The road to hell...............

Ishmael

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Disregaring the comments of Marxist and Weevil, who are both racial bigots, I woule like to hear you opinion of the following article.

John Leo
June 8, 2002

Educational censorship: bland leading the bland

Exam questions shouldn't make students uncomfortable, says a New York state education official. So should test-takers have to read that Kofi Annan, the U.N.
secretary general, admires "fine California wine and seafood"? Of course not. Some student somewhere might be uncomfortable reading about wine admiration. So on an
English exam that all New York high school students must take to graduate, the passage was altered. Annan was quoted as admiring only the seafood, not the wine.
(Possible student discomfort with seafood and California went totally unaddressed.)

"Sensitivity" censorship is a huge industry in the world of education. Textbook publishers and testmakers hire people to draw up sensitivity guidelines. In school systems
there are more people who apply guidelines, and still more who review and argue about the censorship process. Reviewers debated whether to censor a reference to
Mount Rushmore, since Lakota Indians believe the monument intrudes on their sacred ground. "Adopt-a-highway" litter control programs are controversial, too. They
may offend adopted children.

Coping with this nonsense is usually the lonely work of conservatives. But this time even the ACLU and The New York Times were outraged, so the state had to back
down. (The Times headline, referring to Hemingway's "The Old Man and the Sea," was "The Elderly Man and the Sea"?)

Jeanne Heifetz, a Brooklyn woman who opposes all high-stakes testing, broke the story by showing that the state's Regents tests in English have been cleansed of nearly
all references to race, religion, gender, nudity, alcohol, age, and even the mildest profanity. On New York tests, when fictional characters get really angry and lose
control, they shout "Heck!"

Almost all references to Judaism were removed from a passage by Isaac Bashevis Singer. A Hispanic author's reference to a "Gringo lady" became "an American lady."
Elsewhere a "skinny" boy was converted into a "thin" one, and a "fat" boy into a "heavy" one. Racial references were removed from a moving passage by Annie Dillard
on what she learned as a rare white visitor to a library in a black neighborhood.

References to God and religion tend to disappear on exams and in texts. In one 1985 case, famous in educational circles, a short story about Russian Jewish immigrants
making a connection between American Thanksgiving and the Jewish harvest holiday of Sukkot was ruthlessly mangled by the publisher Harcourt Brace Jovanovich. All
references to God, the Bible, Jews and Sukkot were removed from the story, "Molly's Pilgrim," by Barbara Cohen. In negotiations, Cohen got references to Sukkot and
worship in. The story was a religious one. But no mention of God or the Bible was allowed to remain.

A lot of sensitivity censorship comes from attempts to rid famous texts of anything that looks like male dominance, not to mention offensive words like "manslaughter,"
"mankind" and "animal kingdom," which is classist as well as sexist. Not long ago, a publisher (Bandanna Books) put out an edition of Walt Whitman's poetry with all
reference to "he" and "him" changed to the sensitive new unisex terms "hu" and "hum."

In textbooks, the sensitivity industry tends to reverse stereotypes rather than to erase them. The wife is always jumping under the Buick to check the suspension while
the husband minds the baby. Stereotype reversal makes it almost impossible to portray elderly people in texts and illustrations, says Diane Ravitch, an assistant secretary
of education under the first President Bush. Since it is ageist to depict anyone as wrinkled, infirm or limited in any way by the aging process, the elderly tend to come out
seeming like vigorous 20-year-olds.

Ravitch, who is writing a book on educational censorship, says tests and texts are combed for regional bias. In test questions, any specific location is considered biased,
since a question about mountain climbing would favor a mountain dweller, or a passage about the seashore might hamper a test-taker in Kansas. The perfect locale for a
test passage is nowhere in particular. As a result, Ravitch says, the Times' headline "The Elderly Man and the Sea" is woefully regionalist as well as ageist and sexist. In
bias-free language, she says, Hemingway's title should be: "A person who is older and who lives somewhere."

Though hilarious, sensitivity censorship is sobering too. Tedious bureaucrats are working hard to remove challenging material from schools. The New York sensitivity
review guidelines ban "language, content or context that is not accessible to one or more racial or ethnic groups." Translation: Keep everything bland and down the
middle.

Censorship mandates are buried in all sorts of rules and laws. The "No Child Left Behind" Act says instruction and content must be "secular, neutral and non-ideological."
That sounds fair, but it can be used to justify removal of all religious references or mention of almost any controversial body of thought. It's a classic case of the road to
heck being paved with good intentions.
 
