns subsidiary EMC Mortgage, have created teams of specialists to work with troubled borrowers. EMC, which has a $78 billion subprime loan portfolio, has dubbed its 50-person workout group "the mod squad" (since they'll be modify the loan terms to avoid foreclosure).

Who Should Pay

Clearly, lenders, investors, and homeowners should step up to the plate here -- not taxpayers. In a hearing on the crisis in March, Schumer said families were "teased into unsuitable subprime loans."

"Teased into"? What kind of language is this? When did we transform from being a culture of opportunity to a culture of victimization? Taking out a mortgage is a choice, and choices have consequences. If we want to own our financial successes, we also have to own our financial mistakes.

And what kind of message does a government bailout send to Americans who did things the right way? People who had a job, paid their bills on time, built solid credit scores, saved for a down payment, read their loan terms, and scrutinized their budgets to make sure they could afford not only the mortgage payments, but the taxes, insurance and maintenance on their homes?

The Real Crisis

More important, what kind of precedent does a subprime bailout set? Undoubtedly, foreclosures will cause personal tragedy, as well as economic dislocations in the affected communities. But there's a much, much larger crisis brewing: Rising poverty among the soon-to-retire baby boomers who haven't saved for retirement.

When they can't work any longer, and don't have enough to live on, and cause a dislocation in the economy, will Congress bail them out too? Will Schumer be around to go after the "rogue" retailers and "bandits" who "teased" Americans into buying consumer goods when they should have been saving for retirement? Or will the government just put the burden on those of us who have done the right thing all along?
 
Baloney. That's why the borrower should read their disclosures. And then carefully read their mortgage note & riders before they sign.

I have no sympathy for these people.
 
BuffRudy said:
Baloney. That's why the borrower should read their disclosures. And then carefully read their mortgage note & riders before they sign.

I have no sympathy for these people.
But more people than the borrowers suffer when a foreclosure happens.

Your house's value can drop if your neighbor goes into foreclosure. Jobs at the lending company can be lost.

Read the chart in the middle of the story before you post such myopic comments, will ya?

Here's how the report breaks out that figure among various "stakeholders":

Homeowner $7,200
Lender $50,000
Local government $19,227
Impact on neighbor's home value $1,508
Estimated total cost of foreclosure: $77,935
 
I totally agree with the author. A bailout would be the worst possible option.
 
JamesSD said:
I totally agree with the author. A bailout would be the worst possible option.
Not the worst, but not the best.

The worst option would be to let the borrowers deal with it alone. The damage would not just be suffered by them.

The problem with ultralibertarian thinking - a path she chooses not to take here - is that you can be as righteous as the saints and get jacked up by someone else's mistake. When that person can't repay, then what?
 
Why get the government involved? If you do, you must hate America, the troops, insert whatever here.
 
LovingTongue said:
Not the worst, but not the best.

The worst option would be to let the borrowers deal with it alone. The damage would not just be suffered by them.

The problem with ultralibertarian thinking - a path she chooses not to take here - is that you can be as righteous as the saints and get jacked up by someone else's mistake. When that person can't repay, then what?

Right, except I am almost constantly under assault by the stupidity and shortsightedness of those around me.

Why should the subprime failures be any different? The fed created this issue and are far more capable than the politicians to engineer a bailout or taking preventative measures to stop the ripple effect. Politicians should stick to what they know - empty phrases, wasteful spending, and taking kickbacks. Please let the business of economic government be handled by those who actually know something about it.


Just 3 of about 200 daily irritants from the short-sighted, stoopid motherfuckers, mostly between the ages of 40 and 65 around me:

1. Flagrant degradation of the environment. Which is more important, the health of the environment, or the perceptions of safety and "bling bling" that comes with driving an SUV? Surely the perception of "bling bling"! Stupid, needy, shallow motherfuckers - you're ruining the economy and the environment, all so you can compensate for your small penises, big vaginas, and the fact that your life is totally empty!

2. Flagrant misuse of governmnet money and the lives of stupid young men - I'm sure you can all figure this one out. Stupid young men willing to lay down their lives for nothing more than empty phrases and baseless jingo are a finite commodity and should actually be used for a "purpose".

3. Flagrant financial irresponsibility all over the economy, not just in subprime. No one else keeping an eye on our negative personal rate of saving, our out-of-control budget deficit, or the fact that we're on pace to be a nation of sharecroppers by 2050?


You stupid motherfuckers are ruining the US economy, and have been ever since your parents gave you everything in the 50's, fed your minds with TV in the 60's, 70's and 80's, and, now that you realize that you've made a "fuck all" of your lives, are hell bent of making a "fuck all" of the country.

Congratulations - you've taken an empire of democracy, productivty and liberty and turned it into a 3rd rate Hatian whorehouse of egoism.
 
More on the bailout:

1. Its not my fault that you're a stupid motherfucker who can't see beyond "5 year fixed ARM'. If we engineer a bailout, make sure we don't benefit the stupid motherfuckers who can't see beyond 2-3 years - they belong in poverty and bankruptcy.

2. Its not my fault that you're a greedy, stupid motherfucker who can't see that this guy who makes 12.50 per hour won't be able to make payments once interest rates go up .25 points. You took HUGE risks for almost no premium, counting on a government bailout. If we do engineer a bailout, make sure we don't benefit the stupid motherfucks who can't see beyond 2-3 years - they belong in bankruptcy and poverty.

3. Its not my faulty that you're a simpleminded, stupid motherfucker who counts on revenue from a housing bubble, an internet stock inflation, or an absurd runup in the price of tulips. If you couldn't see that these were short term increases in revenue, you belong working at Ralphs, not making decisions that impact others.


If you're going to piss money away, piss it away on food for Africa or bombs or something, not on rewarding stoopid economic behavior!
 
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