The Rise of the Religious Right in America.Texas H.S.'s add bible study to curriculum

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Bible Course Becomes a Test for Public Schools in Texas - New York Times

Bible Course Becomes a Test for Public Schools in Texas - New York Times
HOUSTON, July 31 - When the school board in Odessa, the West Texas oil town, voted unanimously in April to add an elective Bible study course to the 2006 high school curriculum, some parents dropped to their knees in prayerful thanks that God would be returned to the classroom, while others assailed it as an effort to instill religious training in the public schools.

Luc Novovitch for The New York Times
John Waggoner, at the county school board's administrative building on Friday, has presented petitions in support of a Bible course to the board.
Hundreds of miles away, leaders of the National Council on Bible Curriculum in Public Schools notched another victory. A religious advocacy group based in Greensboro, N.C., the council has been pressing a 12-year campaign to get school boards across the country to accept its Bible curriculum.
The council calls its course a nonsectarian historical and literary survey class within constitutional guidelines requiring the separation of church and state.
But a growing chorus of critics says the course, taught by local teachers trained by the council, conceals a religious agenda. The critics say it ignores evolution in favor of creationism and gives credence to dubious assertions that the Constitution is based on the Scriptures, and that "documented research through NASA" backs the biblical account of the sun standing still.
In the latest salvo, the Texas Freedom Network, an advocacy group for religious freedom, has called a news conference for Monday to release a study that finds the national council's course to be "an error-riddled Bible curriculum that attempts to persuade students and teachers to adopt views that are held primarily within conservative Protestant circles."
The dispute has made the curriculum, which the national council says is used by more than 175,000 students in 312 school districts in 37 states, the latest flashpoint in the continuing culture wars over religious influences in the public domain.
The national council says its course is the only one offered nationwide. Another organization, the Bible Literacy Project, supported by a broad range of religious groups, expects to release its own textbook in September.
According to Charles Haynes of the Freedom Forum, which published "The Bible and Public Schools: A First Amendment Guide" five years ago, "The distinction is between teaching the Bible and teaching about the Bible - it has to be taught academically, not devotionally."
The National Council on Bible Curriculum in Public Schools says its course "is concerned with education rather than indoctrination of students."
"The central approach of the class is simply to study the Bible as a foundation document of society, and that approach is altogether appropriate in a comprehensive program of secular education," it says.
Elizabeth Ridenour, a commercial real estate broker who said she formed the nonprofit organization in 1993 after deciding that she had long been "duped" into believing the Bible could not be taught in public schools, said the course has stayed within legal limits. "Our teachers are not to say, 'This is the truth,' or that the Bible is infallible," she said. "They are to say, 'This is what the Bible says; draw your own conclusions.' "
But in Odessa, where the school board has not decided on a curriculum, a parent said he found the course's syllabus unacceptably sectarian. He has been waging his own campaign for additional information on where it is being taught.
"Someone is being disingenuous; I'd like to know who," said the parent, David Newman, an associate professor of English at Odessa College who has made a page-by-page analysis of the 270-page syllabus and sent e-mail messages to nearly all 1,034 school districts in Texas.
The Texas Freedom Network, which commissioned its study after the vote in Odessa, is sharp in its criticism. "As many as 52 Texas public school districts and 1,000 high schools across the country are using an aggressively marketed, blatantly sectarian Bible curriculum that interferes with the freedom of all families to pass on their own religious values to their children," it said.
In one teaching unit, students are told, "Throughout most of the last 2,000 years, the majority of men living in the Western world have accepted the statements of the Scriptures as genuine." The words are taken from the Web site of Grant R. Jeffrey Ministries' Prophecy on Line.
The national council's efforts are endorsed by the Center for Reclaiming America, Phyllis Schlafly's group the Eagle Forum, Concerned Women for America and the Family Research Council, among others.
But Americans United for Separation of Church and State and other groups have warned school districts against using the curriculum because of constitutional concerns.
Mike Johnson, a lawyer for the national council, cited a 1999 legal opinion by four lawyers calling the course permissible under constitutional guidelines.
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Ralph Blumenthal reported from Houston for this article, and Barbara Novovitch from Odessa, Tex.
Apart from a showcase school in Brady, Tex., the national council does not disclose the schools using its course because it wants to spare them the disruption of news media inquiries, Ms. Ridenour said.
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Only a summary of the course is available on the Internet, and printed copies cost $150.
A highly critical article in The Journal of Law and Education in 2003 said the course "suffers from a number of constitutional infirmities" and "fails to present the Bible in the objective manner required."
The journal said that even supplementary materials were heavily slanted toward sectarian organizations; 83 percent of the books and articles recommended had strong ties to sectarian organizations, 60 percent had ties to Protestant organizations, and 53 percent had ties to conservative Protestant organizations, it said.
Among those included are books by David Barton, on the council's advisory board and the vice chairman of the Texas Republican Party, who favors "biblical inerrancy," said William Martin, a Rice University historian and the author of the book "With God on Our Side: The Rise of the Religious Right in America."
Ms. Ridenour said the course was revised six months ago. But the freedom network's study concludes that the curriculum's section on science teaches creationism with no mention of evolution.
The course's broad statements about the Bible being the blueprint for the nation are askew, said Mr. Haynes of the Freedom Forum, part of a nonpartisan ecumenical group promoting the Bible Literacy Project textbook. "If the Bible is a blueprint for the Constitution," he said, "I guess they haven't read it," referring to the Constitution.
Some of the claims made in the national council's curriculum are laughable, said Mark A. Chancey, professor of religious studies at Southern Methodist University in Dallas, who spent seven weeks studying the syllabus for the freedom network. Mr. Chancey said he found it "riddled with errors" of facts, dates, definitions and incorrect spellings. It cites supposed NASA findings to suggest that the earth stopped twice in its orbit, in support of the literal truth of the biblical text that the sun stood still in Joshua and II Kings.
"When the type of urban legend that normally circulates by e-mail ends up in a textbook, that's a problem," Mr. Chancey said.
Tracey Kiesling, the national council's national teacher trainer, said the course offered "scientific documentation" on the flood and cites as a scientific authority Carl Baugh, described by Mrs. Kiesling as "an internationally known creation scientist who founded the Creation Evidence Museum in Glen Rose, Tex."
The battle of the Bible course is not over in Odessa, where John Waggoner, a real estate appraiser, presented petitions with 6,000 signatures in support of the Bible class - many of them on printed forms of the National Council on Bible Curriculum in Public Schools - to the school board of Ector County at its April meeting.
The assistant superintendent, Raymond Starnes, said he wanted to examine the Bible Literacy Project's textbook before recommending one for the 2006 school year.
 