It's nauseating isn't it? While blatant sexist or racist terms must obviously be omitted,we've gone the complete opposite extreme where everything is potentially offensive and politically incorrect.

Society becomes bland when there is no tradition/culture and that is exactly what's happening.
 
The ONLY upside is no more test questions that start out, "A train leaves Chicago at 6:00am travelling at 120MPH..."


Yes, people need to get a fucking grip.
 
Ishmael said:
Disregaring the comments of Marxist and Weevil, who are both racial bigots, I woule like to hear you opinion of the following article.


Dude, it's Saturday night and you're thinking of me and Weevil. Doesn't that make you a faggot in the worst way?
 
lisalovesit said:
It's nauseating isn't it? While blatant sexist or racist terms must obviously be omitted,we've gone the complete opposite extreme where everything is potentially offensive and politically incorrect.

Society becomes bland when there is no tradition/culture and that is exactly what's happening.

No shit, we can be varying shades of grey. But we can no longer be white, black, yellow, or red. We can be magenta or any other color, but we can't be what we are.

To no longer to be able to speak the truth is the death of us all.

Ishmatl
 
lisalovesit said:
It's nauseating isn't it? While blatant sexist or racist terms must obviously be omitted,we've gone the complete opposite extreme where everything is potentially offensive and politically incorrect.

Society becomes bland when there is no tradition/culture and that is exactly what's happening.

I was trying not to comment on this but I guess my self control kind of slipped.

Any Political Correctness went overboard a long time ago. When a person can't talk freely because he or she is afraid that someone else is going to jump down their throat for something they say it has gone overboard. The entire Political Correctness mess is just a way to limit the first admendment.

Don't get me wrong there are somethings that are said by people that should not have been said, but that really comes down to thinking before talking and being responsible.
 
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Marxist said:


Dude, it's Saturday night and you're thinking of me and Weevil. Doesn't that make you a faggot in the worst way?

Not at all. You and the little bug levied the 'racist' label.

You are, and will remain, a piece of shit marxist. You are a bigot of the worst sort. You hide behind your color as a defense against those arguments for which you have nothing to say about.

Bite me.

Ishmael
 
Oh I know...it got to the point in our office no one could say "Merry fucking Christmas"....It's all 'happy holidays'.
 
markb325 said:


When a person can't talk freely because he or she is afraid that someone else is going to jump down their throat for something they say it has gone overboard.

Although I agree with you in general, I think the problem isn't so much individuals, but the fear that institutions (gov't entities, schools, businesses, etc) have of being sued.

What chaps my hide about it is that focusing on piddling shit like whether or not I'll score lower on my SATs if a question mentions NY (cuz us'ns ain't never herd of Nu Yurk down heer in Texas!) takes away from the *real* cases of bias that the courts could be handling.

It just dilutes attention that would be better focused on clearing up real problems in society.
 
lisalovesit said:
Oh I know...it got to the point in our office no one could say "Merry fucking Christmas"....It's all 'happy holidays'.

Smart girl.

Ishmael
 
Censorship takes its form very slowly. Almost everyone finds something offensive and that should be left out. Even here we note lisalovesit saying anything blatantly sexist or rascist. Can you say Kipling? Not slamming lisa, by any means, but only an example. One person wants to strip one thing and another person wants to strip another thing until eventually you wind up with a whole lot of nothing.

Political Correctness is primarily a movement started by white men, so we can act like because we changed a name, we changed the problem, even if that's horseshit.
 
Ishmael said:
Disregaring the comments of Marxist and Weevil, who are both racial bigots, I woule like to hear you opinion of the following article.


Ish, how am I a racial bigot? What race do I dislike? Do you even know what the word means?
 
Nora said:


Although I agree with you in general, I think the problem isn't so much individuals, but the fear that institutions (gov't entities, schools, businesses, etc) have of being sued.

What chaps my hide about it is that focusing on piddling shit like whether or not I'll score lower on my SATs if a question mentions NY (cuz us'ns ain't never herd of Nu Yurk down heer in Texas!) takes away from the *real* cases of bias that the courts could be handling.

It just dilutes attention that would be better focused on clearing up real problems in society.

Then should we settle for a lie? And at what point should this lie be settled?

When the kids go to college? Or when they read the original text? At what point do we quit lying?

Ishmael
 
Nora said:


Although I agree with you in general, I think the problem isn't so much individuals, but the fear that institutions (gov't entities, schools, businesses, etc) have of being sued.

What chaps my hide about it is that focusing on piddling shit like whether or not I'll score lower on my SATs if a question mentions NY (cuz us'ns ain't never herd of Nu Yurk down heer in Texas!) takes away from the *real* cases of bias that the courts could be handling.

