The soldier did no such thing.

[miles]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The soldier did no such thing.

Your "in the middle of a firefight" scenario skewes things a bit to the extreme don't you think ?

But what you're saying to me is that there is no way to resign as a soldier.
Once in you're the slave of the State ?

That sounds like no army I've heard of.

You haven't heard of any army. This is what you said, not me:


He has that choice.Any soldier can at any time simply throw off his uniform or throw his weapon away.Or go to his superior officer and say his peace.

Any soldier can at any time simply throw off his uniform or throw his weapon away

Any time would include combat. I'm not skewing anything.

 

[christophe]

So you're telling me that in the US armed forces there's no such thing as a discharge unless you foul yourself out ?

honorable
dishonorable
general
medical

these are the only four i know of....most of all the discharges i have seen will inevitably fall into one of these areas

 

[miles]

honorable
dishonorable
general
medical

these are the only four i know of....most of all the discharges i have seen will inevitably fall into one of these areas

Let's not forget nasal and vaginal discharges.

 

[christophe]

Let's not forget nasal and vaginal discharges.

those fall into the medical area along with rectal discharge...which is a severe pain in the ass

 

[Pagliacci]

PC,KM and Takemee

I did indeed miss the point as I said.
The way I read through the poem it was as if the soldier was the be all,end all of things.

I agree that the soldier protects the country from outside threats and acts accordingly and in that context it's correct and they way I read it was faulty.

I'm not trying to piss on any nations flag or armed forces as I'm part of my own nations.I just took offense at the way it was written in the way I interpreteted it.

 

[Problem Child]

Let's not forget nasal and vaginal discharges.

You forgot anal. They're the messiest and usual denote that a serious medical conundrum is a-brewing.

 

[ma_guy]

Let's not forget nasal and vaginal discharges.

I had a penile discharge for a while after I went to Korea for a bit but after a few shots that cleared right up!

 

[Pagliacci]

My post is pretty clear.

Foul yourself out? You mean medically or go to Sweden and teach girls soccer like Sly Stallone did?

Foul out as do something that goes against military law and get a dishounourable discharge after the ensuing prison term or whatever is applicable.

 

[christophe]

I had a penile discharge for a while after I went to Korea for a bit but after a few shots that cleared right up!

prolly secondary from the vaginal discharge thank god for pennicillin

 

[Pagliacci]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: The soldier did no such thing.

You haven't heard of any army. This is what you said, not me:


He has that choice.Any soldier can at any time simply throw off his uniform or throw his weapon away.Or go to his superior officer and say his peace.

Any soldier can at any time simply throw off his uniform or throw his weapon away

Any time would include combat. I'm not skewing anything.

Aaah but my response was to your "Middle of the firefight" response.

Either way the soldier can at any time do so,even combat.You're telling me that he can't ? It would be desertion in the face of the enemy,but it would be a choice and one that might get him out of the army.

Thing is Miles that I was referring more to peacetime ways of getting out.

Cristophe listed them for me which solves that question for me as well.

(edited to add)

As for me and my knowledges of armies I find it a pitiful insult as you've no idea od who I am.
I had a problem with a few lines in a poem.I got responses to the question and others besides.My military service and meeting with soldiers of other armed forces doesn't get into the equation in my mind.

 

[#1tankcomander]

prolly secondary from the vaginal discharge thank god for pennicillin

But then there are those that the magic drug can't cure and you find yourself on an island off the coast of California, while the military claims you're dead while they treat you!

 

[christophe]

But then there are those that the magic drug can't cure and you find yourself on an island off the coast of California, while the military claims you're dead while they treat you!

they have a bad habit of doing that....if they say your dead your dead.....you would have an easier time just dying than tying to prove you actually are alive!

 

[Lost Cause]

During Vietnam.....

I thought Okinawa was where they sent the guys with the "Black Syph." Legend has it that the fucking VC sent infected hoes to fuck our troops with this shit, which was developed in the USSR.