Let's see, the bible is the most read book in the world.

What's wrong with a study of it as long as it's an elective class?
 
It's amazing what 5 years can do to someone's point of view.

When I was 18, I would have said this was a good thing. 5 years later, I think it's kind of disgusting.


However, marshalt does have a point.
 
marshalt said:
Let's see, the bible is the most read book in the world.

What's wrong with a study of it as long as it's an elective class?
It won't be an elective class for long.
And where are the elective classes for the Quran, the Torah, the Vedas, etc?



Oh yeah, I forgot, Christianity is now the only state-sponsorable religion! :nana:
 
Ms_Lilith said:
It's amazing what 5 years can do to someone's point of view.

When I was 18, I would have said this was a good thing. 5 years later, I think it's kind of disgusting.


However, marshalt does have a point.

There is nothing wrong at all with a study of religion, as long as it's purely acedemic and not required. But when the homework changes from reading Luke to saying ten "our father's," then it's time to worry.
 
marshalt said:
There is nothing wrong at all with a study of religion, as long as it's purely acedemic and not required. But when the homework changes from reading Luke to saying ten "our father's," then it's time to worry.
Where you fail is that you think it won't go that far.
 
marshalt said:
There is nothing wrong at all with a study of religion, as long as it's purely acedemic and not required. But when the homework changes from reading Luke to saying ten "our father's," then it's time to worry.


*nods* ANd this is why I said you had a point. You can look at it objectively, and I respect that.

But I also agree with LT.. if they're going to offer bible study electives, maybe they could include other religious works, and make it a "world religions" class, or something.
 
ahh the Only State Religion is Evangelical Christanity.... they have all the earnings from the election..... pay- back time.
 
LovingTongue said:
It won't be an elective class for long.
And where are the elective classes for the Quran, the Torah, the Vedas, etc?



Oh yeah, I forgot, Christianity is now the only state-sponsorable religion! :nana:

So, you can see the future now too?

I don't know where the classes are for the quran and shit, be a teacher and start one if you have such a hard on for it.
 
if they are gonna do it, they should use the Interlinear Bible so it is only one step from the Hebrew & Greek.
 
LovingTongue said:
Where you fail is that you think it won't go that far.

it won't. This movement is being pushed by evangelicals. The reciting of the same prayer mulitple times in one sitting is more of a catholic deal. They got their own schools.
 
marshalt said:
There is nothing wrong at all with a study of religion, as long as it's purely acedemic and not required. But when the homework changes from reading Luke to saying ten "our father's," then it's time to worry.

Exactly. You guys don't have RE classes ordinarily?
:confused:
 
marshalt said:
So, you can see the future now too?

I don't know where the classes are for the quran and shit, be a teacher and start one if you have such a hard on for it.
I'm sure there are Rabbi's and clerics clamoring for representation in high school in Texas, but they won't be allowed to teach elective classes. They're not politically correct.

And yes, I can see the future with regards to this. If you wish to make a wager I've got the money. I bet public schools will be heavily lobbied to make these religion classes mandatory within the next TWO years, and they may or may not succeed, but they will be hard pressed. And I also bet that there won't be any elective classes for Islam or Judaism, etc., in the next FIVE years, without some major high-profile protests.