It just dilutes attention that would be better focused on clearing up real problems in society.

Nora,

We have enough problems of our own in Texas with the education system but that is off topic so I won't go there.
 
I saw this topic discussed on an email list last week. If I remember correctly, one of the problems was that the work of famous authors was altered without their permission, and then still attributed to them as if they wrote the revised words. I think the issue was whether these authors could sue because it wasn't made clear that the students were reading altered text.

My guess is that many of you here, as authors, would object to your work being altered and then attributed to you in the new version. Doesn't seem like a great idea to me. An author has a right to expect that his/her work is read as written.
 
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Weevil said:


Ish, how am I a racial bigot? What race do I dislike? Do you even know what the word means?

You levied the term 'racist' you piece of shit. You don't know me, or have a clue as to my backgroud, you or marxist. But you have still used that label agiasnt me.

Whether you know it or not, you have made an enemy of me. Nothing short of a public apology will correct that. And without that apology, I will remain your enemy

Do you understand me?

Ishmael
 
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Ishmael said:


You levied the term 'racist' you piece of shit. You don't know me, or have a clue as to my backgroud, you or marxist. But you have still used that label agiasnt me.

Whether you know it or not, you have made an enemy of me. Nothing short of a public apology will correct that. And without that apology, I will remain your enemy

Do you understand me?

Ishmael

Well, that's a long and angry way of saying no. Here's help

Racial Bigot: You

Someone who dislikes Racial Bigots: Me

Now, you may consider being a racist bigot a race in and of itself but I don't. So I'm not racist. Smarmy, obnoxious, maybe even a little immature.

But I dislike all races equally.

Now don't you have some blackface to put on for your next routine?
 
ermmm...

maybe I wasn't clear enough.

I am strongly repelled by the extremes to which people are carrying political correctness. I do not believe that making test questions neutral, as in the example provided, solves anything. I believe that businesses, schools and government focusing on "blanding down" deters us from solving underlying problems in society.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "lying" to people, Ishmael?
 
Sillyman said:
Censorship takes its form very slowly. Almost everyone finds something offensive and that should be left out. Even here we note lisalovesit saying anything blatantly sexist or rascist. Can you say Kipling? Not slamming lisa, by any means, but only an example. One person wants to strip one thing and another person wants to strip another thing until eventually you wind up with a whole lot of nothing.

Political Correctness is primarily a movement started by white men, so we can act like because we changed a name, we changed the problem, even if that's horseshit.

Primarily, political correctness is a movement started by those that wnat to please everone. It isn't possible.

At some point you must say that "this is right" or "this is wrong". No one can live in a world of gray.

Ishmael
 
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Nora said:
maybe I wasn't clear enough.

I am strongly repelled by the extremes to which people are carrying political correctness. I do not believe that making test questions neutral, as in the example provided, solves anything. I believe that businesses, schools and government focusing on "blanding down" deters us from solving underlying problems in society.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by "lying" to people, Ishmael?

Lying?

Easy enough Nora. By taking the harshness out of the literature, we have, in effect, 'tainted' the authors words. Detracted from the idea's. Good or bad.

It seem's to me that to be strange that the religious schools present the unadulterated works and then argue against them where concerned. The Public schools are in the business of teaching nothing it seems.

White is white, black is black, yellow is yellow and red is red. So what? These things can't be changed. Neither can blind, or deaf. Or paraplegic.

Those that "choose" to suffer for those things over which they have no control are called 'prepetual victims'. People that turn my stomach.

Ishmael
 
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Ishmael said:

Whether you know it or not, you have made an enemy of me. Nothing short of a public apology will correct that. And without that apology, I will remain your enemy

I'm sorry but this is the funniest post I've ever read.

You sound like the villain at the end of an episode of Scooby Doo
 
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Weevil said:


Well, that's a long and angry way of saying no. Here's help

Racial Bigot: You

Someone who dislikes Racial Bigots: Me

Now, you may consider being a racist bigot a race in and of itself but I don't. So I'm not racist. Smarmy, obnoxious, maybe even a little immature.

But I dislike all races equally.

Now don't you have some blackface to put on for your next routine?

Then enemies we will remain bug.

Too bad you're a narrow minded piece of shit.

Ishmael
 
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Scruffy said:


I'm sorry but this is the funniest post I've ever read.

You sound like the villain at the end of an episode of Scooby Doo

sobeit
 
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Ishmael said:


Then enemies we will remain bug.

Too bad you're a narrow minded piece of shit.

Ishmael

Maybe, but at least I'm not racist like you.
 
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