*In regards to the thread question, in a unit it's one for all, all for one. If someone with your attitude was in a squad/platoon/company, you wouldn't make out on patrol, you'd be cleaning honey pots until rotation or discharge. You pull that shit in the field, and it's doubtful you'd make it back, nobody would cover your ass. Everyone functions so everyone comes back, you get a objector in the group, you break down the chain of command, and fuck with the effectiveness of the unit. You could get everyone killed with your whinning, and if you walked from a battle your buddies are in, as a Sergeant, I would have the pleasure of taking your dogtags back to the firebase, or compound.
Fantasy doesn't do well in reality, even in your country's service. (Unless it's a fucking nothing army like, say..denmark.)

 

[KillerMuffin]

I don't think the soldier is the be all end all either. However, I do think that the soldier deserves some special recognition because, whatever his reasons for volunteering himself into indentured servitude--one that he cannot just quit because he wants to--he's going to be putting himself in a position where he can and will die for volunteering for that service.

So do other civil servants like police, but today we recognize veterans and soldiers for their sacrifice and how much we have needed that sacrifice. The firemen and police should have their day.

Quite frankly, if it weren't for the soldier, we would have been a British Colony for a very long time without the constitution and without the bill of rights. Most were only soldiers when needed, but they were soldiers and they did die for the America we have today.

 

[Lost Cause]

Reality..............

899. ART. 99. MISBEHAVIOR BEFORE THE ENEMY
Any person subject to this chapter who before or in the presence of the enemy--
(1) runs away;
(2) shamefully abandons, surrenders, or delivers up any command, unit, place, or military property which it is his duty to defend;
(3) through disobedience, neglect, or intentional misconduct endangers the safety of any such command, unit, place, or military property;
(4) casts away his arms or ammunition;
(5) is guilty of cowardly conduct;
(6) quits his place of duty to plunder or pillage;
(7) causes false alarms in any command, unit, or place under control of the armed forces;
(8) willfully fails to do his utmost to encounter, engage, capture, or destroy any enemy troops, combatants, vessels, aircraft, or any other thing, which it is his duty so to encounter, engage, capture, or destroy; or
(9) does not afford all practicable relief and assistance to any troops, combatants, vessels, or aircraft of the armed forces belonging to the United States or their allies when engaged in battle;

shall be punished by death or such punishment as a court- martial may direct.

 

[Pagliacci]

I don't think the soldier is the be all end all either. However, I do think that the soldier deserves some special recognition because, whatever his reasons for volunteering himself into indentured servitude--one that he cannot just quit because he wants to--he's going to be putting himself in a position where he can and will die for volunteering for that service.

So do other civil servants like police, but today we recognize veterans and soldiers for their sacrifice and how much we have needed that sacrifice. The firemen and police should have their day.

Quite frankly, if it weren't for the soldier, we would have been a British Colony for a very long time without the constitution and without the bill of rights. Most were only soldiers when needed, but they were soldiers and they did die for the America we have today.

Poetry in motion KM,I agree wholeheartedly.

 

[Pagliacci]

Re: Reality..............

899. ART. 99. MISBEHAVIOR BEFORE THE ENEMY
<SNIP>
shall be punished by death or such punishment as a court- martial may direct.

Thanks LC.I need to go look aand see if the UCMJ (Acronym correct?) can be found online.

Trivia:
Up until 1976 a Swedish officer had the right to summarily execute anyone fleeing in the face of the enemy.Old law from the time when Sweden was a "superpower" that had been overlooked until the law revision of 76.

 

[KillerMuffin]

UCMJ
http://www.military-network.com/main_ucmj/main_ucmj.htm

Manual for Courts-Martial 2000
http://www.jag.navy.mil/documents/mcm2000.pdf

 

[Pagliacci]

UCMJ
http://www.military-network.com/main_ucmj/main_ucmj.htm

Manual for Courts-Martial 2000
http://www.jag.navy.mil/documents/mcm2000.pdf

Thanks KM I'm in your debt.
Here we don't do court martials.Anything covered by criminal law is tried by "civilian" courts,disciplinary offences are taken care of by the CO