Do you care to put a dead Franklin where your mouth is and bet against my ability to predict the future of this affair? If so, then you know what my Yahoo! IM is. Let's set it up.
 
marshalt said:
Dude, my high school just got math...
Too funny

To teach solely the christian bible is pushing an agenda, I agree it needs to be counter balanced with the other religious books also.
We are fast becoming a country like those we are fighting that teach Islam in all schools. It may be an elective now but not for long. Then what seperates us from those we claim to free from religious rule?
 
LovingTongue said:
I'm sure there are Rabbi's and clerics clamoring for representation in high school in Texas, but they won't be allowed to teach elective classes. They're not politically correct.

And yes, I can see the future with regards to this. If you wish to make a wager I've got the money. I bet public schools will be heavily lobbied to make these religion classes mandatory within the next TWO years, and they may or may not succeed, but they will be hard pressed. And I also bet that there won't be any elective classes for Islam or Judaism, etc., in the next FIVE years, without some major high-profile protests.

Do you care to put a dead Franklin where your mouth is and bet against my ability to predict the future of this affair? If so, then you know what my Yahoo! IM is. Let's set it up.

Islam will be taught, as a course in terrorism and terrorists effect on society
 
is it being taught as mostly a history book or as a relgious text?
 
marshalt said:
There is nothing wrong at all with a study of religion, as long as it's purely acedemic and not required. But when the homework changes from reading Luke to saying ten "our father's," then it's time to worry.
But is it wrong to offer only one religion? Imagine the influence this may have on the children of these students there are long term implications to this. While at the same time, they are trying to purge Darwinism from education and teach abstinence only in sex ed classes.
 
~hellbaby~ said:
But is it wrong to offer only one religion? Imagine the influence this may have on the children of these students there are long term implications to this. While at the same time, they are trying to purge Darwinism from education and teach abstinence only in sex ed classes.

What do I look like, a fricking school planning guy?

My school offered geometry, but not non-euclidian geometry. We had English Lit, but not Chinese Lit. Who knows? I took a religious ed class in college and it didn't fuck me up.
 
LovingTongue said:
It won't be an elective class for long.
And where are the elective classes for the Quran, the Torah, the Vedas, etc?



Oh yeah, I forgot, Christianity is now the only state-sponsorable religion! :nana:


I don't know about other schools but my freshman year they started a club called "Muslim Awareness" and then soon other religions got their own club. Last year they made a class for each of these "Awareness" clubs during your split period. They don't all have teachers obviously but they do have monitors and the kids discuss things about their religion.

I really don't see the problem with a "Bible class" as long as it is an elective only. They have evolution classes so why can't they have God classes?
 
hydrex said:
is it being taught as mostly a history book or as a relgious text?

Perhaps as Literature. My daughter took gifted English last year as a sophomore in high school, and had to do for her required summer reading an analysis of the book of Exodus when considered as a narrative.

I was impressed with the curriculum, I don't think taught as such it violated any church/state tenets. I was especially pleased when two...and I hate to use this term but cannot think of any other..."Jesus Freaks" attempted to use the class for religious proselytizing were quickly reined in by the teacher.
 
adajh588 said:
I don't know about other schools but my freshman year they started a club called "Muslim Awareness" and then soon other religions got their own club. Last year they made a class for each of these "Awareness" clubs during your split period. They don't all have teachers obviously but they do have monitors and the kids discuss things about their religion.

I really don't see the problem with a "Bible class" as long as it is an elective only. They have evolution classes so why can't they have God classes?
If they get their way there will be no more evolution taught, that is one of the other things these people are promoting. They say children taught evolution are being taught lies.
 
Remember, y'all, the Religious Right has been aggressively seeking to take over local school boards and state school boards for the last 10-20 years...and they've been doing a pretty good job in their takeover campaign too. This doesn't have a whole lot to do with President Bush. If someone would look it up, I venture that Phillis Schlafly and her frickin' Eagle Forum ladies have been active longer than he has.

This "council" and their work is an extension to push the Religious Right's agenda. What's funny is that each success for the Religious Right makes them eager to push for more. Usually that is in a further extreme direction.

David Barton would be considered far right of me. He is, however, one of the more brilliant men I've met and someone whom I have a lot of respect. He is reasoned, thoughtful and very very very smart. His passion is history. Because he is pragmatic and not rabib in pushing the extreme position in the Texas Republican Party, the more extreme Religious Right mounted a campaign to oust him last year. Understand that when Barton was installed in his position a few years earlier, he would have been THE Religious Right candidate, but now he's not "right" enough.

What I'm trying to say is that whatever battles they win, it's never enough. They will keep pushing further and further until and unless people stand up collectively and say "enough."

What sounds reasonable in the beginning is the crack in the door to bigger things and pretty soon people are wondering how did we get here? This class is an elective today and making the news. So what? Only the kids who WANT to take the class take it. Then next year perhaps changes are made in the curriculum, but would cares? Who notices? The only people who'll know about it are the school board approving it and the teachers preparing the syllabus. Who's watching all this?

Odessa is a very conservative area. Very much "in the box" and "toe the line." I'd be curious to see how a teacher will teach this class without interjecting his or her own philosophy and prejudices into it.
 
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